I think it's established canon now that Vader is only going to try once. If he doesn't have you on that first go, then you're free to escape while he stands and stares at you.
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Letting Rey do every damn thing has opened the door to so much power creep. Honestly, that's why I'm nervous each time we revisit old characters now. They need to just move to a different era and be done with it. The healing bullsh that she and Grogo can both do? Where the hell has that been?
bobinator said:
I think it's established canon now that Vader is only going to try once. If he doesn't have you on that first go, then you're free to escape while he stands and stares at you.
Kind of true though. Watches Falcon hyperdrive get fixed and vanish before his eyes. He just stares off into space thinking about who he will get to choke for this - maybe Bob in accounting will finally get it.
Lets Luke just fall from Cloud City. He's been around the force block long enough to know that Luke will easily survive.
My main hope for the finale is that, if there's a final Vader vs Obi-Wan showdown (as we all want and expect), I want it to be a clear victory for Obi-Wan, not Reva coming in at the last second to save him.
Even if it's just another version of Obi-Wan outsmarting Vader, I don't need Reva to be the one to save Obi-Wan.
Even if it's just another version of Obi-Wan outsmarting Vader, I don't need Reva to be the one to save Obi-Wan.
Really have no idea where things will go, but if I had to guess, I think Obi-Wan and Reva will hatch some sort of plan for Reva to take Luke off-world and into her protection while Obi-Wan faces down Vader.
Kenobi needs to kill Reva. Look - I get it won't happen, but it should. She knows about Luke, and she is an outsider from the original plan. She needs to die.
If she does die, I think it'll be her sacrificing herself for Luke somehow.
I think Vader killing her would be a bit of a repeated beat from the last episode, and make it all the more weird that Vader didn't kill her.
I think Vader killing her would be a bit of a repeated beat from the last episode, and make it all the more weird that Vader didn't kill her.
Honestly this kind of stuff doesn't bother me all that much, and you can always come up with some excuse in your head of why it works or why they couldn't do it some other time. Maybe grabbing a ship with the force is exhausting, maybe Obi Wan was blocking him from doing it to the second ship, whatever. These sort of things aren't the end of the world to me (other than the force healing one, that one's dumb).
This is where I'm at also. I don't get where they're going for this final episode. Reva dying last episode would have made a lot of thematic sense.
bobinator said:
(other than the force healing one, that one's dumb).
This is probably the one that bugs me the most. Why? Because it makes it feel too much like a space wizard or introducing a mage type character. I never felt like the original movies fully turned Jedi into that... it felt like there were limits.
Force healing was dumb because it completely rendered the prequels moot.
The reason Anakin fell to the dark side was because he wanted to find a way to save Padme. Turns out, not only did this power exist, but it was a light side power.
So either A) the Jedi kept this power from Anakin, or B) Rey somehow discovered something that the entire Jedi Council and the history of the Jedi Order had never discovered before.
Either way, it's incredibly dumb. Almost as dumb as bringing the Emperor back offscreen with a single line in the opening scroll text.
The reason Anakin fell to the dark side was because he wanted to find a way to save Padme. Turns out, not only did this power exist, but it was a light side power.
So either A) the Jedi kept this power from Anakin, or B) Rey somehow discovered something that the entire Jedi Council and the history of the Jedi Order had never discovered before.
Either way, it's incredibly dumb. Almost as dumb as bringing the Emperor back offscreen with a single line in the opening scroll text.
I mean they basically are space wizards.
The reason that one bothers me is more thematically. The biggest two characters in Star Wars are Anakin and Luke Skywalker, both had hard lessons early of the consequences of hubris that left them with scars (and metal hands) for the rest of their lives. One of the central themes of Star Wars has always been learning from your mistakes, and how the past affects the present.
Introducing a power that can more or less just make mistakes disappear just feels a little wrong to me. Granted we don't know the extent of that healing power, but it sure seemed to keep Rey from dying in TROS.
The reason that one bothers me is more thematically. The biggest two characters in Star Wars are Anakin and Luke Skywalker, both had hard lessons early of the consequences of hubris that left them with scars (and metal hands) for the rest of their lives. One of the central themes of Star Wars has always been learning from your mistakes, and how the past affects the present.
Introducing a power that can more or less just make mistakes disappear just feels a little wrong to me. Granted we don't know the extent of that healing power, but it sure seemed to keep Rey from dying in TROS.
Also a baby knows how to do it.
Granted, an old baby that's super powerful, but a baby nonetheless.
Granted, an old baby that's super powerful, but a baby nonetheless.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Really have no idea where things will go, but if I had to guess, I think Obi-Wan and Reva will hatch some sort of plan for Reva to take Luke off-world and into her protection while Obi-Wan faces down Vader.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Really have no idea where things will go, but if I had to guess, I think Obi-Wan and Reva will hatch some sort of plan for Reva to take Luke off-world and into her protection while Obi-Wan faces down Vader.
