Lindsay Clancy Trial

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Martin Cash
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Vessel said:

Zachary Klement said:

HaroldShipmanAg said:

Zachary Klement said:

HaroldShipmanAg said:

ErnestEndeavor said:

I think people need to brace for the fact she's either going to win on the insanity defense or it's going to be a hung jury. Those following the actual trial are pretty convinced based on the way the evidence has been presented that the jury is unlikely to convict of murder.

She has good defense attorneys, good experts, and the prosecutors have effectively changed their theory of the case midstream. The state experts are now saying something different than what the prosecutors initially stated in opening argument.

This is nothing to do with the social media tomfoolery. I don't like how the verdict is going to be interpreted by either side of the circus.

White women can literally get away with anything including murder now...They are the bane of society.

She wouldn't be getting away with it...if the insanity defense works, she will be institutionalized, if there is a hung jury, the case will be tried again.

she absolutely could be released from the mental ward if a Judge deems she is fit.

I think more often than not, people who do things of this nature who are found to be criminally insane remain institutionalized for long periods of time.

I found one case where a woman in Texas got out after eight years, but still has parole-like stipulations on her release, check ups every so often, and is not allowed to be alone unsupervised with children. On the other side, Andrea Yates from Texas has remained in a psychiatric facility since she got out.

At the end of the day, if you kill your kids, you should be locked up forever...I could be cool with it being in a psych facility rather than prison though, if you actually can prove you were out of your mind.

Why even say this when you know it isn't possible? We can't get in to the mind of another person.

Don't feign ignorance here. You know and everybody else knows that Lindsay Clancy will be out of the institution within a decade. She is already completely magically healed from her supposed psychosis.

It's been fun talking philosophically about what the punishment should be for cases like these and glad we all generally agree. However, the reality of the situation is much much darker than we hope. She'll be walking free in basically no time.

That's just factually untrue.
Vessel
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She'll be out in less than a decade. That's essentially nothing for taking about 250 years of potential life away from your 3 kids.
Zachary Klement
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Vessel said:

Zachary Klement said:

HaroldShipmanAg said:

Zachary Klement said:

HaroldShipmanAg said:

ErnestEndeavor said:

I think people need to brace for the fact she's either going to win on the insanity defense or it's going to be a hung jury. Those following the actual trial are pretty convinced based on the way the evidence has been presented that the jury is unlikely to convict of murder.

She has good defense attorneys, good experts, and the prosecutors have effectively changed their theory of the case midstream. The state experts are now saying something different than what the prosecutors initially stated in opening argument.

This is nothing to do with the social media tomfoolery. I don't like how the verdict is going to be interpreted by either side of the circus.

White women can literally get away with anything including murder now...They are the bane of society.

She wouldn't be getting away with it...if the insanity defense works, she will be institutionalized, if there is a hung jury, the case will be tried again.

she absolutely could be released from the mental ward if a Judge deems she is fit.

I think more often than not, people who do things of this nature who are found to be criminally insane remain institutionalized for long periods of time.

I found one case where a woman in Texas got out after eight years, but still has parole-like stipulations on her release, check ups every so often, and is not allowed to be alone unsupervised with children. On the other side, Andrea Yates from Texas has remained in a psychiatric facility since she got out.

At the end of the day, if you kill your kids, you should be locked up forever...I could be cool with it being in a psych facility rather than prison though, if you actually can prove you were out of your mind.

Why even say this when you know it isn't possible? We can't get in to the mind of another person.

Don't feign ignorance here. You know and everybody else knows that Lindsay Clancy will be out of the institution within a decade. She is already completely magically healed from her supposed psychosis.

It's been fun talking philosophically about what the punishment should be for cases like these and glad we all generally agree. However, the reality of the situation is much much darker than we hope. She'll be walking free in basically no time.

If someone is on 32 different medications related to their mental health and institutionalized for a period of time prior to the killings, I would think there is some proof that the person was out of their mind,

Regardless, I agree she should be locked up for the remainder of her life and hope that if she is institutionalized rather than imprisoned, she remains there, like Andrea Yates.
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bobbranco said:

Fenrir said:

Partially of her own choosing. She refuses to be evaluated for competency, therefore she stays in. Maybe she wouldn't get out with a competency hearing, but it hasn't come up since she refuses to be evaluated.

