IMO "time travel" in movies requires physically (think Back to the Future) or mentally (think Days of Future Past) *leaving* the time you're in and *entering* a different time, be it past or present. I would not count Interstellar as a time travel movie.

Actually, I would count the very end of Interstellar as time travel, when the black hole spits him out decades later, but that's it.

No way, that's just relativity.

Ok yeah you're right. Good point.

I obviously think jumping through time is more useful. But if we're trying to lock down a definition here, I think being able to rewind time around you has to count.

Think of it like normal travel. Teleporting would definitely be way better, but walking/taking a car still counts. So being able to rewind time around you a few minutes still has to count.

This is definitely a quarantine type of conversation, but it's fun.

What about like Edge of Tomorrow (the first time through) and Groundhog Day? Like, if you get got in a timeloop, does that still count?

In agreement on all accounts. I feel like all of those fit my basic criteria above.

I wouldn't count those two, because your characters are not actually trying to change the past to affect the future, they're just trying to make it to the next day.

I think needing to change events should be a major factor in considering something a time travel story. (ie. Back to the Future, Terminator, Endgame, etc.)

And when a character travels to the future, there's really not much to do as far as drama/plot. Those are more just "character out of time" stories. (Like a Forever Young, Austin Powers, the end of Interstellar, etc.)

Well whether or not something is a "time travel story" is different than just whether or not anyone in the movie time traveled.

And I'm not sure. In both cases they didn't start out by trying to change anything, but they are by the end.

They want to change it so they can escape the loop, but they're still changing the past with knowledge of the future (even if only a little bit of the future.)

Put another way, what happens in those movies isn't functionally different than what happens to the Narada in Star Trek. It also didn't choose to go back in time, and if it (and Spock) wouldn't have done anything presumably all of the events would have repeated themselves again. So it's only different in scale.

But Cruise and Murray are still traveling backwards in time. That's time travel, IMO.

You're not wrong, I just don't consider them "time travel movies".

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Yep, exactly my point.

That's fair.

I agree, just felt fun to talk that out on whether a loop counts. I think it has to.

So I think we have a pretty simple definition here.

If you can go to the past, and you have to go, you can't just view it, but if you can go to the past, at all, no matter how far, you've time traveled.

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If you can go to the past, and you have to go, you can't just view it, but if you can go to the past, at all, no matter how far, you've time traveled.

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Me reading that sentence.

I like it.

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Both Warner Bros. and Nolan declined to comment for this story. But those with knowledge of the plans describe how the studio is moving forward. The company has already conducted cast and filmmaker interviews for "long-lead" journalists, monthly magazine writers, by Zoom, and is preparing to drop a second trailer online soon - the trappings of a company preparing a major summer release.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/14/christopher-nolan-tenet-reopening/

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Warner Bros. has some time to pivot should the coronavirus situations not improve. While "Tenet" marketing must begin in the next few weeks, it is mainly what Hollywood terms "awareness" marketing - more general and lower-cost spots just meant to put the title into consumer consciousness. More expensive "purchase-intent" marketing would not begin until late June, giving Warner Bros. time for an about-face. (Another movie, the independent thriller "Unhinged" starring Russell Crowe, has also been schedule for July.)

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This is a super informative article on the entire situation, btw. I highly suggest reading the whole thing.

Not able to read the article. Is that the basic jist? ^

Unrelated to TENET, but the Halloween 2018 director, cast, and John Carpenter, are doing a Twitter commentary/watch-party kind of thing this weekend, and the rumor is they might close it out with dropping the Halloween Kills trailer.

Really hoping that's true. Feels like we may be getting back into the swing of things.

Yeah that's the basic gist, though there's a lot more covered/insight. I don't have a subscription to the Washington Post, but for some reason it let me read the whole thing.

As for Halloween Kills, that's awesome.

Hopefully we're finally going to start to get some legit trailers here soon and see some effort to try and return to normal...

Assuming Tenet releases on time and it's the first major release, could they slash their marketing budget knowing that they will get so much press coverage (good and bad)? They wouldn't need to run a single ad, but every news program will talk about movie theaters opening with Tenet.

One would think so. There also obviously won't be any NBA playoffs or the like in May/June that require big, expensive ad buys, so TV spending should be down regardless.

Yesterday, with the announcement that California and New York are finally ready to allow sports again on June 1st - albeit without fans - I was more optimistic than ever that momentum was building faster than expected to pave the way for things like theaters to for sure be open by July, as planned. And while I still believe that to be the case, the latest episode of The Big Picture podcast certainly offers a dose of reality and puts a damper on the situation. Yes, there's a lot of "... but will we feel safe?" talk, though it's the financial realties discussed that now have me questioning more than ever if we'll see a new movie in theaters before September. Sean and Amanda are plugged in about as much possible, and they site sources they've talked to along with recent, prominent articles on the matter. That said, they *do* wonder aloud if they're looking at this whole situation too much from the LA bubble. Regardless, the episode is worth it for not only the Tenet talk, but the theatrical situation as a whole...

https://www.theringer.com/2020/5/19/21263470/can-christopher-nolans-tenet-reopen-theaters

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/la-county-leaders-propose-reopening-economy-as-early-as-july-4-1295237

I haven't really been paying attention to this movie knowing that I probably won't see it for 3 years until I catch it on HBO sometime.

But I've watched the trailer a couple of times in the last few days and there's a shot of the guy next to JDW's bed who looks to be his handler or something.

"Where have I seen that guy before? He must be some character actor that's been in a ton of things."

Martin Donovan

Only things I've seen with him are Saved! From 15 years ago that I remember nothing about other than McCauley Caulkin in a wheelchair and Weeds that I also remember nothing about other than Mary Louise Parker, Kevin Nealon and weed. Haven't seen anything else in his long CV

Was watching Masked Singer on Fox. commercial said new trailer tomorrow.

According to Twitter, the same spot with the same announcement just aired on CNN as well.

The only bad news is that the spot apparently says of the movie itself, "Coming Soon," as opposed to "July 17."

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I had the exact same reaction. Spot was pretty much what we had seen. Was actually scrolling this thread. Figured it was gonna not have a release date. Rapid head nod when I heard new trailer.

Fingers crossed...

Lots of chatter that WB is confirming July 17th tomorrow. For better or for worse, it looks like it's actually happening, and I, for one, cannot wait.

Btw, props to WB for the Wednesday-Thursday one-two punch this week. The Snyder Cut officially announced today, and the new Tenet trailer tomorrow...