TheOriginalRedBaron said:
IOn the other hand, it does add to the desperation the Rebellion was in during ANH.
I know it's not the same for the audience, b/c we had a little more investment in R1 characters, but don't you think the same thing would be present for the characters in ANH after all the people that died attacking the Death Star? One of Luke's childhood friends, 2 squad leaders, and poor, poor Porkins...Quote:
But mostly ANH's happy ending with medals being delivered in the great hall while the Wookie screams and everyone laughs and applauds will now be tempered with the knowledge of the sacrifice and ultimate price paid by so many in Rogue One.
yeah that was awesome...my 11 year old brain was ready to write off Han completely for his selfishness....but he redeemed himself fully in that moment.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I can't imagine how awesome it was in the theater when Han showed up out of nowhere and shot those TIEs out behind Luke.
I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars when it originally opened. That was an awesome scene that often prompted audiences to openly cheer.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I can't imagine how awesome it was in the theater when Han showed up out of nowhere and shot those TIEs out behind Luke.
Agreed^^^^TheOriginalRedBaron said:I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars when it originally opened. That was an awesome scene that often prompted audiences to openly cheer.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I can't imagine how awesome it was in the theater when Han showed up out of nowhere and shot those TIEs out behind Luke.
But it was nothing compared to the reaction we saw on opening day for Empire Strikes Back when Vader said "Luke, I am your father." The collective gasp from the audience was amazing. I've never heard anything like it in a theater since. Then you heard people all over muttering "but that's impossible" and then Luke echoed the audience, also saying it wasn't possible. You could hear a pin drop when Vader tells him it true, to search his feelings, and the dawning of tragic truth shows on Luke's face. Jaws across the theater were wide open in shock.
The rest of the movie was just a blur after that shock. For those who had seen it, it was all we could talk about for days. There was no internet so secrets like this could stick until people saw the show, and as your friends went to see it that scene was all they wanted to talk about for days.
That was one of the greatest moments in cinema history.
Funny to see this mentioned, when there was a thread a few days ago about "collective misrememberings" on the GB and that line being one of those instances. Vader doesn't say that. He actually says, "No, I am your father," after Luke accuses him of killing his father. That doesn't change the point of your post, I just found it humorous to see it happen. Personally, I blame Tommy Boy.TheOriginalRedBaron said:I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars when it originally opened. That was an awesome scene that often prompted audiences to openly cheer.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I can't imagine how awesome it was in the theater when Han showed up out of nowhere and shot those TIEs out behind Luke.
But it was nothing compared to the reaction we saw on opening day for Empire Strikes Back when Vader said "Luke, I am your father." The collective gasp from the audience was amazing. I've never heard anything like it in a theater since. Then you heard people all over muttering "but that's impossible" and then Luke echoed the audience, also saying it wasn't possible. You could hear a pin drop when Vader tells him it true, to search his feelings, and the dawning of tragic truth shows on Luke's face. Jaws across the theater were wide open in shock.
The rest of the movie was just a blur after that shock. For those who had seen it, it was all we could talk about for days. There was no internet so secrets like this could stick until people saw the show, and as your friends went to see it that scene was all they wanted to talk about for days.
That was one of the greatest moments in cinema history.
This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
And if you don't read the book before the movie, how would you know there is a moment that could be ruined?Buck Compton said:This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
There have been numerous studies that suggest knowledge of spoilers actually enhances enjoyment of films/stories/etc. Here's an article about one: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-moreBuck Compton said:This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
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And I believe the guy who decided to release the book before the movie was George Lucas. He seems to have done OK with his life.
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And I believe the guy who decided to release the book before the movie was George Lucas. He seems to have done OK with his life.
I admire Lucas and despise him.
