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BenFiasco14 said:

This thread has got me nervous as hell. First freeze for this first time homeowner. Just assuming everything will break and I'll freeze to death once I get through all my firewood and furniture.

Just keep house warm, drip faucets on exterior walls, and for exterior faucets my new favorite method is the Freeze Miser (vs faucet cover which cost me 2 exterior faucets in the past).

Pool is always my anxiety point...feels like one thing can domino to a large expense...i do over analyze but that is just how God mad me but does allow me to be good at what I do for a living...



https://www.homedepot.com/p/Outdoor-Faucet-Freeze-Protector-6000-01/320865205
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Yeah, we have a pool. I was told to keep the pool pump running throughout the freeze, which has been fine for the one off, but we live in a rural area and the power is pretty iffy. I can almost guarantee it's going to go out.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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What is your experience with Freeze Miser? I have been skeptical.
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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

What is your experience with Freeze Miser? I have been skeptical.
So far it has worked.

We have one faucet in particular that is north facing on a garage wall with i am pretty sure no insulation. 2021 freeze it froze w/ cover / towels, etc. Had to replace. Then, another freeze i just got lucky and it froze but not much and eventually water came out but likely was on the edge.

Since using Miser, no issues at all.

The one "problem" with them so far is they do drip. I put an HD bucket under each and dump them 2 or so times a day. This avoids having a hockey rink around the faucet.

Could it fail? Maybe. I guess nothing is perfect but this has worked for the last 2 hard freezes w/ no issues so I plan to keep rolling the dice. Saw some pretty convincing videos of people using them up north that made me figure it was worth a try....
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BenFiasco14 said:

Yeah, we have a pool. I was told to keep the pool pump running throughout the freeze, which has been fine for the one off, but we live in a rural area and the power is pretty iffy. I can almost guarantee it's going to go out.

I plan to drain. Probably Saturday. I just hate that it will be off for probably 1 week and will likely form ice but dealing w/ ice is not as bad as the opposite of dealing w/ damaged equipment.

If i had a newer, variable speed pump + generator....i would run 24/7 but i would constantly be wondering "is my pump still going" and turning it off I dont have to think about it.
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I have decided to hold off draining until Saturday. Heater got pool water from 48 up to 60. It'll be interesting to see how much it cools overnight.
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Absolute said:

FTAG 2000 said:

Really hope Ercot has their crap together.



Great. What are the chances they have actually done anything more than lipservice?


Nothing down for maintenance. And it will be windy with this coming in so the windmills won't get iced right away.

Still we've added a million people to the state since 2021 and the models take the cold all the way to the coast and keep it there until Wednesday. Not the best trend.
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Well my clinic are all in on no precipitation coming. Idiots
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wangus12 said:

Well my clinic are all in on no precipitation coming. Idiots


Weather service has upgraded the chances and it looks like all the models are now suggesting precip with them bringing the precipitation down farther from the Red River

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Sunday
Partly sunny in the morning, then mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of freezing rain and snow in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Much cooler with highs in the upper 20s. Wind chill values as low as 5 above in the morning.

Sunday Night
Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of freezing rain. Cold with lows around 10 above. Wind chill values as low as zero.

Martin Luther King Jr Day
Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of freezing rain and snow in the morning, then partly sunny in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs in the mid 20s. Wind chill values as low as 5 below in the morning.

Monday Night
Partly cloudy. Cold with lows around 10 above. Wind chill values as low as 5 below.

Tuesday
Sunny. Highs around 30. Wind chill values as low as 10 below in the morning.

Tuesday Night
Mostly clear. Cold with lows around 20.

Wednesday
Sunny. Not as cool with highs in the upper 40s. Wind chill values as low as 10 above in the morning.

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BenFiasco14 said:

This thread has got me nervous as hell. First freeze for this first time homeowner. Just assuming everything will break and I'll freeze to death once I get through all my firewood and furniture.
Imagine your wife 38 weeks into a pregnancy when the freeze hits. Talk about nervous...
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I was induced the week of the big freeze of 2021. The night before, we had no power in our house (like everyone else) and it was freezing and miserable and I was 41 weeks pregnant. Being in the hospital was a relief but while we were there a pipe burst in our wall at home and flooded our entire first floor. So my husband had to leave us in the hospital and go home to clean and dry everything. And when we came home we had no water. With a newborn. Then several months later we had to have all the first floor drywall and insulation up to 18" high up removed, while letting everything behind it dry out with huge loud industrial fans. Then it all had to be replaced and repainted. This basically rendered our first floor unusable (kitchen, living room, laundry) for weeks while we were trying to get used to parenting. It was horrible. 0/10 would not recommend, I hope your wife holds on a little longer!
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All sarcasm aside., Try not to stress too much. The biggest variable is the power grid. 2021 has everyone nervous. If that happens again pretty much all leadership heads should roll and indemnity be damned people should lose their ill begotten fortunes and rot in jail. But that is different thread. Let's hope that the infrastructure and power grid holds on.

