*** STAR WARS: ANDOR *** (Disney+)

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12:30p, 9/22/22
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That's a great point. The Empire should exist where local security handles it on one level; if there are stormtroopers there on a regular basis or they get called in, it should be a really big deal, like nobody wants to even look at them - the way it was on the world Cassian killed his contact at the beginning of Rogue One.

It's like the equivalent of local PD there all the time and then one day here comes the army and you're like oh damn what did we do wrong?

That does kind of tie in to my only nitpick - why are all these people friends with Cassian? He seems like a d*bag who only cares about himself. Why is the guy on the work crew sticking up for him? All he does is NOT work. Bix is an ex-GF and clearly uses him to help her get material off Imp ships, but everyone seems to be bending over backwards for a guy with an agenda that only involves his own interests.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 12:59p, 9/22/22
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The Porkchop Express said:
That's a great point. The Empire should exist where local security handles it on one level; if there are stormtroopers there on a regular basis or they get called in, it should be a really big deal, like nobody wants to even look at them - the way it was on the world Cassian killed his contact at the beginning of Rogue One.

It's like the equivalent of local PD there all the time and then one day here comes the army and you're like oh damn what did we do wrong?

That does kind of tie in to my only nitpick - why are all these people friends with Cassian? He seems like a d*bag who only cares about himself. Why is the guy on the work crew sticking up for him? All he does is NOT work. Bix is an ex-GF and clearly uses him to help her get material off Imp ships, but everyone seems to be bending over backwards for a guy with an agenda that only involves his own interests.
See, I go the other way with this.
We don't need it to be explicitly explained that he is actually a good guy, BECAUSE they all still help him in spite of what you said.

Also wasnt implying that your take was wrong, just showing another way to view it.
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In reply to PatAg • 1:18p, 9/22/22
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Yeah exactly, my guess is he's probably helped them out of tight spots before and/or they know he's looking out for them against the corporation/empire.

He's that friend you call when you need to bury a body and you know he's showing up no questions asked.
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2:39p, 9/22/22
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I don't think so Tim - bump
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:42p, 9/22/22
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My only issue with these thoughts is that it's possible to make a good show that is "slavishly reverent" to this world.

For example, Obi Wan Kenobi didn't have to be a bad show. It could have added to this world, it just didn't. In fact it's new stuff was the worst part of it. But not because it was new, but because it was poorly written, confusing, and lacked good characters. The parts of it that were like fan fiction "what if the prequels were actually good" were actually its best parts.

The same will be true of Ahsoka. There's plenty of room there to create something new from the pieces of something old.
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3:43p, 9/22/22
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Watched 1.5 episodes so far before I had to stop. (Traveling.)

This show grabbed me immediately. Even more so than Mandalorian did.

Got big Blade Runner vibes in the beginning, which I loved. Hopefully more of that.

Love that the two leads are Hispanic, but Disney/LF isn't really calling attention to it like some other movies/shows tend to do. I like how Andor's home planet basically speaks space Spanish to account for the accent. Found that pretty funny.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:43p, 9/22/22
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This is my opinion, but I think Gilroy also clearly GETS the world of Star Wars.
Because even though a lot of what we have seen is fresh imagery, it fits seamlessly with how I think of Star Wars.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:45p, 9/22/22
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TCTTS said:
It was driving me nuts that I couldn't figure out where I knew this guy from...



Something about him was vaguely familiar, yet I couldn't quite place him. I just knew I'd seen him in something recently. Finally looked him up, and...



The other head guy looks exactly like Henry Thomas.
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In reply to bobinator • 3:45p, 9/22/22
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bobinator said:
My only issue with these thoughts is that it's possible to make a good show that is "slavishly reverent" to this world.

For example, Obi Wan Kenobi didn't have to be a bad show. It could have added to this world, it just didn't. In fact it's new stuff was the worst part of it. But not because it was new, but because it was poorly written, confusing, and lacked good characters. The parts of it that were like fan fiction "what if the prequels were actually good" were actually its best parts.

The same will be true of Ahsoka. There's plenty of room there to create something new from the pieces of something old.
My thought is they decided they wanted an Obi-Wan show before actually coming up with any ideas or story points.
They had success with Mandalorian, so they decided they should make a Boba-Fett show.