Jumping back to the discussion of Empire and the "No, I am your father" line for a bit, there did not exist in those days the word "spoiler" or even the concept of it. If someone had mentioned that, the response likely would have been a bit like the little brother character in the 50s home of the gal that would be Marty McFly's mom, Lorraine whatever her last name was, when Marty says he'd watched something a bunch in re-runs, and the brother says "what's a re-run?"Red Five said:There have been numerous studies that suggest knowledge of spoilers actually enhances enjoyment of films/stories/etc. Here's an article about one: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-moreBuck Compton said:This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
I could understand someone's argument for the opposite though. In the case of Vader specifically, I would be interested to know how opinions vary based on age. Are reactions different for people who saw ESB in the theater vs. people who saw it later on home video or TV? I was born the year it released, so I didn't see it until many years after it had come out. I honestly don't remember if I was surprised by the Vader reveal when I saw it or if I had already known due to it being such a widely known moment in pop culture.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Jumping back to the discussion of Empire and the "No, I am your father" line for a bit, there did not exist in those days the word "spoiler" or even the concept of it. If someone had mentioned that, the response likely would have been a bit like the little brother character in the 50s home of the gal that would be Marty McFly's mom, Lorraine whatever her last name was, when Marty says he'd watched something a bunch in re-runs, and the brother says "what's a re-run?"Red Five said:There have been numerous studies that suggest knowledge of spoilers actually enhances enjoyment of films/stories/etc. Here's an article about one: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-moreBuck Compton said:This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
I could understand someone's argument for the opposite though. In the case of Vader specifically, I would be interested to know how opinions vary based on age. Are reactions different for people who saw ESB in the theater vs. people who saw it later on home video or TV? I was born the year it released, so I didn't see it until many years after it had come out. I honestly don't remember if I was surprised by the Vader reveal when I saw it or if I had already known due to it being such a widely known moment in pop culture.
I was one of those who had bought and read the book prior to seeing the movie. I truly do not recall any real reaction to the reveal when I read it, but I do remember a very noticeable gasp in the audience at the WestChase 5 theater in Houston where I first saw the movie.
There was not a mall. The theater was in a strip center which still stands, although greatly modified since 1980 and no longer featuring the theater. But no, I don't recall going to any mall or anything else after that movie ended.Flashdiaz said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Jumping back to the discussion of Empire and the "No, I am your father" line for a bit, there did not exist in those days the word "spoiler" or even the concept of it. If someone had mentioned that, the response likely would have been a bit like the little brother character in the 50s home of the gal that would be Marty McFly's mom, Lorraine whatever her last name was, when Marty says he'd watched something a bunch in re-runs, and the brother says "what's a re-run?"Red Five said:There have been numerous studies that suggest knowledge of spoilers actually enhances enjoyment of films/stories/etc. Here's an article about one: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-moreBuck Compton said:This is why you don't read books before the movie.... I would never want to ruin that moment. Also, who had the bright idea to release the novelization first??twilly said:
I mentioned this before on the big SW thread but the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back was released about a month before the movie came out. On opening day of the movie, many people already knew Vader was Luke's father. Sure there was an audible gasp when Vader said it, but to a good portion of the theater, we already knew.
I could understand someone's argument for the opposite though. In the case of Vader specifically, I would be interested to know how opinions vary based on age. Are reactions different for people who saw ESB in the theater vs. people who saw it later on home video or TV? I was born the year it released, so I didn't see it until many years after it had come out. I honestly don't remember if I was surprised by the Vader reveal when I saw it or if I had already known due to it being such a widely known moment in pop culture.
I was one of those who had bought and read the book prior to seeing the movie. I truly do not recall any real reaction to the reveal when I read it, but I do remember a very noticeable gasp in the audience at the WestChase 5 theater in Houston where I first saw the movie.
Did you go to Westchase mall after?
This is awesome. I have to steal it.Cromagnum said:
AliasMan02 said:
You're entitled to your opinion, but this is why I think you're way off base. You make a couple of points.
1. The movie didn't feel like Star Wars, for example not having the scroll.
2. You fear dilution of the franchise.
Those two things don't mesh. If RO was made to "feel" like a Star Wars movie, it WOULD dilute the franchise. The style/feel you're talking about is reserved for the saga films just so it won't go stale.
The anthology films are going to take on all sorts of different feels. We're going to get thrillers and war films and heist movies and gangster movies and straight action flicks. Star Wars will get to flex its collective creative muscles. That's the whole point.
Above all, I don't see how RO could impact your anticipation for TLJ, for better or worse. They're distinct and RO in no way influences the "feel" of TLJ.
