M.C. Swag said:

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No one is going to defend the prequels in terms of quality. They are objectively bad films in almost every way; but I liked their intent. I know Lucas didn't intend to tell the Star Wars story with ANH as being Ep. 4 of a 6 part saga, but as a viewer, I really really enjoyed that idea. I was floored to find out how Vader became his evil self and what young Obi Wan in his prime could do. The idea of seeing MULTIPLE Jedi on screen, fighting together, should have been amazing.

Lucas completely failed to execute on those opportunities and I feel like it has biased alot of people against the IDEA of the prequels. Which is a shame. What Lucas tried to do, was appreciated by me.

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bangobango said:

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There is some bad acting in the OT, but there is also some really great acting to go along with it, especially by Harrison Ford.

I was 18 or 19 when episode one came out and I remember thinking the biggest problem with the show was they didn't have a Han Solo type character to lighten things up. Jedi, as portrayed in the prequel, are pretty freaking boring.

I've subsequently come to think there are a lot more wrong with episode one than just that, but I think Han Solo really is what gives the first three movies their heart and soul.

There were some great actors in the prequel, but none of them were written in a way that they could really steal the show or cover up for the weaker actor's flaws.

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M.C. Swag said:

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Well lets be honest; ANH has not aged well. As someone who wasn't even alive when the original trilogy concluded, it was a little hard to get kids my age invested in the story. Alot of my friends found it too cheesy to take seriously. The graphics, the action, the acting....it's all VERY 80s.

I think starting off with something newer might get new viewers in the future to buy-in easier than ANH would.

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Tex117 said:

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I thought the movie was good but not "great."

It lacked the "adventure" feel of the other Episodes . . . so we were left with a war movie. Which is fine...but it wasn't all THAT great of a war movie because there was barely any character development.

War movies work on the fact that you care about the people in it. Rouge One did not do a good job with making you actually care about anyone onboard Rogue One.

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pagerman @ work said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Man, this guy really hates Star Wars.

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Not at all. I actually love Star Wars. I saw Rogue One twice this weekend.

I also realize that I saw Star Wars the first time in 1977 when I was 8, and as such I saw it with 8 year old eyes. I didn't notice the bad acting and worse writing. I did notice the blasters, light sabers, the force, the fighters, the Death Star, the droids and the creatures/worlds that were all amazing, and completely overwhelmed me. That was what Lucas wanted me to see. He was going for cheesy matinee style movie. The only movies that don't have a serious amount of that are the ones he didn't direct or wasn't directly involved in (Empire, The Force Awakens, Rogue One).

As an adult I can love the movies and characters and still realize that they are what they are, namely good fun entertaining movies that aren't (and were never intended to be) serious dramas like the Godfather.

Now that Lucas is out and Disney is hiring good young actors to fill the roles in the movies and getting much better writers I think you will see movies that get better both story and writing wise and acting wise also. That's all great. I just think that people for some reason want the original 6 movies to be something that they were never intended to be, and unfortunately it ruins the enjoyment of the movies for them.

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bangobango said:

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PatAg said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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No one is going to defend the prequels in terms of quality. They are objectively bad films in almost every way; but I liked their intent. I know Lucas didn't intend to tell the Star Wars story with ANH as being Ep. 4 of a 6 part saga, but as a viewer, I really really enjoyed that idea. I was floored to find out how Vader became his evil self and what young Obi Wan in his prime could do. The idea of seeing MULTIPLE Jedi on screen, fighting together, should have been amazing.

Lucas completely failed to execute on those opportunities and I feel like it has biased alot of people against the IDEA of the prequels. Which is a shame. What Lucas tried to do, was appreciated by me.

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Think those are excellent points, and I know some of us had that very same conversation on here (and with friends in RL). HOW Lucas chose to tell that story is what was awful. Anakin's fall from grace should have been heartbreaking and there should have definitely been way better action...maybe less Senate debates,. Oh well.


Pretty sure I will never get tired of watching the Vader rampage at the end of Rogue One.

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I never felt like Anakin reached grace to fall from.

That has always been one of my biggest gripes and why I was grinning ear to ear the last few minutes of Rogue one, it was never really established in the prequels that Anakin was a complete badass. In fact, if anything, the prequels make Obi Wan seem like the "chosen one."

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M.C. Swag said:

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CJS4715 said:

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Are you saying that the OT was only enjoyed by kids in the 70s?

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Don't think that's what he's meant. Nostalgia (member berries) bias is real. Kids of the late 90s/early 2000s liked the prequels for the same reasons kids of the 70s like the original. Older Star Wars fans like to bash Hayden Christensen's acting and whiny petulance but give Mark Hamil a pass when he basically did the same stuff. The bad CGI is a more modern version of the early costumes in ANH. (The cantina scenes with all the aliens in party city masks are pretty rough when you look at it today.)

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M.C. Swag said:

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And now we know why Jyn is seen on the beach running with the hard drive (data tape, whatever) - she lived originally. Holy crap - letting almost everyone live would have destroyed this story.

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Not sure that's entirely the case. I think that was simply editing. Originally the place where the plans were stolen and subsequently uploaded, were two different locations. I believe they just edited out the sequence of her running to the upload site and combined the locations to be in the same place.

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AliasMan02 said:

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The greatest feat of TCW was making me give a **** about Anakin. Even his relationship with Padme was believable.

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twilly said:

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Another observation about Rogue One...

In the Darth Vader bad ass killing scene, at the beginning, the only illumination comes from his igniting his light saber. What about the lights on his chest plate and belt? Wouldn't those have been seen in complete darkness?

And just to be sure, I rewatched his entrance into the Tantive IV in ANH, and sure enough, those lights were on.

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He's a Sith Lord and can control things with his mind....I'm willing to believe that includes dimming lights.

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Duncan Idaho said:

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The half in the bag guys did not care for it.

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twilly said:

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I'm curious, for those that had a problem with the CGI, what is an example of really good CGI use in depicting a real life person? Not a made up character that looks real, a simulation of an actual human being.

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It's like they took Tron Legacy and made it better. But they should have used better camera angle creativity to hide the CGI as much as possible.

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