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*** OBI-WAN KENOBI *** (Disney+ Series)
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If I recall correctly, it is not until he is basically reading Luke's thoughts in ROTJ, on the DS2, that he figures Leia out.Phat32 said:
But based on his conversation with Luke in ROTJ, he doesn't know about Leia, right?
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Question - will we see the Emperor in this series?
I put the odds of seeing characters we know are around but haven't seen yet in roughly this order:
Qui Gon's ghost - 100%
Yoda - 65%
Palpatine - 35%
Ahsoka - 10%
Kanan Jarrus - 5%
It is beginning to dawn on me that maybe the Stars Wars stuff doesn't seem the same to me for the same reason Trans Ams don't seem the same to me.
What's interesting is, it never even entered my mind that we would see Yoda but it actually might make sense if Ob-Wan does connect with him.bobinator said:Quote:
Question - will we see the Emperor in this series?
I put the odds of seeing characters we know are around but haven't seen yet in roughly this order:
Qui Gon's ghost - 100%
Yoda - 65%
Palpatine - 35%
Ahsoka - 10%
Kanan Jarrus - 5%
Yeah I kicked this theory around a few pages back and I think seeking out Yoda makes a lot of sense as a next step for Obi Wan after just getting his ass handed to him. He could just seek him out by meditating, but we also know he actually knows where he is so he could go to the Degobah system.
Yoda throws on the duel of the fates mixtape, swamp training montage ensues = success.
Yoda throws on the duel of the fates mixtape, swamp training montage ensues = success.
Do we know for a fact Vader knows about Luke? He knows Padme died and was pregnant, and didn't know it was twins, but does he know Luke survived? Aren't we all assuming based off the "I am your Father" comment he knows from the beginning, but maybe Vader finds out about Luke here and hides it, just like Obi-wan finds out Anakin is alive.
I always interpreted the ESB scene when Vader asks him to join him and they would bring order to the galaxy as killing the emperor together.( he doesn't say that but I always thought it)
Maybe Vader finds out about Luke here, and then doesn't go searching for him after Obi-wan beats him again because he wants Obi-wan to train Luke and then covert him to the dark side because he assumes Obi-wan fails again. This could also be true even it he know about Luke from the beginning.
I always interpreted the ESB scene when Vader asks him to join him and they would bring order to the galaxy as killing the emperor together.( he doesn't say that but I always thought it)
Maybe Vader finds out about Luke here, and then doesn't go searching for him after Obi-wan beats him again because he wants Obi-wan to train Luke and then covert him to the dark side because he assumes Obi-wan fails again. This could also be true even it he know about Luke from the beginning.
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IIRC the Darth Vader comic, which is canon, makes it clear that he does not know about Luke until after ANH.
It's actually the emperor that tells him.
well, from the "certain point of view" that just means they both know the other one knows it.
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Yeah, I mean it's possible that Vader is lying here, I just think that's a little too much. He absolutely hates Obi Wan now, so much that he doesn't want to just kill him, he wants to torture him. I can't imagine that later he's going to let Obi Wan live and watch over his son for some ten-years-in-the-future grand scheme.
yeah it is probably just Obi - Wan beats him again at the end of this series. Vader still doesn't know about any kids, and has no desire to go back to Tatooine because of the sand.
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I'm not saying that this is what you're saying, but I do think this is something of a key point that the way they started this show is going to make confusing later.
The inquisitors did not, and still do not, know that Obi Wan was on Tatooine.
The inquisitors did not, and still do not, know that Obi Wan was on Tatooine.
and even in Rebels I don't think the inquisitors know he is there. Only Maul figured it out I believe.
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But did Reva *think* Obi-Wan was on Tatooine? Was that why the inquisitors were there in the first episode? Or was it because they'd heard whispers of Jedi Benny Safdie being there, who just so happened to be on the same planet, and in basically the same town, as Obi-Wan? This whole thing is so convoluted, I can't even remember/keep track of what I saw just a few nights ago.
Well I think it goes back to who knows Vader is Anakin and where he is from.
If you do you should make a leap that MAYBE Obi-Wan is there. I believe Reva did but didn't tell anyone else.
If you do you should make a leap that MAYBE Obi-Wan is there. I believe Reva did but didn't tell anyone else.
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Obi-wan has been there for 10 years and the Inquisitors just showed up and went specifically to the saloon where the other Jedi was and had been rumored to be. The distinct feeling I get is that Reva jumps to conclusions about every Jedi they hunt that it's either Obi-wan or they must be trying to find Obi-wan or that Obi-wan is helping them. She is singularly obsessed with Obi-wan, so pretty much everything looks like Obi-wan to her.
Got it, thanks.
That still feels SUPER convenient, though.
