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A whole lot of those "dead" are likely wounded. Excepted the head shots of course. I'm just impressed at how fast those cops can run.

Curious to see how they handle it. IRL, RM and probably CF would lose their badges and might even face criminal charges.

It was very interesting how oddly Chief Sweethair, LT Dbag and the Mayor were acting before the raid. Almost like they knew something. Guess we'll see. And props to the Mayor for the Hill Street Blues line.

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One of the three also shot a civilian when he popped up close to where one of the suspects was hiding behind a car.

I'm thinking the higher ups in Vinci push to call the Caspere case "solved" and closed and the series takes a fast forward. In the next episode preview they show Bezzerides in a standard police uniform, safe to assume she is demoted to a desk job or working as a beat cop. I imagine a significant amount of time has to pass for them to do a full investigation of the shootout before any of the cops return to work.

I think Vince Vaughn's character uncovers something that tips him off to the Vinci Mayor and crew being in on Caspere's death, and he's going to go after them for cost him so much money.

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RM actually said that the bosses wanted to go in now, not wait.

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• Why were they going after the guys in the gunfight anyways? I know it had something to do with pawning someone's watch off...Caspere's?
• Was Bezerrides suspended just from her duties in Ventura or from the Vinci investigation as well?

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RM actually said that the bosses wanted to go in now, not wait.

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Rewatching now (thanks HBOGo).

Squad room, she says "we don't want to lose him"
On the street, old detective says "we can wait", she says "bosses say take him".

RM seems to be operating pretty autonomously. Yeah, she has to report in, but she was JUST TOLD by her boss that she's on leave from her home department. Who are "the bosses"? She tried to see the black lady (state prosecutor???) and couldn't.

I think it was all her.

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A couple plot points I don't quite understand.

• Why were they going after the guys in the gunfight anyways? I know it had something to do with pawning someone's watch off...Caspere's?
• Was Bezerrides suspended just from her duties in Ventura or from the Vinci investigation as well?

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Maybe she just got those looks from guys she wouldn't have sex with...

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One of the three also shot a civilian when he popped up close to where one of the suspects was hiding behind a car.

I'm thinking the higher ups in Vinci push to call the Caspere case "solved" and closed and the series takes a fast forward. In the next episode preview they show Bezzerides in a standard police uniform, safe to assume she is demoted to a desk job or working as a beat cop. I imagine a significant amount of time has to pass for them to do a full investigation of the shootout before any of the cops return to work.

I think Vince Vaughn's character uncovers something that tips him off to the Vinci Mayor and crew being in on Caspere's death, and he's going to go after them for cost him so much money.

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I think it's just as likely that the officers have awards thrown at their faces and told "good job, well done", which would explain the uniform issue. If you want someone to shut up, burying them doesn't work as well as promoting them.

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Santa Muerte, the Yellow King and where this may be headed...

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6) There was a huge, 10-minute shootout. It was a fairly impressive shootout, although that explosion looked like the Breaking Bad building explosion made with the budget of Sharknado because, apparently, HBO spent all of its FX budget on "Hardhome."

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But don't think for a second that Ledo Amarilla is solely responsible for the death of Caspere. If you watched scenes from next week (vague spoilers), you'll notice that there's a time jump (Ray no longer has his mustache). It appears that the gang will be back together similar to the way Rust and Marty did in later episodes of season one to figure out who really killed Caspere, which means that basically Ledo Amarilla is season two's Reggie Ledoux, also known as the Yellow King.

Here's a dead giveaway: Amarilla means "yellow" in Spanish.

What we're likely to find in the next episode is that the authorities cleared the Caspere case and pinned it on Ledo Amarilla, but Ani a beat cop now will regroup with Ray (now fighting custody) and Paul (now making a family), and will go rogue. They'll start investigating Mayor McCheese, as well as his connections to Ani's father and the Rick Springfield shrink, until they drill down into the conspiracy behind the death of Caspere and its possible connections to Santa Meurte. It's fairly obvious that Mayor McCheese is behind the shootout because of the ominous "Let's be careful out there" warning, but he only really wanted to get Ani and maybe Ray killed (which is why his henchman wondered if Ani "needed all this manpower.") I'm fairly certain that Ray's partner also knew what was coming, too, which is why he'd hoped that they'd wait for Ledo Amarilla to come out instead of going in after him (a decision that cost him his life).

The show may be moving slowly, and some of the character developments may be on the lame side, but the murder mystery is growing increasingly interesting.

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One of the three also shot a civilian when he popped up close to where one of the suspects was hiding behind a car.

I'm thinking the higher ups in Vinci push to call the Caspere case "solved" and closed and the series takes a fast forward. In the next episode preview they show Bezzerides in a standard police uniform, safe to assume she is demoted to a desk job or working as a beat cop. I imagine a significant amount of time has to pass for them to do a full investigation of the shootout before any of the cops return to work.

I think Vince Vaughn's character uncovers something that tips him off to the Vinci Mayor and crew being in on Caspere's death, and he's going to go after them for cost him so much money.

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I think it's just as likely that the officers have awards thrown at their faces and told "good job, well done", which would explain the uniform issue. If you want someone to shut up, burying them doesn't work as well as promoting them.

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What are they trying to shut them up about at this point? I think Bezzerides has an idea that something fishy is up and is on to the mayor, but she doesn't have enough to act on at this point. Velcoro has to know something is up because the mayor and crew told him they wanted this closed fast; he just doesn't really give a crap.

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I'm really excited about next week. I feel like we're halfway through the series and they haven't really made any ground into digging into what REALLY is going on. Maybe last season took this many episodes as well. I agree that the outcome of the shootout is the case will just be closed and then we'll jump forward into the Strike Team digging into it months or years down the line.

Pissed that I'm gonna have to wait two weeks to watch it. I watched 3 & 4 last night. Loved seeing VV get back to his thug roots as he wasn't left with any other options.

"Don't worry about taking your rings off..."

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Because I'll be on vacation.

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