If so, you don't really have that much to worry about. I am not a weather expert like FTAG, but I know a lot about houses as a homeowner, professional inspector and contractor. While there can be problems, your house - and you - will be fine most likely. This will just be a long week of going stir crazy with kiddos and deciding Dryuary wasn't meant for ice storms....

Thought I would post some house specific thoughts/opinions on things to do that may be helpful to some. Keep in mind there can be differences in older houses and newer houses. Each really has it's own set of potential issues. Even though our houses aren't really made for artic temps, you should be able to get through a week or so without major issues - again as long as the stupid grid holds.

Pools: These have been discussed a lot here. According to my go to pool expert, the best option is to run the pump(s). For various reasons, people have valid personal concerns about this idea. According to my expert, draining is perfectly fine too, just make sure you do it correctly. Personally, I replaced the ancient pump on my older pool when I bought in 2020. Totally worth it both on some minor cost savings through the year and for not really having to worry about it if it has to run midspeed for a week. I will cover the equipment and have the necessary tools available to drain it if something goes dramatically wrong. For my simple system it should be a 5 minute job. Others have also put good suggests up here. I particularly liked the water/salt filled plastic jug in the skimmer, as those are vulnerable.

Exterior faucets: about the only benefit of the covers is that they make you disconnect hoses. Leaving a hose connected makes a broken pipe a pretty high risk. The covers are not going to keep the faucet from freezing though - no matter how you wrap or stuff them. Only a heat source could do that. I too have heard decent things about the freeze miser and am going to try a couple this year, though my set up is not ideal for them. I think they are probably a great idea for most houses with frost proof wall faucets.

Dripping interior faucets: To me this is a bit misunderstood by a lot of people. By drip, I mean like a cocktail straw wide stream. Drip HOT AND COLD. Drip any fixture on an outside wall. Drip the kitchen on an outside wall and/or an island. Open the cabinet doors so you get some airflow. Knew someone whose drain pipe on an outside sink actual froze in 2021 and would have caused a flood. But again, wouldn't have been an issue with power. Drip something on the second floor, even if it is not on an exterior wall, as the main line going up there may be in an outside wall and could freeze

Realize there will probably be some lines you might need to drip and cannot - icemakers, refrigerators, washer. Do your best. Maybe have and use some little safe fan heaters. You don't need jet engine heat, just something. If your home is newer and you have PEX, you are better off as it will expand before breaking. Be observant and watch things. But if something freezes, don't freak. There is a decent chance it will thaw out without a problem. I have always been told and practiced when it happened to me - if it freezes open the faucet on that line and pray and watch it closely as thing thaw out.

In the end, it is better to waste some water and keep things unfrozen.

Couple newer home specific things I see a lot.

Tankless water heaters: These can be found in the attic, garage and on the exterior wall. All three places have potential issues. Since the tankless unit is not sitting there with 50 gallons of hot water providing a heat sink, they can and will freeze up in all 3 locations. Surprisingly, I have heard the least amount of problems with these in the attic. Garage locations are usually on or close to an exterior wall and can freeze. Most units have a flow sensor so you can drip without it running 24/7. That should be enough, but I would have a little fan heater on hand to put out with it and warm that area a little just in case.

The exterior located ones. Yes, this is Texas, but putting them outside is pretty stupid to me. It was suggested to me from someone from Alaska to put a shoplight with an incandescent bulb or a string of incandescent Christmas light in the lower part of the cabinet with the plumbing under the cover. Little late, but if you have this setup at your house, I would make a HD run to try and get something to accomplish this. Have seen all kinds of elaborate setups to try and accomplish this after the fact - heaters, ladders, blankets. Don't be that person. Try to get ahead of it.

Switch operated (usually glass fronted) gas log fireplaces. No these don't put out a huge amount of heat. But in the worst case situation they do make some. A lot of people do not know that there is a battery backup built in on most of these to allow them to be turned on without electricity as long as the gas is still working. IT will be under the front cover at the bottom where the control valve is located. Most seem to be 4 AA batteries, though I think I have seen some that take C. Worth checking and having it set up if you have this type of system.

As someone else said, don't let your house get too cold while trying to be a good citizen. Be observant. Remember, any area in the house that is enclosed and on an outside wall, will start to drop to the outside temperature. Insulation, assuming they installed it at all an correctly, only slows the transfer of heat, it does not stop it. Some things like closets you can open. Others like under the master tub, you probably can't.

If anyone has a specific question, feel free. Will try to answer.
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Great post Absolute, thanks for sharing.

On the tankless, ours is on an outside wall. We used to do the incandescent bulb thing.

I got some of that heat cable stuff they have at Home Depot and Lowes and snaked it around the enclosure for this time. It worked well for me last year on my pool equipment - we had ice forming inside the check valve even with the water running.

