Lindsay Clancy Trial

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WestAustinAg said:



I assume jury deliberations are well known by both sets of attorneys.


I don't think lawyers are supposed to know anything other than deliberations are in progress. The amount of information divulged by a judge can be a problem as witnessed by the unscrupulous Reddington.
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WestAustinAg said:

aggiehawg said:

Mathguy64 said:

aggiehawg said:


When the retrial date is set I'll expect a very targeted gag order imposed by the court.

There won't be a retrial. I can't imagine the DA in Mass wanting to lose this and go through another public **** show. If it was a hung 11-1 for conviction they would have retried it immediately. But not 11-1 to acquit and with the local politics being what they clearly are. I'm not saying those people are right but they are really riled up. And that DA has to get re-elected.

We'll see. MA is very weird state, as we saw with the Karen Read trials, all of them. And there was almost no evidence against her. They even sprung for a highly compensated special counsel fo her retrial.

But while I'm here there is something that has been bothering me since the extended jury deliberations. That is how did Reddington know for certain that the jury was heavily leaning for acquittal to be as adamant as he was during deliberations? Did he have inside information?

I mean there is posturing that is employed by trial attorneys as part of representation but Reddington went far beyond that. You can get a feel from a jury's demeanor of course but can never be sure that you are reading them accurately. But he had no doubt. How?

The one jury trial i served on in Austin (aggravated sexual assault of a minor) had a rapidly changing set of beliefs surrounding the guilt/innocence of the defendant. At first, the female state workers on our jury were confident that the hispanic was innocence. This irritated me and a couple of others. I went from trying to lay low and get through it all to becoming vocal because it was so obvious to me. I started aggressively explaining how he was guilty. We went from something like 10 people who thought he was innocent to 9 thinking he was guilt in 24 hours.

The judge knew what was happening and he told the attorneys for both sides. Because they were hours away from a guilt verdict they bargained with the judge for him to take the verdict away from us, pronounce him guilty and the two sides agreed on a lesser penalty and we came out quickly.

BTW - the prosecution spoke to us after the verdict. He was guilty. He had been abusing the young boy for years (not the single count of SA), defendant was already in jail for other assaults (a fact we were not allowed to know).

I assume jury deliberations are well known by both sets of attorneys.

They are not supposed to be. BUT if the deputies and bailiffs supervising the jury overhear heated loud arguments from the deliberation room, they will tell the judge. Jury can ask questions on the law directed to the Judge, which are then shared with counsel and they are told what the judge's response to those questions will be.

Now, there can be extreme situations wherein a jury gets out of control with one another and the court will step in (sounds a bit like your case) and counsel will be informed by the court of the measures being taken to correct the situation.

Also remember I'm an old timer. When I practiced trial law, the rules were stricter and judges were adamant about controlling their courtrooms and the people, including the attorneys therein. A judge would only admonish you once. The second time was sanctions and possibly cooling your heels in a holding cell if you pissed them off enough. Judges are too lenient now, in my view. And that leniency has led to disastrously out of control and longer trials for high profile cases. Sad what the legal profession has been reduced to.
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FireAg said:

I'm not sure why any of this actually surprises folks…

We live in a society where many people think it's okay to surgically alter the genitalia of a pre-pubescent child…

We live in a society where many people think "follow the science" doesn't mean **** when it comes to XX vs XY…

There is a very sick element in our society, and we are way past due bringing asylums back…




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Well the Bible says if you hurt a child….
WestAustinAg
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Sounds like our judge somehow let the deliberations get to the defense team. They told us the defense team got concerned about where we were headed and started negotiating. This was mid 90's in Austin.
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WestAustinAg said:

Sounds like our judge somehow let the deliberations get to the defense team. They told us the defense team got concerned about where we were headed and started negotiating. This was mid 90's in Austin.

Was practicing in the 90s in Austin, although not so much trial law as real estate related legal matters. It is not unheard of that defense counsel becomes very nervous during deliberations and thinking about an off ramp. But that comes with a risk as the judge may not approve such a late plea deal.

Sounds as if your judge was also looking for an off-ramp. Now that could be for a variety of reasons, possibility of a hung jury mistrial, some reversible error issues on appeal (judges back then did not like to be reversed) or even political issues. It being Austin and the high amount of influence politics play in the criminal justice system under highly partisan DAs like Ronnie <blech> Earle and then Lehmberg.
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And now one in Waxahachie!

Waxahachie mother charged with capital murder for shooting death of 2 sons | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth https://share.google/r42PPAaClVi9J7sbt
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TA-OP said:

FireAg said:

We live in a society where many people think it's okay to surgically alter the genitalia of a pre-pubescent child

I wonder what percentage of conservative men are circumcised.

This can't be real
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MsDoubleD81 said:

And now one in Waxahachie!

Waxahachie mother charged with capital murder for shooting death of 2 sons | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth https://share.google/r42PPAaClVi9J7sbt

This is going to be a thing now. Tik tok has grabbed the minds of the average hausfrau.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

And now one in Waxahachie!

Waxahachie mother charged with capital murder for shooting death of 2 sons | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth https://share.google/r42PPAaClVi9J7sbt

Time for the tik tok ladies to get behind a new child murderer.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

And now one in Waxahachie!

Waxahachie mother charged with capital murder for shooting death of 2 sons | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth https://share.google/r42PPAaClVi9J7sbt

I can't fking hate the women who let Clancy off more.

I hold every one of them responsible (to whatever degree, who cares) for every one of these copycat murders.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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The minute it was clear that there was a movement to express support for Clancy and tie it female independence and strength, it should have been dismantled. The protests should have been shutdown and the news should not have covered them. Maybe now, journalist will fully understand the impact their lies make..though I doubt their pride will allow it.
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WestAustinAg said:



BTW - the prosecution spoke to us after the verdict. He was guilty. He had been abusing the young boy for years (not the single count of SA), defendant was already in jail for other assaults (a fact we were not allowed to know).

I assume jury deliberations are well known by both sets of attorneys.

It was too late for your trial, but there is now a crime called "Continuous Sexual Abuse of a Child that would allow those facts to be known.

And the attorneys are not supposed to be known to the attorneys. They may be told to split, i.e. 7-5 or 10-2, but not which way they are leaning.
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TA-OP said:

FireAg said:

We live in a society where many people think it's okay to surgically alter the genitalia of a pre-pubescent child

I wonder what percentage of conservative men are circumcised.

CDC recommends it, not so much cutting the breasts off of girls
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TA-OP said:

FireAg said:

We live in a society where many people think it's okay to surgically alter the genitalia of a pre-pubescent child

I wonder what percentage of conservative men are circumcised.

That's something you think about?? Ok....Since when is not ok to circumcise?
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Since when was it necessary?
stetson
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Now we're equating circumcision to genital mutilation, breast removal, and hormone blockers??
samurai_science
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Boogie2988Ag said:

TA-OP said:

FireAg said:

We live in a society where many people think it's okay to surgically alter the genitalia of a pre-pubescent child

I wonder what percentage of conservative men are circumcised.

That's something you think about?? Ok....Since when is not ok to circumcise?

Its trying to equate circumcision to cutting off breasts or a *****.
 
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