I have no doubt that Clancy wants out ASAP. They've made that pretty clear so far with prior testimony.


This is confusing. I would think the law would require a competency evaluation before using post partum psychosis as a defense.

Andrea Yates is refusing a competency evaluation that would potentially let her our of the looney bin.
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Fenrir said:

bobbranco said:

Fenrir said:

Partially of her own choosing. She refuses to be evaluated for competency, therefore she stays in. Maybe she wouldn't get out with a competency hearing, but it hasn't come up since she refuses to be evaluated.

I have no doubt that Clancy wants out ASAP. They've made that pretty clear so far with prior testimony.


This is confusing. I would think the law would require a competency evaluation before using post partum psychosis as a defense.

Andrea Yates is refusing a competency evaluation that would potentially let her our of the looney bin.


Yeah Andrea Yates seems to be content to live out her years in the Kerrville Hospital

We'll see if this one is so willing
Captain Pablo
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bobbranco said:

Fenrir said:

Partially of her own choosing. She refuses to be evaluated for competency, therefore she stays in. Maybe she wouldn't get out with a competency hearing, but it hasn't come up since she refuses to be evaluated.

I have no doubt that Clancy wants out ASAP. They've made that pretty clear so far with prior testimony.


This is confusing. I would think the law would require a competency evaluation before using post partum psychosis as a defense.


Competency to stand trial and insanity defense are 2 different things

In the Yates case, she's not necessarily refusing evaluation, she's just waving her right to a hearing contesting her continued institutionalization

Fenrir
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Hard to be a PPP advocate and wheelchair marathoner from inside the psych ward.
bobbranco
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Fenrir said:

bobbranco said:

Fenrir said:

Partially of her own choosing. She refuses to be evaluated for competency, therefore she stays in. Maybe she wouldn't get out with a competency hearing, but it hasn't come up since she refuses to be evaluated.

I have no doubt that Clancy wants out ASAP. They've made that pretty clear so far with prior testimony.


This is confusing. I would think the law would require a competency evaluation before using post partum psychosis as a defense.

Andrea Yates is refusing a competency evaluation that would potentially let her our of the looney bin.

Got it.

You were talking about Yates.

Who's confused. Twas me.
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Legend
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Quote:

A recap before the verdict.

Clancy never told 7 different doctors that she was seeing 6 others. Did not tell them she had other scripts.
Just kept collecting them.
Never told them of any symptoms that could warrant a ppp diagnosis. Never had signs of psychosis.
Was never diagnosed with psychosis.

She was non-compliant with the meds they did tell her to take, however. She did not take them.
Seroquel was discontinued in early January. But she sure took it before she jumped 13 feet to the ground, likely so it would be in her system for her devised defense.

She only mentioned a command hallucination after asking for an attorney, from her bed after the murders.

Clancy was wealthy. Had a very close and supportive network. Parents offered to take kids and she refused. Had a nanny, daycare, work from home husband and funds for any medical. She ignored many treatment program recommendations.

No system failed her.
She premeditated murder, clearly, and went through with all three murders.
Looked up how long it would take to send husband on two errands, including takeout farther away that they didn't order from. I don't need to recap the gruesome murders.
She spoke to her husband on the phone coherently. Didn't tell him to get home fast or send help. Just continued murdering.

Then she didn't want to die herself, clearly, so the cuts were very superficial. You do not need to be a nurse to know these cuts were not a suicide attempt. I don't think she intended to paralyze herself. It was only a 13 feet distance.

Since then she has had no command hallucinations. She wants you to believe she obeyed the first one she ever had readily on that fateful day.
That has never happened in the history of ppp.
One command.
Obeyed immediately.
No more.

Her defense is filled with inconsistencies and holes.
Completely unbelievable.
Her made up story.
No real defense. Nothing but her own claim of a command, told after the murders. But they want you to believe that. Defense is merely a few words from a murderer after the murder. Not from a single provider she saw. Not supported by a shred of evidence.