Ran that heat cable all along the piping where water was flowing, and it melted the ice ball in the check valve and I saw no more ice. So I feel the cable stuff is tested and worked based on that experience.


Saw someone posted the latest forecast from the NWS. NWS Ft Worth upped precip chances to 50% for Sunday, but is talking freezing rain. The way the models continue to bring the cold south, and sooner (think noon Saturday now), it's more likely we catch a brief freezing rain before everything starts falling as the fluffy white stuff on Sunday.



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I agree, the heat strips made for the purpose are a better option. Might be hard to find last minute. Have started telling people in my inspection reports to buy something for this purpose planning ahead. Doubt most do, until after a problem. I probably wouldn't.


Another very simple thing on those outside units. Make sure the penetrations in the bottom of the cabinet - the ones all the pipe and wires go through, are sealed up with silicone. Doesn't have to be pretty. But it makes the cabinet work as a pan and helps keep the water outside in the event something does leak. A $5 tube of silicone can save a 5 to 10 thousand dollar deductible.
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DFW:
Low Temperature Monday Jan 15...Forecast is 12 degrees, Record is
11 degrees in 1905.

Lowest High Temperature Monday Jan 15...
Forecast is 26 degrees, Record is 31 degrees in 1917.

Low Temperature Tuesday Jan 16...Forecast is 11 degrees, Record
is 11 degrees in 1930.

Lowest High Temperature Tuesday Jan 16...
Forecast is 30 degrees, Record is 26 degrees in 1953.
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You mentioned dripping island. If all sinks in kitchen are inside the house do you still recommend? I have a sink in island + in countertop. Both are within house walls by 8+ feet.
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More of a newer house, if I remember your correctly, with pex plumbing thing. Since the PEX is run through the attics now, they run it down a wall, under the concrete to the island. Often they use the exterior wall. That pipe tends to freeze going over the top sill from the attic into the wall. But people don't think of it as being potentially an issue.

Older houses with copper pipe run in the slab, the island would probably not be a concern.

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Mine is a 1991 house with copper piping still…so maybe I am ok.
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Great post.

For the gas fireplace, you can keep a box of batteries in the same place as the backup system since it's insulated. Don't keep batteries in the device until you need them because they'll corrode if left on there.

Other than that you covered pretty much everything I'll be doing.
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Absolute said:

More of a newer house, if I remember your correctly, with pex plumbing thing. Since the PEX is run through the attics now, they run it down a wall, under the concrete to the island. Often they use the exterior wall. That pipe tends to freeze going over the top sill from the attic into the wall. But people don't think of it as being potentially an issue.

Older houses with copper pipe run in the slab, the island would probably not be a concern.



This exact thing happened to my kitchen everytime it froze. Water would trickle out as the pipe was 90% froze as it ran down yhe exterior wall then to the kitchen.
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The last model run has lower temps, sub-freezing front arrival now around noon Saturday, and roughly 24 hours of precipitation falling from early afternoon Sunday to around noon Monday.

Gonna be cold tomorrow with tonight's front rolling in, but it's your last day to really prep boys and girls.
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Recs on the touch kitchen faucet. I don't want to disable it for fear of not being able to get it to work again. So would you recommend just a space heater pointing it towards the open cabinet doors,?
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What are the most accurate model runs looking at the storm 2k thread there is a NAM model and an RGEM model that show different things it seems
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Tornado watch just issued for northeast Texas. While dfw metro isn't in this, folks should keep an eye on this front coming in overnight.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0009.html
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I hear people say drip faucets. I dont do that. I wake up every 4 hours and run hot and cold for thirty seconds. Every faucet, shower, flush toilets. I also run dishwasher at 3 am.

Only do this when it gets below 20. Above 20-32 I do this at 10 pm and then at 6 am. So far it's worked out.

My philosophy is take the pressure off. Don't worry about how cold things get.
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zag213004 said:

What are the most accurate model runs looking at the storm 2k thread there is a NAM model and an RGEM model that show different things it seems


NAM is pretty solid inside of 48 hours.

The RGEM is Canadian. It's solid inside of 72 hours but does better with northern US and Canada. I wouldn't look at it too much for Texas modeling.
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I did a similar thing in 2021. Every 2 to 3 hours I ran a stream of water in all sinks, showers, tubs, refrigerator, etc. Did not run the dishwasher or washing machine due to power constraints.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Tornado watch just issued for northeast Texas. While dfw metro isn't in this, folks should keep an eye on this front coming in overnight.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0009.html
Lot of thunder and lightning in NE McKinney right now. Weather and radar show nothing
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Looks like a solid line of thunderstorms has developed and is about to hit richardson/ dallas.
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Hail in Lakewood.
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That was ferocious. Had to go check the car. Luckily no damage.
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31 mph measured wind gusts in Arlington. 29 degrees right now
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Forecast low for Prosper was 34 today. Sitting at 28.

Temps coming in colder than forecast. Don't ignore that signal folks.
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This has a feeling of it's going to be worse than predicted....
 
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