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In reply to bobinator • 3:52p, 9/22/22
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bobinator said:
My only issue with these thoughts is that it's possible to make a good show that is "slavishly reverent" to this world.

For example, Obi Wan Kenobi didn't have to be a bad show. It could have added to this world, it just didn't. In fact it's new stuff was the worst part of it. But not because it was new, but because it was poorly written, confusing, and lacked good characters. The parts of it that were like fan fiction "what if the prequels were actually good" were actually its best parts.

The same will be true of Ahsoka. There's plenty of room there to create something new from the pieces of something old.

I hear you, and agree. I just didn't take his endorsement in this instance as saying it couldn't be done the "slavish" way.
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3:54p, 9/22/22
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Man I was not super interested in this story when I first heard it announced but literally everyone is saying it's good, including one of my friends who's really harsh on all Disneywars stuff. I know what I'm doing after work tonight, probably will prioritize this over LOTR
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In reply to PatAg • 3:54p, 9/22/22
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I think all three of those shows (The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Obi Wan Kenobi) at various points show a lack of understanding of what audiences want in a good TV show.

The Mandalorian found its footing after a bit, but the other two were just bad.
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4:00p, 9/22/22
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To bring it back to Andor, I think that's one thing we're already seeing is a clear vision of what this show wants to be. This show knows what story it wants to tell, and it knows who its audience is. I mean right out of the gate we get our "good guy" killing two people.
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4:10p, 9/22/22
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I'm just here to say that I absolutely love this show. What a breath of fresh air.

Oh, and B2EMO is already a fantastic droid. Laughed out loud at "that's two lies." Can't wait until we (maybe hopefully somehow) get him and my all-time favorite droid, K-2SO, in the same scene.

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4:24p, 9/22/22
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I like that the droids use more energy when they lie.
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4:32p, 9/22/22
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Great opening set of episodes. Not a whole lot has really happened but the bones are there ready to be fleshed out.

I did get a chuckle out of them using an Irishman as their hardcore policeman character.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 4:57p, 9/22/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Love that the two leads are Hispanic, but Disney/LF isn't really calling attention to it like some other movies/shows tend to do. I like how Andor's home planet basically speaks space Spanish to account for the accent. Found that pretty funny.
Um, about that....
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In reply to jeffk • 4:57p, 9/22/22
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jeffk said:
Great opening set of episodes. Not a whole lot has really happened but the bones are there ready to be fleshed out.

I did get a chuckle out of them using an Irishman as their hardcore policeman character.
Scottish?
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In reply to PatAg • 5:05p, 9/22/22
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The Porkchop Express said:


That does kind of tie in to my only nitpick - why are all these people friends with Cassian? He seems like a d*bag who only cares about himself. Why is the guy on the work crew sticking up for him? All he does is NOT work. Bix is an ex-GF and clearly uses him to help her get material off Imp ships, but everyone seems to be bending over backwards for a guy with an agenda that only involves his own interests.
See, I go the other way with this.
We don't need it to be explicitly explained that he is actually a good guy, BECAUSE they all still help him in spite of what you said.

i'm in between, i only sort of liked cassian character in r1, despite the fact that i loved the movie overall.

but i think that was the point. he really isnt all that likeable, but he saves the galaxy anyway for his own reasons.

i didnt really get the overwhelming feeling that he was just out for himself, though i can see how one might.

i also agree that they made it clear that he does have good friends. and there must be a reason for that.

bottom line, i dont really expect to 'like' cassian all that much here either, but i like his role in the world and the way they are telling it.

that said, i find it odd that people call it murder or thinking killing the crooked guards shows a 'bad side'.

they went out of their way to antagonize him, he left, then they chased him down and tried to rob him at gunpoint, using their badge to break the law. They needed to be dead, and executing them is a good character trait.

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In reply to twilly • 5:12p, 9/22/22
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twilly said:
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Love that the two leads are Hispanic, but Disney/LF isn't really calling attention to it like some other movies/shows tend to do. I like how Andor's home planet basically speaks space Spanish to account for the accent. Found that pretty funny.
Um, about that....


Well, in the marketing in any case.
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In reply to bobinator • 6:13p, 9/22/22
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bobinator said:
I think all three of those shows (The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Obi Wan Kenobi) at various points show a lack of understanding of what audiences want in a good TV show.