Jury needs to do the right thing and incarcerate her for life. Otherwise she will be out sooner than any murderer has a right.

The only victims are her poor husband and these angels whose lives she violently ended.

Solid summary.
zephyr88
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Why is she sitting in a wheelchair?

edit*

I have not been following the trial closely and I didn't realize the jumping suicide attempt left her paralyzed.
TrumpsBarber
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For the same reason other folks sit in a wheelchair.
agdoc2001
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TrumpsBarber said:

For the same reason other folks sit in a wheelchair.

To get early boarding on flights to India?
TxSquarebody
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For the parking
RikkiTikkaTagem
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TrumpsBarber said:

For the same reason other folks sit in a wheelchair.


In spoilers because some people may not want to read it or say it's too risqu.

We have a prostitute who frequents our ER who states she uses one because she lets guys go so hard on her she can't walk afterwards. Seems like a marketing ploy to me, but that's her claim.

So I'm going to disagree with your statement.
Ag with kids
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RikkiTikkaTagem said:

TrumpsBarber said:

For the same reason other folks sit in a wheelchair.


In spoilers because some people may not want to read it or say it's too risqu.

We have a prostitute who frequents our ER who states she uses one because she lets guys go so hard on her she can't walk afterwards. Seems like a marketing ploy to me, but that's her claim.

So I'm going to disagree with your statement.

You can turn off signatures, btw
Deputy Travis Junior
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That's disgusting. What corner does she frequent? I want to go tell her how awful she is.
Fenrir
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Also can add in there that she has given 3 different timelines for when she heard "the voice" commanding her to murder her kids. All day...only as soon as her husband left...and only after he called her in the middle of running the errands she sent him on. Every statement she has given is riddled with inconsistencies with other statements.
Hardcore Greg
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In K-12 in the 80's and 90's we were constantly pelted with propaganda.

Everyone gonna die of AIDS
Guns r bad
Everyone gonna die from a hole in the ozone layer
White people are the most racist
Indians good, settlers bad

But maybe the worst of all, knowing what we know now especially, was "the Salem Witch trials were bad". They always taught that as a negative thing. Crazy.
96ags
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

That's disgusting. What corner does she frequent? I want to go tell her how awful she is.

I'd be worried that she would only need a walker after I got through....
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Hardcore Greg said:

In K-12 in the 80's and 90's we were constantly pelted with propaganda.

Everyone gonna die of AIDS
Guns r bad
Everyone gonna die from a hole in the ozone layer
White people are the most racist
Indians good, settlers bad

But maybe the worst of all, knowing what we know now especially, was "the Salem Witch trials were bad". They always taught that as a negative thing. Crazy.

my favorite was there will be no rainforest left by the time Im an adult...well......
HaroldShipmanAg
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Also, the husband already re-married? LIke wtf what a simp...
Queso1
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What's the deal about the Salem Witch Trials?
VP at Pierce and Pierce
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HaroldShipmanAg said:

Hardcore Greg said:

In K-12 in the 80's and 90's we were constantly pelted with propaganda.

Everyone gonna die of AIDS
Guns r bad
Everyone gonna die from a hole in the ozone layer
White people are the most racist
Indians good, settlers bad

But maybe the worst of all, knowing what we know now especially, was "the Salem Witch trials were bad". They always taught that as a negative thing. Crazy.

my favorite was there will be no rainforest left by the time Im an adult...well......


Dont forget to eat 12 servings of bread and pasta a day!
Hardcore Greg
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HaroldShipmanAg said:

Hardcore Greg said:

In K-12 in the 80's and 90's we were constantly pelted with propaganda.

Everyone gonna die of AIDS
Guns r bad
Everyone gonna die from a hole in the ozone layer
White people are the most racist
Indians good, settlers bad

But maybe the worst of all, knowing what we know now especially, was "the Salem Witch trials were bad". They always taught that as a negative thing. Crazy.

my favorite was there will be no rainforest left by the time Im an adult...well......