I also get this isn't what you would want, but you are trying to guess where they go from here.
Force healing had been around in legends, I think, for a while...maybe even in an episode or two of clone wars. However, it wasn't force regeneration. No reason for any jedi to die from a stab wound.
I mean, poor Qui-gon. The further we get away from that movie, the worse it gets for him to die.
I mean, poor Qui-gon. The further we get away from that movie, the worse it gets for him to die.
He failed. Force healing is the first thing you should teach your Padawan.
maybe Obiwan caught Jedi covid when they were going to learn that skill?redline248 said:
Force healing had been around in legends, I think, for a while...maybe even in an episode or two of clone wars. However, it wasn't force regeneration. No reason for any jedi to die from a stab wound.
I mean, poor Qui-gon. The further we get away from that movie, the worse it gets for him to die.
No it's not….you first teach your padawan how to sit and close your eyes and think real hard about the force and stuff while not squeaking out a fart cause it's canon Jedi farts lead to the dark side
jokershady said:
No it's not….you first teach your padawan how to sit and close your eyes and think real hard about the force and stuff while not squeaking out a fart cause it's canon Jedi farts lead to the dark side
haha. I always felt like this scene was fed to Rian Johnson by one of those porn spin off writers.
force healing is essential especially if you spar with live lightsabers and constantly go for kill shots and hope they block it.The Collective said:
He failed. Force healing is the first thing you should teach your Padawan.
Aha. The Star Tours tactic. Nice.bobinator said:
I think it's established canon now that Vader is only going to try once. If he doesn't have you on that first go, then you're free to escape while he stands and stares at you.
The Collective said:jokershady said:
No it's not….you first teach your padawan how to sit and close your eyes and think real hard about the force and stuff while not squeaking out a fart cause it's canon Jedi farts lead to the dark side
haha. I always felt like this scene was fed to Rian Johnson by one of those porn spin off writers.
I'd watch that spin-off
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All of the peripherial media - books, comics, cartoons, suggests that different Jedi have different powers solely based on who they are, how they perceive the Force, what species they are, etc.redline248 said:
Force healing had been around in legends, I think, for a while...maybe even in an episode or two of clone wars. However, it wasn't force regeneration. No reason for any jedi to die from a stab wound.
I mean, poor Qui-gon. The further we get away from that movie, the worse it gets for him to die.
I'm finally reading the first High Republic book, and the descriptions of how some of the main Jedi in the novel use the Force in different ways is a really interesting thing.
If you've ever read Matthew Stover's Shatterpoint, how Mace Windu uses the Force to find said shatterpoints and how he uses Vapaad (his lightsaber technique) is vastly different from everyone else.
It might branch out from the episodic movies, but having different Jedi have different powers has been around for a long time.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Really have no idea where things will go, but if I had to guess, I think Obi-Wan and Reva will hatch some sort of plan for Reva to take Luke off-world and into her protection while Obi-Wan faces down Vader.
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I really did hate that line. The worst person to ask that in all of the Galaxy was Obi-wan. He basically won the fight against every human being replaced by robots single-handedly, and then was betrayed immediately after.
Just as an aside, I did love that planet he fought Grievous on, has Star Wars gone back to that planet since?
Any chance this memory will be shown via flashback in the finale?
In fantasy fiction (and let's be honest, SW has more in common with fantasy epics than sci-fi), one of the indicators of quality has to be consistency in the "magic" system. Whether it's chanting in Latin, magic wands, weapons imbued with souls, god-touched divines, conversion of metals to energy by digesting them, or The One Ring, an interesting magic system has to have rules. Breaking a rule is essentially the same as a miracle (q.v. C.S. Lewis), and should therefore be rare. Jedi/Sith powers have always been dictated by what the story needed to get the characters out of a scrape. That's a shame IMO. Write yourself into a corner? No problem, just invent a new or long-forgotten Jedi force power to get out.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Force healing was dumb because it completely rendered the prequels moot.
The reason Anakin fell to the dark side was because he wanted to find a way to save Padme. Turns out, not only did this power exist, but it was a light side power.
So either A) the Jedi kept this power from Anakin, or B) Rey somehow discovered something that the entire Jedi Council and the history of the Jedi Order had never discovered before.
Either way, it's incredibly dumb. Almost as dumb as bringing the Emperor back offscreen with a single line in the opening scroll text.
Grogu figured it out before her by about 30 yearsBrian Earl Spilner said:
Force healing was dumb because it completely rendered the prequels moot.
The reason Anakin fell to the dark side was because he wanted to find a way to save Padme. Turns out, not only did this power exist, but it was a light side power.
So either A) the Jedi kept this power from Anakin, or B) Rey somehow discovered something that the entire Jedi Council and the history of the Jedi Order had never discovered before.
Either way, it's incredibly dumb. Almost as dumb as bringing the Emperor back offscreen with a single line in the opening scroll text.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Is it time yet?
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Is it time yet?
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