*** STAR WARS: ANDOR *** (Disney+)

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In reply to fig96 • 11:39p, 1/15/23
The flip side to that is…
Outside of a couple of nods to the cannon and a minor tweak or two, this entire series could have been written outside of the SW universe and little would have changed. It's like they were looking for something else to just slap the SW tag on and wait for the money to roll in.
And to be clear I liked it, but the love for it was never something I got. To each their own though. Some shows you "get" some you don't.
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In reply to oragator • 11:51p, 1/15/23
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How in any way is that a con? I was trying to come up with my response to this and it all boiled back to "and?".
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In reply to Chipotlemonger • 12:04a, 1/16/23
Like I said, to each their own. For me, if something is called Star Wars there is a certain expectation of some of what you will see, and this didn't have that for the most part. For some people that was the draw, and that's fine.
Again I liked it, just not as much as many here, and that was probably the primary reason. I am not at all against a more serious SW show, a more adult one, just wish it was a bit more in the cannon if you're gonna call it a SW show.
That's all.
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In reply to oragator • 12:24a, 1/16/23
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1. The show is not over yet.
2. This show has enriched the entire Star Wars universe and makes everything more compelling.

As for not enough Star Wars stuff, I'm reading between the lines and assuming you're talking about Jedi, Sith, lightsabers, etc…Because the imperial star destroyers, the empire itself, space fighting, hyperspace, Coruscant, storm troopers, just wasn't enough.
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In reply to Chipotlemonger • 12:42a, 1/16/23
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In reply to Chipotlemonger • 1:29a, 1/16/23
Well I seem to have insomnia, so one more post and then I will let it go.
But I completely agree time hasn't run out on what the show might offer, we will see.
And no I don't need to see light sabers or R2D2 floating around
Let me put my point another way.
As of the end of the first season, it's been roughly the length of a SW trilogy and Cassian, a relatively minor character, has gotten as much screen time roughly as even the major characters from the films. By next season he will far surpass them.
For all that, what have we learned comparatively around the SW universe? Very little, and not a single tie plot wise to what we know. Which is why I said it's not really SW to me; even if they throw in a cruiser or an empire reference, if it's this stand alone.
But as I said I will leave it there.
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In reply to oragator • 2:04a, 1/16/23
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What could you possibly be expecting to learn about the SW universe in a show named Andor? I mean you know going in the story is entirely about him.

And even with that in mind, they've given us far more than we could've hoped for with an amazing cast of supporting characters, not to mention seeing what living under the Empire is actually like from the ground level, which we've never gotten before. In some ways, I would argue this series has done the best world-building yet.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:21a, 1/16/23
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I would argue the exact opposite as oragator, and echo your point...

What 20 twenty+ hours and 40+ years of movies couldn't do, Andor did in less than half the hours, and in under three months. It made me care about the Rebel's plight way more than I ever have, while also making me despise the Empire like never before. Heck, we didn't even *see* the Emperor and I hated him more in this series than I have in any of his prior appearances. The pain and suffering he caused, single-handedly, throughout an entire galaxy, has never been felt like this before.

I will never understand why people put so much emphasis on what we learn in terms of plot. Plot is nothing more than scaffolding. I watch movies to *feel* something, through characters interacting with each other, to ultimately experience catharsis, and not because I want a history lesson or to understand step-by-step the inner workings of X, Y, or Z.

That said…we absolutely learned things from this series, and it definitely tied in plot-wise to what we already know. I don't get that complaint at all. The group that steals the plans to the Death Star… that Princess Leia helps lead… and Luke Skywalker joins… that miraculously blows up the Death Star… and against all odds, ultimately rids the galaxy of the worst evil it has ever known… yeah, this is the story of how *that* group came to be. And it's endlessly fascinating, not to mention probably the best-written series of 2022. To the point where I can't even imagine anything else anyone could possibly want from it.
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5:13a, 1/16/23
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Well said. I think if they had called this show Rebellion, these complaints would have been lessened.

What this show has done is made the Rebellion more real. It showed how the Empire's oppression on the galaxy energized people across all political/economic spectrum to work together to free themselves, all difficult it is for them to work together, and why ultimately most are destined to die for the cause.

Additionally, it is laying the seeds for why the Rebellion is ultimately going to fail as the New Republic.

Lastly, in a really subtle way, it kinda shows what a miracle the American Revolution was in overthrowing a government and then forming a stable government afterwards that has lasted. (This is not an invitation to discuss modern real life politics).
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In reply to oragator • 7:44a, 1/16/23
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You're saying that a show about the beginnings of the rebellion doesn't tie into SW at all because it's centered around Cassian instead of a Skywalker?
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7:46a, 1/16/23
Andor the series has shown us how the Death Star got made. Using slave labor by people that were wrongfully incarcerated and were going to be killed when they were no longer useful.