I know the filmmakers thought they needed to give Owen something more tangible to react off of - being threatened for potentially knowing about a local Jedi, and then seeing a Jedi being hung - but the idea that there was ANOTHER Jedi on Tatooine, in basically the same town as Obi-Wan, is so dumb and forced (no pun intended).
That still feels SUPER convenient, though.
I know the filmmakers thought they needed to give Owen something more tangible to react off of - being threatened for potentially knowing about a local Jedi, and then seeing a Jedi being hung - but the idea that there was ANOTHER Jedi on Tatooine, in basically the same town as Obi-Wan, is so dumb and forced (no pun intended).
Yeah that sounds about as goofy as a rebel pilot crashing on the same planet that uber force sensitive Palpatine's grandkid was living on, also the same planet where some old guy was hiding a map to Luke Skywalker, and said pilot's droid stumbles across the grandkid, then they end up in town where the most iconic spaceship in movie history happens to be parked with the keys still in it baby, escape on it, then the former owner of said ship finds them in like three minutes out is space somewhere. Oh also, said iconic space ship's former owner's son murdered the old guy with the map the day before. I mean who would write stuff like that?TCTTS said:
But did Reva *think* Obi-Wan was on Tatooine? Was that why the inquisitors were there in the first episode? Or was it because they'd heard whispers of Jedi Benny Safdie being there, who just so happened to be on the same planet, and in basically the same town, as Obi-Wan? This whole thing is so convoluted, I can't even remember/keep track of what I saw just a few nights ago.
I think it was just a big coincidence that they happened to be there. That whole thing has been my biggest issue with the show. It didn't need to happen. The only thing accomplished narratively from all that was showing that Obi Wan was willing to let another Jedi die to keep his identity/location a secret.
For that small thing they introduced a MASSIVE cosmic coincidence, and the fact that if she did think he was there, why didn't she try her mind reading trick on anyone, especially Owen who she was already threatening. If she does that, the entire house of cards of the Star Wars plot comes tumbling down worse than it already is.
If Reva did think he might be there, they absolutely didn't show that at all, and her big scheme to draw out Obi Wan was happening halfway across the galaxy.
The writing of that entire sequence is just nuts. They could have accomplished the same thing in so many other ways.
For that small thing they introduced a MASSIVE cosmic coincidence, and the fact that if she did think he was there, why didn't she try her mind reading trick on anyone, especially Owen who she was already threatening. If she does that, the entire house of cards of the Star Wars plot comes tumbling down worse than it already is.
If Reva did think he might be there, they absolutely didn't show that at all, and her big scheme to draw out Obi Wan was happening halfway across the galaxy.
The writing of that entire sequence is just nuts. They could have accomplished the same thing in so many other ways.
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Got it, thanks.
That still feels SUPER convenient, though.
You could at least argue that the force itself wanted Rey found, brought to Luke somehow, etc, etc. There are a lot of coincidences in Star Wars that you can kind of handwave as the force wanting something to happen.
But this one doesn't even pay off that way. Nothing comes of it.
But this one doesn't even pay off that way. Nothing comes of it.
And did the other random Jedi on Tatooine just happen to run into Obi in the desert a night or two later? Was he on planet looking for him?
bobinator said:
I think it was just a big coincidence that they happened to be there. That whole thing has been my biggest issue with the show. It didn't need to happen. The only thing accomplished narratively from all that was showing that Obi Wan was willing to let another Jedi die to keep his identity/location a secret.
For that small thing they introduced a MASSIVE cosmic coincidence, and the fact that if she did think he was there, why didn't she try her mind reading trick on anyone, especially Owen who she was already threatening. If she does that, the entire house of cards of the Star Wars plot comes tumbling down worse than it already is.
If Reva did think he might be there, they absolutely didn't show that at all, and her big scheme to draw out Obi Wan was happening halfway across the galaxy.
The writing of that entire sequence is just nuts. They could have accomplished the same thing in so many other ways.
Very well said. Yeah, I think the filmmakers REALLY wanted Obi-Wan to refuse another Jedi, and then used the same Jedi to put Owen in the position he was in, but none of it was worth the confusion/coincidence of it all.
Obi-Wan still could have refused to help someone on Tatooine, in only a way a Jedi could, that would still risk "outing" him to Stormtroopers or whoever, Owen ALREADY doesn't like Obi-Wan, and could have still warned him to stay away, and then all the same Reva/inquisitor stuff could have been happening, just in another part of the galaxy.
