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This season needs to pick up big time. another episode like last night I may not set aside the time for it.

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Is it really that different than last season? This show has always been a slow burn detective story.

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I don't think so, but they got away with it because of the acting of MM and WH. This story and setting aren't nearly as interesting as the first season was and because of that this one feels much slower, at least for me.

I'm interested in the all the characters but not nearly as much as I was the first season. I'll keep watching but so far it's pretty meh.

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I agree that I *thought* the story and setting in S1 had a lot more intrigue - but ultimately the way it played out it was mostly a red herring (or just a plain vanilla story that you kept expecting would be more than that).

I guess I came away from S1 impressed with the acting but not really feeling all that fulfilled from an intriguing mystery standpoint.. Who is the Yellow King? Who all is involved? How high up the political ladder does it go?

And then... Just some weirdo, the rest was swept aside.

At least so far through S2 I feel like there's an actual LA-Confidential-esque mystery and you're not sure who might be involved.

It's just different. Last season you were so fixated on Marty and Rust and what their involvement was(because at this time last year we were all so certain one or both were involved....ha...)

This season, it's CF driving the show, but it's the story that is the main character for me.

I love TD season 1. I have said before that it may be the greatest single season in TV history. That being said, I am all in on season 2. I am fascinated with Vinci Police chief/Mayor/corruption on that end, and I'm liking that VV is now going into more desperation mode with his business.

No complaints from me. It's different in setting, story, and "feel," but I love it so far.

Exactly. Much of what people think they are "missing" this season is just the fact that they had nothing to compare last season to, and now they do.

Different story, different characters, different season. Let this one stand alone as well and it's very entertaining and well done.

I'm loving it so far...I don't know how you can say last night was boring, so many things happened. I think the pacing has been fine, and I'm definitely enjoying the acting (even VV who people love to hate on). I thought the scene between Frank and Ray at the bar was great, you could feel the tension & awkwardness. "Booze tends to take the edge off, I want to stay angry"...

And even though a lot happened last night, I still have no idea who the killer is or what his motive is. He's definitely f**ing with the cops & Frank, but I have no idea why. If he has Frank's 5MM, why is he still burning peoples eyes out with acid? Also, someone mentioned it earlier, but are we sure the guy following Woodrough is a Vinci cop (is it the fat drunk guy)?

They were the gold eff you teeth.

I can say that I have had my share of drone/helicopter shots of the California highway system, and I'm pretty confident I don't need to see anymore.

It's like watching someone's first ever PowerPoint presentation, and they're obsessed with the star wipe so it's on every slide.

Dustin Rowles annoys the **** out of me. I used to semi-enjoy reading his stuff, until I realized that all he does it read the reviews of some of the top bloggers out there, then rips their info and insight and puts his own opinion on it.

That review read like an incoherent child not getting what he wants. He picked apart "things" he hated about the episode that were harmless and that someone could do in every single episode(including s1). While some of his beefs are completely understandable, much of that review was garbage. He is falling prey to comparing it to season 1. That's on him.

I chose not to, and I'm enjoying the season. It's not perfect by any means, but not near what he's rambling about on that "review" either.

Well, Marty and Rust also had the luxury of having had it already all happen in the past, and they were just recounting the story to CID. That effect alone gives off such a different vibe for when they show the investigation, because you already have some sense of what happens in the end(both lived).

The structure is different. Having interview sessions that are vague, that then get to flash back and show you the investigation is a nice crutch to have. This season doesn't have it. Again, it's a different feel. Embrace it, and people will enjoy it more.

Some of you guys are harsh critics. Man.

If this show doesn't have you intrigued by now, I don't know what to say. There are so many interesting angles that have yet to be unfolded.

Did I hear right yesterday that CF's dad and the current Vinci mayor were cops together?

And what exactly is the role of the Russians? Were they putting up some cash as part of VV's $5mm stack? Or is their involvement in addition to?

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I started thinking how would it play out if Woody and MM had been cast in the VV and CF roles respectively, and VV had been Woodys character and CF was Rust.
Prob S1 would have lost something but S2 would have gained.

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You, me, and the rest of america would have creamed over ourselves in season 1 just the same, and had complaints in season 2. While MM and WH were a stronger team so far that VV/CF or the crew of 4 this year, I really think some are discounting that the style of how the last season was brought to the screen is what helped shape why we thought it was so epic and amazing.

You had CID doing interviews of two detectives who handled one of the most ****ed up cases in Louisiana history. So the investigation and case already happened, it was in the past. You get this super weird vibe from a mentally on the edge MM, but you also have the luxury of knowing both he and WH survived the investigation, and whatever it was, they closed it. Naturally you're curious, so the flash backs of the investigation and everything are basically free-range to just try and analyze everything that happened and figure it out. The safety net of knowing the detectives live help alleviate some stress that comes from watching shows like that. It's a subconscious crutch that lets your mind focus on the fun stuff in the episodes.

This season doesn't have that luxury. We're watching it unfold in front of us, on all fronts, and we have no idea who will live or die, and who is even behind it all. You feel about as unsure as CF or RM are trying to work the case.

Sure, they could have done the same style of having post case interviews and going back, but that was last year. This is this year.

The writing, acting etc was really great last year, but the style in which they shot the season is what made it so amazing. I'm not going to fall into the game of comparisons when season 2 is so clearly different on so many levels. It's a different story with different characters and different region and different problems, and most importantly, it's a different way of telling a story. That's what's bothering many IMO.

Favorite part last night was the mayor ranting and raving about (girl cop) and everyone completely ignoring him.