Sorry nobody used a laser sword to cut open an animal and stuff an unconscious buddy into, and nobody used The Force to float an apple across a table, and there wasn't as much pew pew pew as usual. And very few new and interesting aliens.

The parallels to Nazi Germany extend beyond the Imperial officers uniforms, the term Stormtrooper, and the design of Vader's helmet. This series has peeled back the onion to show us they are more cruel than we realized.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 7:55a, 1/16/23
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ABATTBQ11 said:
You're saying that a show about the beginnings of the rebellion doesn't tie into SW at all because it's centered around Cassian instead of a Skywalker?
Yep. Oragator seems to think that a SW show either has to have a Skywalker or Jedi in it, otherwise it's just slapping the SW name on media to milk that cash cow. Really, really bizarre opinion.
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8:13a, 1/16/23
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I think y'all are being a little unfair to orgator for his opinion. He said he really liked the show.

There is a subtle difference between this and most Star Wars, and I think it's bc it is less "fantasy" than other things. Again, as he said, different things for different folks.
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In reply to redline248 • 8:37a, 1/16/23
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redline248 said:
I think y'all are being a little unfair to orgator for his opinion. He said he really liked the show.

There is a subtle difference between this and most Star Wars, and I think it's bc it is less "fantasy" than other things. Again, as he said, different things for different folks.
This is the correct way to state your opinion.
When you lead off your talking points with ' It's like they were looking for something else to just slap the SW tag on and wait for the money to roll in." , you are going to get pushback from people and it isn't unfair.
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8:38a, 1/16/23
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Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.
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8:40a, 1/16/23
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While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
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In reply to PatAg • 8:57a, 1/16/23
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PatAg said:
While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
As someone who often acts like a huge ****** bag when people dislike things that I like, I gotta tell you, you sound like you've never lived on this planet before. I'd say a huge percentage of people watch shows to turn their brains off and escape the stress of their lives, not to think about a topic.
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In reply to PatAg • 8:59a, 1/16/23
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"I have friends that didn't like a show I liked, but they are usually smart."

Sorry, that just struck me as funny, even if it's not how you meant it.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:00a, 1/16/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
As someone who often acts like a huge ****** bag when people dislike things that I like, I gotta tell you, you sound like you've never lived on this planet before. I'd say a huge percentage of people watch shows to turn their brains off and escape the stress of their lives, not to think about a topic.
Are you purposefully misreading what I wrote?
I said I don't understand that mindset, not that I'm unaware of it or think less of them for thinking that way.
In fact, I wrote out why they don't like it in my post.
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In reply to redline248 • 9:01a, 1/16/23
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redline248 said:
"I have friends that didn't like a show I liked, but they are usually smart."

Sorry, that just struck me as funny, even if it's not how you meant it.
LOL, yea that was more to just say it's not like they are incapable of understanding the show or anything. They just don't want to.
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In reply to PatAg • 9:09a, 1/16/23
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PatAg said:
The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
As someone who often acts like a huge ****** bag when people dislike things that I like, I gotta tell you, you sound like you've never lived on this planet before. I'd say a huge percentage of people watch shows to turn their brains off and escape the stress of their lives, not to think about a topic.
Are you purposefully misreading what I wrote?
I said I don't understand that mindset, not that I'm unaware of it or think less of them for thinking that way.
In fact, I wrote out why they don't like it in my post.
Well if you don't understand it, why am I not allowed to explain it?
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:47a, 1/16/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
As someone who often acts like a huge ****** bag when people dislike things that I like, I gotta tell you, you sound like you've never lived on this planet before. I'd say a huge percentage of people watch shows to turn their brains off and escape the stress of their lives, not to think about a topic.
Are you purposefully misreading what I wrote?
I said I don't understand that mindset, not that I'm unaware of it or think less of them for thinking that way.
In fact, I wrote out why they don't like it in my post.
Well if you don't understand it, why am I not allowed to explain it?
So you're just being willfully obtuse? You're a strange dude
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 10:00a, 1/16/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