Haha, oh yeah...they definitely pushed that. Also basically wanted us to go home and shame our parents for using hair spray and other CFC's.

My fav was them telling us, in 4th grade around 1989 or 1990, that if things did not change by the year 2000, 1 in 4 high school students would have AIDS. I am not exaggerating. Went to an elementary with a lot of working class and minorities, so I think they pummeled us extra hard at that level to make sure they created enough future democratic useful idiots.

There is no way the nice schools across I-10 in Houston were facing the level of ******ed propaganda we were.
Hardcore Greg
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Queso1 said:

What's the deal about the Salem Witch Trials?

They taught that these were bad, but we are seeing that they are much needed today, by the number of women publicly saying they want to harm their babies and throw them into wood chippers in solidarity with the psycho killer who just murdered here three small children.

We are seeing that, while there are exceptions, women cannot be trusted at any level to help steer any nation or its institutions. They seriously have no business voting (as a whole).
TrumpsBarber
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Cora, Dawson and Callan. Say their names.
Queso1
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Did you know men were killed too? I must admit that this is a bizarre take of the SWT. I truly thought there was something that wasn't based on a personal opinion of women.
MsDoubleD81
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Cora, Dawson, Callan.
TyHolden
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

That's disgusting. What corner does she frequent? I want to go tell her how awful she is.


I hope I did not offend anybody with this post. If I did, please come see me at my address in my profile so we can talk.
Vessel
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More appropriate version:


Brutal
Ducks4brkfast
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I think she walks.

Torn on this one.
BadMoonRisin
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Vessel said:



Quote:

A recap before the verdict.

Clancy never told 7 different doctors that she was seeing 6 others. Did not tell them she had other scripts.
Just kept collecting them.
Never told them of any symptoms that could warrant a ppp diagnosis. Never had signs of psychosis.
Was never diagnosed with psychosis.

She was non-compliant with the meds they did tell her to take, however. She did not take them.
Seroquel was discontinued in early January. But she sure took it before she jumped 13 feet to the ground, likely so it would be in her system for her devised defense.

She only mentioned a command hallucination after asking for an attorney, from her bed after the murders.

Clancy was wealthy. Had a very close and supportive network. Parents offered to take kids and she refused. Had a nanny, daycare, work from home husband and funds for any medical. She ignored many treatment program recommendations.

No system failed her.
She premeditated murder, clearly, and went through with all three murders.
Looked up how long it would take to send husband on two errands, including takeout farther away that they didn't order from. I don't need to recap the gruesome murders.
She spoke to her husband on the phone coherently. Didn't tell him to get home fast or send help. Just continued murdering.

Then she didn't want to die herself, clearly, so the cuts were very superficial. You do not need to be a nurse to know these cuts were not a suicide attempt. I don't think she intended to paralyze herself. It was only a 13 feet distance.

Since then she has had no command hallucinations. She wants you to believe she obeyed the first one she ever had readily on that fateful day.
That has never happened in the history of ppp.
One command.
Obeyed immediately.
No more.

Her defense is filled with inconsistencies and holes.
Completely unbelievable.
Her made up story.
No real defense. Nothing but her own claim of a command, told after the murders. But they want you to believe that. Defense is merely a few words from a murderer after the murder. Not from a single provider she saw. Not supported by a shred of evidence.

Jury needs to do the right thing and incarcerate her for life. Otherwise she will be out sooner than any murderer has a right.

The only victims are her poor husband and these angels whose lives she violently ended.

Solid summary.

100% agree with this, but fully expect to get the kid gloves on this one and not a murder conviction because we live in a post-truth world thanks to social media that seems to be custom-made for impressionable white liberal women.

TrumpsBarber
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I was listening to the judges instructions to the jury, but had to look away from the t.v. because the camera is panning on Grimsy Lindsay. She is crying and it looks like pandering. I hope the jurors are thinking about the dead children photos and the time it took to murder them with exercise bands around their little throats.
Logos Stick
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Judge going to allow manslaughter as an option We live in a truly disgusting age now. America is over!



 
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