Urban Ag said:Yeah that sounds about as goofy as a rebel pilot crashing on the same planet that uber force sensitive Palpatine's grandkid was living on, also the same planet where some old guy was hiding a map to Luke Skywalker, and said pilot's droid stumbles across the grandkid, then they end up in town where the most iconic spaceship in movie history happens to be parked with the keys still in it baby, escape on it, then the former owner of said ship finds them in like three minutes out is space somewhere. Oh also, said iconic space ship's former owner's son murdered the old guy with the map the day before. I mean who would write stuff like that?TCTTS said:
But did Reva *think* Obi-Wan was on Tatooine? Was that why the inquisitors were there in the first episode? Or was it because they'd heard whispers of Jedi Benny Safdie being there, who just so happened to be on the same planet, and in basically the same town, as Obi-Wan? This whole thing is so convoluted, I can't even remember/keep track of what I saw just a few nights ago.
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Got it, thanks.
That still feels SUPER convenient, though.
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And did the other random Jedi on Tatooine just happen to run into Obi in the desert a night or two later? Was he on planet looking for him?
All I need is Qui-Gon Force Ghost helping Obi-Wan decisively defeat Vader in the finale, set to some music we actually recognize. (Duel of the Fates, Battle of the Heroes, Imperial March, a tragic version of Anakin's Theme, Anakin's Dark Deeds, etc.)
And a good reason why Vader would either 1. end his pursuit of Obi-Wan, or 2. agree to fight again in the future.
"We meet again at last" to me could be interpreted as....we've both been waiting for this moment, and it's finally here. Maybe Obi-Wan somehow makes a deal where he asks Vader to give up pursuing him, and in return he says he will return to face him once again?
I think #2 is a little weirder to make work, so I think it almost has to be #1. Otherwise there's not a great way to make that work with ANH.
And a good reason why Vader would either 1. end his pursuit of Obi-Wan, or 2. agree to fight again in the future.
"We meet again at last" to me could be interpreted as....we've both been waiting for this moment, and it's finally here. Maybe Obi-Wan somehow makes a deal where he asks Vader to give up pursuing him, and in return he says he will return to face him once again?
I think #2 is a little weirder to make work, so I think it almost has to be #1. Otherwise there's not a great way to make that work with ANH.
It still wouldn't have been great, but it would have been much better even if it was just different inquisitors.
The one obsessed with Obi Wan that has a kidnapping plot going on halfway across the galaxy ends up 20 feet from him with a lightsaber to the throat of one of the like three people in the galaxy that knows where Obi Wan is and she doesn't realize it and it ultimately doesn't matter.
The one obsessed with Obi Wan that has a kidnapping plot going on halfway across the galaxy ends up 20 feet from him with a lightsaber to the throat of one of the like three people in the galaxy that knows where Obi Wan is and she doesn't realize it and it ultimately doesn't matter.
TC, if you have any friends in the Star Wars camp let them know I'm available as a nerdy-but-not-too-nerdy consult for a "will this make sense to most people if it happens" check.
bobinator said:
TC, if you have any friends in the Star Wars camp let them know I'm available as a nerdy-but-not-too-nerdy consult for a "will this make sense to most people if it happens" check.
This board could have crowd sourced a better series than what we have seen so far.
bobinator said:
It still wouldn't have been great, but it would have been much better even if it was just different inquisitors.
The one obsessed with Obi Wan that has a kidnapping plot going on halfway across the galaxy ends up 20 feet from him with a lightsaber to the throat of one of the like three people in the galaxy that knows where Obi Wan is and she doesn't realize it and it ultimately doesn't matter.
bobinator said:
TC, if you have any friends in the Star Wars camp let them know I'm available as a nerdy-but-not-too-nerdy consult for a "will this make sense to most people if it happens" check.
Ha, will do.
We already DID crowd source a better story, TCTTS just didn't edit it into a coherent script to sell.
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Kenobi
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powerbelly said:bobinator said:
TC, if you have any friends in the Star Wars camp let them know I'm available as a nerdy-but-not-too-nerdy consult for a "will this make sense to most people if it happens" check.
This board could have crowd sourced a better series than what we have seen so far.
The entire thing should have been set on Tatooine, save for cutting away every so often to a villain who eventually comes to Tatooine to hunt down Obi-Wan, based on a force hunch or a potential sighting or intel or something along those lines. Either way, he/she is a rogue actor, basically if Reva broke off from the pack completely.
Meanwhile, something on another part of Tatooine - a part we've never been to - eventually calls Obi-Wan away to help. He doesn't want to leave Luke, but ultimately realizes that it's something that will eventually make its way to their part of Tatooine, should he not intervene/help out. Whatever it is, it has something to do with the Empire (pulling the strings from afar, but not in relation to Obi-Wan), a water drought, and some kind of indigenous people or species being taken advantage of.
Either way, it becomes part Lawrence of Arabia, part Mad Max, and there's no Vader whatsoever.
The villain uses the emergency on Tatooine to his advantage, but Obi-Wan ultimately takes care of them both, saves the day (and the planet), etc. Learns that he can still be of some use to this world.
This sh*t isn't hard.