This is the game I couldn't get tickets to. Driving up to Belfast from Dublin to watch it. Just looking for the right bar still.
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Good luck and have fun!
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When does the team come back from international break?
Which has been worse Liverpool's play or the commentating?jeffk said:
When does the team come back from international break?
All I know from the color Scot is that Trent is terrible and Brighton could have scored 4 goals in the first half.texagbeliever said:Which has been worse Liverpool's play or the commentating?jeffk said:
When does the team come back from international break?
texagbeliever said:Which has been worse Liverpool's play or the commentating?jeffk said:
When does the team come back from international break?
LFC's shambolic defense absolutely.
+1 there. Failed clearance from VVD and Milner is just standing around watching Troussard score his third.
It appears the team did not rediscover itself during the extended break.
Every Milner appearance is good for at least one bad goal. We need guys to get back healthy so he doesn't have to see the field.
When I saw Milner on the side line getting ready to enter the game I wanted to strangle Klopp.jeffk said:
Every Milner appearance is good for at least one bad goal. We need guys to get back healthy so he doesn't have to see the field.
That being said, TAA was the reason we underperformed in this game (again).
Its a real problem...
Yeah, Trent was on the hook for those first two goals for sure. But at least he has a redeeming quality or two (we've had this exact conversation several times this season I think).
I did realize that we get to player Arsenal and City on back to back weekends this month so that should be "fun."
I did realize that we get to player Arsenal and City on back to back weekends this month so that should be "fun."
jeffk said:
Yeah, Trent was on the hook for those first two goals for sure. But at least he has a redeeming quality or two (we've had this exact conversation several times this season I think).
I did realize that we get to player Arsenal and City on back to back weekends this month so that should be "fun."
A few weeks ago I was on the other side of the debate, but I'm starting to lose confidence in that opinion. His F-ups seems to outweigh his positives these days. I don't know how it's possible, but he has totally regressed as a defender. It's like he is an academy player again. I yell "Trent, What are you doing??!!!!" at my TV about 4 or 5 times a game now. I actually think Tsimikas is a better defender now. If anything, they should have yanked TAA for Milner...not that it would have helped.
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Yeah, Trent was on the hook for those first two goals for sure. But at least he has a redeeming quality or two (we've had this exact conversation several times this season I think).
I did realize that we get to player Arsenal and City on back to back weekends this month so that should be "fun."
A few weeks ago I was on the other side of the debate, but I'm starting to lose confidence in that opinion. His F-ups seems to outweigh his positives these days. I don't know how it's possible, but he has totally regressed as a defender. It's like he is an academy player again. I yell "Trent, What are you doing??!!!!" at my TV about 4 or 5 times a game now. I actually think Tsimikas is a better defender now. If anything, they should have yanked TAA for Milner...not that it would have helped.
I've gone back and forth on my thoughts. Initially I thought he needs to do a better job of tracking back but I've heard a number of analysts mention that out pressing isn't the same up front and in the midfield, which means we can be hit on the break easier.
I do think every team we play tries, successfully, to play very direct with counters and Trent us out of position. If Klopp can't fix the press in front of him, then Trent needs to stay home more.
I definitely feel like protecting a lead is not something we do very well with Trent in the game. He seemingly only has one tactical setting. Maybe that's on him, maybe on Klopp, IDK. But whatever it is, it's giving me hearburn.
Also, I'll add that I think we're still pressing at about the same levels up front that we have in the past, but opposing teams are also a lot better at playing around it too. We're at year seven in the system under Klopp and there's a decent number of other teams in the league that run similar high presses, so folks have adjusted to some extent. We're just not going to turn the best teams over nearly as much as we did 3, 4, 5 years ago.
Also, I'll add that I think we're still pressing at about the same levels up front that we have in the past, but opposing teams are also a lot better at playing around it too. We're at year seven in the system under Klopp and there's a decent number of other teams in the league that run similar high presses, so folks have adjusted to some extent. We're just not going to turn the best teams over nearly as much as we did 3, 4, 5 years ago.
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jeffk said:
I definitely feel like protecting a lead is not something we do very well with Trent in the game. He seemingly only has one tactical setting. Maybe that's on him, maybe on Klopp, IDK. But whatever it is, it's giving me hearburn.
Also, I'll add that I think we're still pressing at about the same levels up front that we have in the past, but opposing teams are also a lot better at playing around it too. We're at year seven in the system under Klopp and there's a decent number of other teams in the league that run similar high presses, so folks have adjusted to some extent. We're just not going to turn the best teams over nearly as much as we did 3, 4, 5 years ago.
Great point. It is clear that our pressing strategy is less effective, most likely due to league wide familiarity. Opponents know exactly which spaces to exploit to greatest effect. We need to change or get way more athletic players in the midfield around Fabinho.
OregonAggie said:AG@RICE said:jeffk said:
Yeah, Trent was on the hook for those first two goals for sure. But at least he has a redeeming quality or two (we've had this exact conversation several times this season I think).
I did realize that we get to player Arsenal and City on back to back weekends this month so that should be "fun."
A few weeks ago I was on the other side of the debate, but I'm starting to lose confidence in that opinion. His F-ups seems to outweigh his positives these days. I don't know how it's possible, but he has totally regressed as a defender. It's like he is an academy player again. I yell "Trent, What are you doing??!!!!" at my TV about 4 or 5 times a game now. I actually think Tsimikas is a better defender now. If anything, they should have yanked TAA for Milner...not that it would have helped.
I've gone back and forth on my thoughts. Initially I thought he needs to do a better job of tracking back but I've heard a number of analysts mention that out pressing isn't the same up front and in the midfield, which means we can be hit on the break easier.
I do think every team we play tries, successfully, to play very direct with counters and Trent us out of position. If Klopp can't fix the press in front of him, then Trent needs to stay home more.
I can live when TAA gets beat because of the high pressing. It's a calculated gamble. I can't live with the way he fails to track his man or lackadaisically enters challenges when we are deep defending. He is just a really poor technical defender. The issue has always been present, it's just way worse this year. If this was a fifa video game, it's like he came back this season with a 20 point "awareness" deduction.
Also...
I think all my players have a 20 point awareness deduction when I'm controlling them
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⭐ TEAM NEWS ⭐
— Liverpool FC (@LFC) October 4, 2022
How we line up to face @RangersFC tonight in the #UCL!
I guess Jota is playing in the midfield?
4-2-3-1 maybe??
I'm guessing:
TAA - Matip - VVD - Tsimi
Hendo - Thiago
Salah - Jota - Diaz
Nunez
I'm guessing:
TAA - Matip - VVD - Tsimi
Hendo - Thiago
Salah - Jota - Diaz
Nunez
Trent with a great free kick. 1-0!
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Trent with a great free kick. 1-0!
Lol. Of course.
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I think all my players have a 20 point awareness deduction when I'm controlling them
All of mine have a 20 point stamina deduction because I constantly mash the sprint button.
Geez, I want Bellingham so badly.
Arthur with a quad injury that might require surgery. He'll never play for us.
He hurt it in training?
Ya, possibly out 3-4 months
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FFS this team is a mess at the back.
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