The Mandalorian found its footing after a bit, but the other two were just bad.


But you have to consider that they're thinking about more than just the audience that wants a gritty drama. My whole family watched mando and boba fett and my super fan was all over obiwan, but no kid under 13 should be watching this.
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In reply to twilly • 6:19p, 9/22/22
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Um, about that....
1 of those things is not like the other.... 5 of those are "latin stories" - in character or in setting - and then there is Andor.
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In reply to PatAg • 6:24p, 9/22/22
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PatAg said:
jeffk said:
Great opening set of episodes. Not a whole lot has really happened but the bones are there ready to be fleshed out.

I did get a chuckle out of them using an Irishman as their hardcore policeman character.
Scottish?


Haha, yeah. I'm awful at distinguishing between them.
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6:28p, 9/22/22
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Love, love, love this series! My 10 year old will not, and I'm not sure I'll let him watch it. Very adult. Did anyone notice there were NO parents on Kenari?
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In reply to jeffk • 6:45p, 9/22/22
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PatAg said:
jeffk said:
Great opening set of episodes. Not a whole lot has really happened but the bones are there ready to be fleshed out.

I did get a chuckle out of them using an Irishman as their hardcore policeman character.
Scottish?


Haha, yeah. I'm awful at distinguishing between them.
to be fair, they all look alike
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:21p, 9/22/22
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That's kind of what I'm getting at. It seemed like Boba Fett and Obi Wan Kenobi weren't sure what their audiences were.

I get that they're thinking different audiences, I wasn't trying to imply they should all be the same, but it seemed like they were searching with the other shows.

The Mandalorian is different, I think its main issues early were related to not being sure if it was like a mission-of-the-week show or not.

To be clear, I like the Mandalorian, but there were some truly wild episodes like the frog lady one.

And then you have them sticking two episodes of The Mandalorian inside the Book of Boba Fett. Also odd.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 7:21p, 9/22/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
twilly said:
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Love that the two leads are Hispanic, but Disney/LF isn't really calling attention to it like some other movies/shows tend to do. I like how Andor's home planet basically speaks space Spanish to account for the accent. Found that pretty funny.
Um, about that....


Well, in the marketing in any case.


What do you call that?
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7:23p, 9/22/22
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Love this so far, but it's a really slow burn. Really looking forward to the rest of the series.
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In reply to CajunAg97 • 7:23p, 9/22/22
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The subtext is they died in the mine explosion mentioned later in the episode right? I thought that was another nice touch. The mine exploded and the empire no longer had use for the planet and left the kids to fend for themselves. Overall a small thing, but just one more thing that feeds the spark of rebellion.
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In reply to bobinator • 7:34p, 9/22/22
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bobinator said:
The subtext is they died in the mine explosion mentioned later in the episode right? I thought that was another nice touch. The mine exploded and the empire no longer had use for the planet and left the kids to fend for themselves. Overall a small thing, but just one more thing that feeds the spark of rebellion.


Yeah. That makes sense. And then when the empirial "rescue ship" wiped out the rest of the kids. Only Cassian is left.

Edit. Nvmd forgot about the sister.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 7:37p, 9/22/22
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Brian Earl Spilner said:
twilly said:
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Love that the two leads are Hispanic, but Disney/LF isn't really calling attention to it like some other movies/shows tend to do. I like how Andor's home planet basically speaks space Spanish to account for the accent. Found that pretty funny.
Um, about that....


Well, in the marketing in any case.


What do you call that?


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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:39p, 9/22/22
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Now that part is unclear. I thought the girl was going to be one of the kids also but apparently not. The kids might still be there all grown up for all we know right? He got taken off the planet by Aunt Petunia. (Eventually I'll learn the character names)
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7:39p, 9/22/22
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Fantastic interview with showrunner Tony Gilroy…

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In reply to bobinator • 7:41p, 9/22/22
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bobinator said:
Now that part is unclear. I thought the girl was going to be one of the kids also but apparently not. The kids might still be there all grown up for all we know right? He got taken off the planet by Aunt Petunia. (Eventually I'll learn the character names)


Unclear sure. But the aunt hinted that she needed to save Cassian before he was killed with the rest when they found the "murdered" officer.
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