BoydCrowder13 said:
I love the actors chiming in. As you get older, you realize how little these people understand about economics, politics or anything outside of a script.
amercer said:
I think the ones chiming in realize that they are 90% of the reason that the whole industry exists. Good for them standing up to try to get something for all the other folk.
Also this is a multi trillion dollar industry, where people are arguing about how the profits should be split. Just because you have some opinion on that doesn't mean that the people actually working in that industry are bad at economics….
BoydCrowder13 said:
I love the actors chiming in. As you get older, you realize how little these people understand about economics, politics or anything outside of a script.
Again, most normal Americans can't either. Or Congress.Quote:
The majority of these people couldn't balance a checkboo
BoydCrowder13 said:amercer said:
I think the ones chiming in realize that they are 90% of the reason that the whole industry exists. Good for them standing up to try to get something for all the other folk.
Also this is a multi trillion dollar industry, where people are arguing about how the profits should be split. Just because you have some opinion on that doesn't mean that the people actually working in that industry are bad at economics….
The arguments they throw out are so poorly reasoned it is difficult to take them seriously.
You've got people like Ron Pearlman threatened to go burn down people's homes.
The majority of these people couldn't balance a checkbook.
Quad Dog said:Again, most normal Americans can't either. Or Congress.Quote:
The majority of these people couldn't balance a checkboo
BoydCrowder13 said:Quad Dog said:Again, most normal Americans can't either. Or Congress.Quote:
The majority of these people couldn't balance a checkboo
The majority of Americans don't hold themselves out as enlightened masters of policy.
AustinAg2K said:
Can someone explain why the actors and writers are all on strike from all the studios at the same time? It seems to me that they would negotiate with each studio separately. If they are negotiating with all the studios, isn't that collusion and a violation of anti trust laws? Does the union not negotiate with each studio separately?
Maybe it's because I've never worked in a industry with unions, but it seems to me that if Paramount is giving crappy deals, the actors and writers can say f'em and go over to Universal.
Sales. Sales peeps and awards shows are wild, lol. It's a giant circle jerk.AustinAg2K said:
Is there another industry where everyone gets together multiple times a year to tell each other how great they are? Like is there a plumber's award show where everyone tells Raul how amazing he is at sweating copper pipes, and then Raul gets up and tells everyone they need to stop destroying the rainforests?
Iowaggie said:AustinAg2K said:
Can someone explain why the actors and writers are all on strike from all the studios at the same time? It seems to me that they would negotiate with each studio separately. If they are negotiating with all the studios, isn't that collusion and a violation of anti trust laws? Does the union not negotiate with each studio separately?
Maybe it's because I've never worked in a industry with unions, but it seems to me that if Paramount is giving crappy deals, the actors and writers can say f'em and go over to Universal.
The National Labor Relation Acts (?) allow employees to form a union to collectively bargain for the basic baseline rights and allows the union officials on behalf of the collective union. Like the commissioner and NBA represents all the individual teams in the negotiations with NBAPA and the officials association,AMPTP is the entertainment industry's official collective bargaining representative, negotiating 58 industry-wide collective bargaining agreements on behalf of hundreds of motion picture and television producers.
All the studios have to meet those minimum work conditions, but Paramount is allowed to exceed the benefits set out in negotiations, just like all NBA teams can negotiate individual contracts with players, they all have to be within the scope of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
In 1995, Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing and others threatened to decertify the NBAPA; and in 2011 Brady, Brees, Peyton Manning and others thread to decertify the NFLPA so that the NFL/NBA would then be in jeopardy of violating the Sherman Antitrust Act with collusion since there no longer was a players association.
***Anyone who corrects something I've written is probably more correct***
That’s my fuckin guy right there pic.twitter.com/ILwEl1oRck
— kylie sparks, SAG strike captain edition😤🖤🥂 (@kyliesparks) July 14, 2023
Until that industry complains loudly enough to the Federal government that they're deemed worth 'saving' and are handed billions of our dollars to stay afloat. Welcome to the United States, the land of capitalism until it stubs the toe of someone important enough.The Unforgiven said:
So if mini rooms will lead to a crappy product, then the studios will make less money, then shareholders will not be happy. Then new management is brought it to turn it around, which might realize that mini rooms only produce crap. Sometimes you have to allow a company to make bad decisions. If they are bad enough to fall, that is the executives fault. Maybe it allows something better to be built to replace the current setup.
However, if they go with mini rooms and the product stays the same or gets better, the studios are geniuses.
If the WAG and SAG would come out and condemn every writer and creative person involved in Netflix's The Witcher, than I'll completely support the WAG and SAG 100%. Those people should be relegated to creating instruction manuals and elementary school plays. They failed creative writing 101. Henry Cavill was the best person in that production, and he was smart enough to get the hell out. They had the easiest jobs in the world. AI could have come up a better story. It would just follow the books and video games. AI probably could have come up with a better story for the final seasons of GOT.
When *Wall Street* is on the side of labor you are on 'fuck around street' turning the corner on 'find out avenue.' https://t.co/jjDx7esTBi
— Christopher Woo (@chrisdwoo) July 14, 2023
LOLAustinAg2K said:
Is there another industry where everyone gets together multiple times a year to tell each other how great they are? Like is there a plumber's award show where everyone tells Raul how amazing he is at sweating copper pipes, and then Raul gets up and tells everyone they need to stop destroying the rainforests?
