*** OBI-WAN KENOBI *** (Disney+ Series)

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Makes me wonder if the prophecy was a self-fulfilling prophecy, where training Anakin would always lead to that result, or if Qui-Gon surviving would have led to a different result.

I think it's incredibly likely that if Qui-Gon trains Anakin, he is able to channel/control his rage much better, and there'd be far less tension between him and the council.

But it makes me wonder if he still marries Padme. And if so, would he still become Vader? That's kind of the huge question for me.

It's really kind of unanswerable, but I think his sense of attachment was too rooted into him from before he became a Jedi. Yoda was right when he said he was too old to begin training.

But back to the self-fulfilling thing -- if we don't get Vader, does the Empire ever rise and fall? I think it probably still rises and never falls. Dooku would still have to die to keep up appearances as the leader of the Separatists, but maybe Palps never gets another apprentice after?
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Begs the question would Anakin has more closely followed the Jedi Code. He probably would of listened much more closely to Qui-Gon because he possibly viewed him as more of an authoritative figure while he viewed Kenobi as more of a brother.
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Not to mention Qui-Gon was more of a maverick who didn't follow the code as strictly as Obi-Wan, making him less likely to rebel.
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What show can we get a scene with the emperor telling Maul, Kill Qui-Gon, he is my biggest threat to obtaining the Chosen one. Forget about anyone else.
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You could also theorize that Dooku doesn't become a Sith, but rather successfully recruits Qui-Gon to step outside the order and hunt Sidious down to destroy him. Might still end up with Dooku as a bad guy, but he and Qui-Gon and potentially Anakin as "grey Jedi" is an interesting thread to pluck.

It would seem unlikely Anakin would see Padme again in a formal situation, but he might find some reason to roll up on Naboo to see her later in life, or on Coruscant once she became a Senator.

Assuming Obi-Wan didn't follow Qui-Gon with Dooku, Anakin and Obi-wan would probably not even know each other as he grew up.
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Valid point. If indeed Dooku really was trying to recruit Obi-Wan and that wasn't just a play. To this day I'm still not sure.
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In my head this story has always partially been about the flawed methodology of the Jedi. They mostly either become hypocrites or outright evil because of the push away from personal connections.

Every story of every Jedi we know has this element. So in my head it's never going to "go right."
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ChipFTAC01 said:

I feel like I've read it but do we know roughly how many Jedi survived the initial Order 66 and were left to be hunted down?

Off the top of my head:
Yoda
Obi Wan
Ahosoka
Padwan from Jedi Fallen Order
Freddie Prinze Jr


Reading wookiepedia other victims/targets of the purge post the initial Order 66 wave:

Jocasta Nu - Head Librarian
Luminara
Eeth Koth - zabrak looking horned guy on Jedi council
Quinlan Vos
Some badass warrior monk
The lady from fallen order

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Jedi_Purge
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ChipFTAC01 said:

ChipFTAC01 said:

I feel like I've read it but do we know roughly how many Jedi survived the initial Order 66 and were left to be hunted down?

Off the top of my head:
Yoda
Obi Wan
Ahosoka
Padwan from Jedi Fallen Order
Freddie Prinze Jr


Reading wookiepedia other victims/targets of the purge post the initial Order 66 wave:

Jocasta Nu - Head Librarian
Luminara
Eeth Koth - zabrak looking horned guy on Jedi council
Quinlan Vos
Some badass warrior monk
The lady from fallen order

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Jedi_Purge
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Ever since we caught a glimpse of Anakin's head sans helmet in Rogue One, I've been excited to see Hayden as Vader again.

Can't wait.
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"His shadow is cast across so much of what we do," series writer Joby Harold teases. "And the degree of his proximity to that shadow is something that we'll discover. But he is very much a part of the show emotionally for Obi-Wan, and possibly beyond that as well."

As for the kind of Dark Lord we'll see in the series that helps fill in the gap of time between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, Christensen is more straightforward: "We're going to see a very powerful Vader," promises the actor.
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Was there a rant on the Star Wars thread about the Stromtrooper Jet Pack???? Why don't we rant on them not shooting straight.
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It was probably a rant on reddit
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Maintaining my focus on work just got a lot more difficult.

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don't know if this has ever been covered.....but WHEN does obi-wan actually find out that darth vader is still alive????

he cuts his legs off and leaves him on fire next to a river of lava and it's safe to assume that he thinks he's dead....so when does that reveal happen? i hope this is a big moment in this series if they decide to show it.
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We'll see it in the first episode. Count on it.
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From earlier in the thread:
jackie childs said:

hey, i lasted more than an hour...


Show off
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jokershady said:

don't know if this has ever been covered.....but WHEN does obi-wan actually find out that darth vader is still alive????

he cuts his legs off and leaves him on fire next to a river of lava and it's safe to assume that he thinks he's dead....so when does that reveal happen? i hope this is a big moment in this series if they decide to show it.
It's now a part of the "Legends/EU" - but the 2005 novel The Rise of Darth Vader had it as the epilogue. per Wookieepedia -

Epilogue

The epilogue depicts Obi-Wan Kenobi, now under the guise of Ben Kenobi living as a hermit on Tatooine to watch over the infant Luke Skywalker from a distance. Kenobi is shocked at the news to hear that Darth Vader, whom he believed he killed in his duel against him on Mustafar, is alive. He is then contacted by the spirit of his late Master, Qui-Gon Jinn, who assures him that Luke will grow to confront his father when the time is right and that Vader will never step foot on Tatooine ever again, for fear of his memories coming back to haunt him.


Obi-Wan knows he took on the name Darth Vader when he became a Sith. Does the Empire's PR department extend press releases saying "Darth Vader visiting Sullust next Tuesday!" ?? As isolated as Obi-Wan looks in the early pix and trailer, it seems unlikely anyone on the planet would be mentioning Vader or even know his name or that he's a person. Looks more like General Grievous to the average being than a flesh and blood sentient.
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Im sure it's a trope among Star Wars nerds, but how ridiculous is it that Obi Wan didn't change his name when he went into hiding? It would be like Anakin hiding as Steve Skywalker.

"Anakin Skywalker? Nope never heard of the guy. My name's Steve. See? It says it right here on my brown Jedi-esque robes that I'm wearing."
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He took Luke back to Anakin's home planet, gave him to people Anakin had personally met, and he kept the name Skywalker. It makes zero sense.

I also hope the show touches on how Luke got screwed over in the deal. Leia gets to go live her best life, because... well, "we always wanted a girl".
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Has to be Andor at the 10 second mark, right? Man, I'm so pumped for this.
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We only hear *Luke* call him "Old Ben Kenobi," right? And no other character uses his actual last name? If so, I'm wondering if at some point, say, Aunt Beru accidentally slips up in front of a young Luke, refers to him as "Obi-Wan Kenobi," Luke is like, "Who?" and Owen is like, "Uh… OLD BEN Kenobi. He's just some crazy old wizard, stay away from him" or whatever. In other words, maybe only Luke calls him that and it's not like anyone else on Tatooine knows him as Ben Kenobi. In fact, I'd bet Obi-Wan himself uses a completely different name.
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Leia seems to recognize right away when Luke says "Ben Kenobi".

"Ben Kenobi? Where is he?"
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Dang, I think you're right.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Leia seems to recognize right away when Luke says "Ben Kenobi".

"Ben Kenobi? Where is he?"
well Bail Organa is in this so I'd assume that'll be hashed out
 
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