Let's not pretend you wouldn't do the same about someone who disliked Empire Strikes Back.
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In reply to PatAg • 10:03a, 1/16/23
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PatAg said:
The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
The Porkchop Express said:
PatAg said:
While I can recognize that there are people that don't like it, I geniuinely do not understand how you can watch this show and find it slow, or boring, or not excellent. I have some friends who think the same way, but they are also people that didn't like Mad Men, but are otherwise smart/interesting people.
There is just a group of people that never want to seriously think about a topic when they watch movies or tv shows, which is fair. I dont personally understand it at all, but I do understand that's how they feel about it.
As someone who often acts like a huge ****** bag when people dislike things that I like, I gotta tell you, you sound like you've never lived on this planet before. I'd say a huge percentage of people watch shows to turn their brains off and escape the stress of their lives, not to think about a topic.
Are you purposefully misreading what I wrote?
I said I don't understand that mindset, not that I'm unaware of it or think less of them for thinking that way.
In fact, I wrote out why they don't like it in my post.
Well if you don't understand it, why am I not allowed to explain it?
So you're just being willfully obtuse? You're a strange dude
I guess I just don't understand your point. I'll be quiet now.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:03a, 1/16/23
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


Let's not pretend you wouldn't do the same about someone who disliked Empire Strikes Back.
A New Hope is better
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:04a, 1/16/23
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I would argue the exact opposite as oragator, and echo your point...

What 20 twenty+ hours and 40+ years of movies couldn't do, Andor did in less than half the hours, and in under three months. It made me care about the Rebel's plight way more than I ever have, while also making me despise the Empire like never before. Heck, we didn't even *see* the Emperor and I hated him more in this series than I have in any of his prior appearances. The pain and suffering he caused, single-handedly, throughout an entire galaxy, has never been felt like this before.

I will never understand why people put so much emphasis on what we learn in terms of plot. Plot is nothing more than scaffolding. I watch movies to *feel* something, through characters interacting with each other, to ultimately experience catharsis, and not because I want a history lesson or to understand step-by-step the inner workings of X, Y, or Z.

That said…we absolutely learned things from this series, and it definitely tied in plot-wise to what we already know. I don't get that complaint at all. The group that steals the plans to the Death Star… that Princess Leia helps lead… and Luke Skywalker joins… that miraculously blows up the Death Star… and against all odds, ultimately rids the galaxy of the worst evil it has ever known… yeah, this is the story of how *that* group came to be. And it's endlessly fascinating, not to mention probably the best-written series of 2022. To the point where I can't even imagine anything else anyone could possibly want from it.


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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 10:06a, 1/16/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


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In reply to jokershady • 12:21p, 1/16/23
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jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
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In reply to Belton Ag • 12:40p, 1/16/23
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Belton Ag said:
jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
If you read this post, I will give you $100,000.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 12:55p, 1/16/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Belton Ag said:
jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
If you read this post, I will give you $100,000.
(now expecting a 5% commission on this payout since I made it to where Belton can read the post)
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 12:56p, 1/16/23
The Porkchop Express said:
Belton Ag said:
jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
If you read this post, I will give you 100,000 Imperial Credits.
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maroon barchetta said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Belton Ag said:
jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
If you read this post, I will give you 100,000 Imperial Credits.


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2:16p, 1/16/23
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I mean I guess it could've been a non Star Wars story if it'd been a different totalitarian regime that controlled the entire galaxy and had prison slave labor building a different thing that could destroy any parts of said galaxy and a brewing rebellion with some characters we know nothing about and have no attachment to with nothing in particular this is all building towards...

The framework that Star Wars created for the show is just perfect, and the way Andor expanded the Star Wars Universe just in season 1 really changes everything. As others mentioned, up till now we never really understood the total control the Empire had and how brutal they were. In the original trilogy they often seemed to just sort of be the high school bully that you tried to avoid, but in Andor in so many ways we see how they were just savage with no regard for human/alien life, not to mention the really interesting exploration of the Senate and the Empire's corporate machine.

Andor is the first thing to show us the true reason that the rebellion was needed. Not to mention...

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In reply to fig96 • 2:28p, 1/16/23
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You are 100% correct, and then at the same time it was a show about a bank robbery, a prison escape, and a street riot. Those things aren't uniquely Star Wars.

The real meat, imo, is how we go from the lone wolf, only out for himself Andor, to the Andor ready to sacrifice everything including his life in the name of the Rebellion.

And it wasn't just the dialog that made this show great. The acting, directing, format and the slow building suspense. It all came together expertly.
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In reply to MASAXET • 2:50p, 1/16/23
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MASAXET said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Belton Ag said:
jokershady said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Orgator learning the 2 cardinal rules of TexAgs Star Wars Board the Internet today.

1) If you like something that the mob doesn't like (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rise of Skywalker, etc.), keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

2) If you have even the slightest criticism for something that the mob loves, keep it to yourself or reap the whirlwind.

That is all.


FIFY


I have that poster blocked but I see where you quoted him here. Wierd for him to say all that given how he goaltends for Star Wars content, even the bad stuff, like it's his own personal work.
If you read this post, I will give you $100,000.
(now expecting a 5% commission on this payout since I made it to where Belton can read the post)


Hell if you can collect I'll give you 50%
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