Note to self, the Heisman trophy award and all other sports award ceremonies are nothing but leftist crap.LMCane said:LOLAustinAg2K said:
Is there another industry where everyone gets together multiple times a year to tell each other how great they are? Like is there a plumber's award show where everyone tells Raul how amazing he is at sweating copper pipes, and then Raul gets up and tells everyone they need to stop destroying the rainforests?
there are teachers awards events
i think the advertisers have some annual awards program- at least they did on "Mad Men" back in the 1960s
Peabody awards for journalists and the White House Correspondents dinner
thread of all that - is leftists getting together to congratulate each other on how amazing they are.
BoydCrowder13 said:amercer said:
I think the ones chiming in realize that they are 90% of the reason that the whole industry exists. Good for them standing up to try to get something for all the other folk.
Also this is a multi trillion dollar industry, where people are arguing about how the profits should be split. Just because you have some opinion on that doesn't mean that the people actually working in that industry are bad at economics….
The arguments they throw out are so poorly reasoned it is difficult to take them seriously.
You've got people like Ron Pearlman threatened to go burn down people's homes.
The majority of these people couldn't balance a checkbook.
LMCane said:LOLAustinAg2K said:
Is there another industry where everyone gets together multiple times a year to tell each other how great they are? Like is there a plumber's award show where everyone tells Raul how amazing he is at sweating copper pipes, and then Raul gets up and tells everyone they need to stop destroying the rainforests?
there are teachers awards events
i think the advertisers have some annual awards program- at least they did on "Mad Men" back in the 1960s
Peabody awards for journalists and the White House Correspondents dinner
thread of all that - is leftists getting together to congratulate each other on how amazing they are.
aTmAg said:
Don't sign a contract that allows them using likeness. Seems like it shouldn't be that complicated.
Life is far too short to discuss Fran being a "victim" on the internet.TCTTS said:When *Wall Street* is on the side of labor you are on 'fuck around street' turning the corner on 'find out avenue.' https://t.co/jjDx7esTBi
— Christopher Woo (@chrisdwoo) July 14, 2023
Madmarttigan said:
For the size of some of these companies these salaries don't seem that crazy.
Why is no one going after the actors making a 30-100 million for a movie?
The Unforgiven said:
I once saw that Harrison Ford got paid $20 million for 40 days of actual work. It was for some romance story. Not some big time action, drama, or mystery. I don't remember the name of it, but it was definitely not one of his top 10, maybe not even top 20. However, he was paid $500k a day. That is more than these CEO's. Which is a more stressful, complex, a lot more risky than just some romance story for the ladies to eat up. That is more than LeBron, and he is expected to work his ass off during the offseason and put his body at risk. It is a year round job. 40 freaking days. If the movie bombs, Ford still gets paid his $20 million. Does he really care if the studio is successful in a whole. Does he really care that everyone that works for these studios get paid more.
I don't fault him trying to get paid as much as he should. He should. However, don't say CEO pay is the problem, when the salaries of the big stars also leave less money for the crew, writers, lesser known actors. Just think how much more the crew and writers could be paid if he only asked for $19 million, and say use the other $1 million for others lesser than him.
Do big time actors and directors go out of their way to reward the crew and writers? Like how a pro QB or running back would buy all of their O-Line Rolex watches. Or take them all out for a big expensive dinner or throw a big party for them at their mansion? Or do they just expect all that to be paid by the studio? Is it truly a caste system, not like a team trying to reach the same goal?
uujm said:The Unforgiven said:
I once saw that Harrison Ford got paid $20 million for 40 days of actual work. It was for some romance story. Not some big time action, drama, or mystery. I don't remember the name of it, but it was definitely not one of his top 10, maybe not even top 20. However, he was paid $500k a day. That is more than these CEO's. Which is a more stressful, complex, a lot more risky than just some romance story for the ladies to eat up. That is more than LeBron, and he is expected to work his ass off during the offseason and put his body at risk. It is a year round job. 40 freaking days. If the movie bombs, Ford still gets paid his $20 million. Does he really care if the studio is successful in a whole. Does he really care that everyone that works for these studios get paid more.
I don't fault him trying to get paid as much as he should. He should. However, don't say CEO pay is the problem, when the salaries of the big stars also leave less money for the crew, writers, lesser known actors. Just think how much more the crew and writers could be paid if he only asked for $19 million, and say use the other $1 million for others lesser than him.
Do big time actors and directors go out of their way to reward the crew and writers? Like how a pro QB or running back would buy all of their O-Line Rolex watches. Or take them all out for a big expensive dinner or throw a big party for them at their mansion? Or do they just expect all that to be paid by the studio? Is it truly a caste system, not like a team trying to reach the same goal?
I paid Bruce Willis $1.2 million per day.
There are some actors who do cool gifts but for the most part is is a bottle of booze or something like that. Keanu Reeves and Adam Sandler are pretty notorious for that but it's not like crafty labor is driving off in free cars from those shows.
