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I'm still so confused by/annoyed at this whole plot point. What, again, was Reva trying to do? Exact revenge on Vader by killing the son he doesn't know he has? Kill Luke because she Anakin killed her friends? Even though that would make her JUST like Anakin, which was beyond obvious from the jump, and not something she should have finally realized at the last minute?

And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.

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1) Luke never sees her lightsaber. She turns it off when she goes outside to chase him. They very purposely made choices so that Luke would not see who it was other than someone in a dark cloak.

She clearly WASN'T a Tusker Raider, though. And she was still using the force to move rocks and sh*t.

2) Owen doesn't happily introduce him. He very begrudgingly introduces him. Owen doesn't do anything happily, he's an a-hole every time he's on screen.

Owen has a *literal* smile on his face and metaphorical twinkle in his eye when he asks Obi-Wan if he wants to meet Luke. I wasn't referring to every interaction before that moment. Point is, Owen actively introduces Obi-Wan to Luke, then, years later, is like, "Stay away from that crazy old man."

3) There's a huge difference between introducing your nephew to Ben in controlled circumstances and have Luke independently bring up the name "Obi-Wan Kenobi" - very specifically NOT BEN KENOBI - in reference to a droid that has come to the farm from an unknown source. Because BEN is an old harmless hermit, but OBI-WAN is a Jedi Knight who knows all of the darkest secrets in the galaxy and whose mistakes brought an Inquisitor to your farm 10 years ago and you were lucky as hell to not lose Luke then. So when the name OBI-WAN comes up, you tell Luke to stay away.

Are you really trying to tell me Luke thinks those are different people? Or trying to excuse the nonsense/story logic that Ben uses the exact same last name for both "characters"?

4) Reva spent 10 years plotting her revenge on Anakin/Vader and when she had her shot she failed and it nearly killed her. Then she found out Vader had a family out there, so she decided if she couldn't kill him, she'd kill his son. Sounds like the plot of just about every mafia/mob movie of all time.

Except that those mafia/mob bosses KNOW they have a son, and will feel terrible, tragic loss when their sons are dead. Even *if* the logic tracked, her motivations were muddy as hell and not at all explained clearly. She was a flat out horrible character, from start to finish.

Ha, really, the lengths you go to to apologize for this show are incredible. It's OK acknowledge that it missed the mark while ALSO being unapologetic in your enjoyment of it.

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Are you really trying to tell me Luke thinks those are different people?

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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies in advance. I've actually avoided it because I like the show, and well… not everyone here does.

All I could think about when Obi Wan walked away from Vader was Alderaan. That decision destroyed a whole planet that included his "friends" who he's trusted so much with watching Leia. Dude just left a Sith Lord chillin. Again.

All they had to do was have him sense Luke in trouble first, then he's justified in leaving. But nope. He goes back to Alderaan and everyone is all smiles. And all I can think is Obi Wan signed all their death sentences.

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helloimustbegoing said:

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TCTTS said:

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helloimustbegoing said:

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TCTTS said:

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I'm still so confused by/annoyed at this whole plot point. What, again, was Reva trying to do? Exact revenge on Vader by killing the son he doesn't know he has? Kill Luke because she Anakin killed her friends? Even though that would make her JUST like Anakin, which was beyond obvious from the jump, and not something she should have finally realized at the last minute?

And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.

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1) Luke never sees her lightsaber. She turns it off when she goes outside to chase him. They very purposely made choices so that Luke would not see who it was other than someone in a dark cloak.

She clearly WASN'T a Tusker Raider, though. And she was still using the force to move rocks and sh*t.

2) Owen doesn't happily introduce him. He very begrudgingly introduces him. Owen doesn't do anything happily, he's an a-hole every time he's on screen.

Owen has a *literal* smile on his face and metaphorical twinkle in his eye when he asks Obi-Wan if he wants to meet Luke. I wasn't referring to every interaction before that moment. Point is, Owen actively introduces Obi-Wan to Luke, then, years later, is like, "Stay away from that crazy old man."

3) There's a huge difference between introducing your nephew to Ben in controlled circumstances and have Luke independently bring up the name "Obi-Wan Kenobi" - very specifically NOT BEN KENOBI - in reference to a droid that has come to the farm from an unknown source. Because BEN is an old harmless hermit, but OBI-WAN is a Jedi Knight who knows all of the darkest secrets in the galaxy and whose mistakes brought an Inquisitor to your farm 10 years ago and you were lucky as hell to not lose Luke then. So when the name OBI-WAN comes up, you tell Luke to stay away.

Are you really trying to tell me Luke thinks those are different people? Or trying to excuse the nonsense/story logic that Ben uses the exact same last name for both "characters"?

4) Reva spent 10 years plotting her revenge on Anakin/Vader and when she had her shot she failed and it nearly killed her. Then she found out Vader had a family out there, so she decided if she couldn't kill him, she'd kill his son. Sounds like the plot of just about every mafia/mob movie of all time.

Except that those mafia/mob bosses KNOW they have a son, and will feel terrible, tragic loss when their sons are dead. Even *if* the logic tracked, her motivations were muddy as hell and not at all explained clearly. She was a flat out horrible character, from start to finish.

Ha, really, the lengths you go to to apologize for this show are incredible. It's OK acknowledge that it missed the mark while ALSO being unapologetic in your enjoyment of it.

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I thought it was a great show.

I'm not apologizing for Kenobi. I don't think it missed the mark.

The points I make seem super obvious to me as a lifetime Star Wars fan who has read probably 75-90% of the books and maybe 33%-50% of the comics.

I can't argue film techniques and choices with you because you have infinitely more knowledge on the subject than I do. But it takes me about 25 seconds to think about your questions and see the answer in Star Wars terms.

From what I can tell from years of previous discussions, you didn't watch the Clone Wars, didn't watch Rebels, didn't like the sequels, think Mando is canned and overly simplistic, hated Fett, and hated this. You and I have very different opinions of what Star Wars is and should be.

I'm grateful for every second and page of Star Wars content I can get. I understand you have higher standards for your entertainment fulfillment.

But you don't need to mock me for enjoying it.

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TCTTS said:

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"Influencer" is bad enough, but the term "reactor" somehow blows it away in terms of ridiculousness. Please tell me you just made that up and it isn't a title/job that people actually have.

(I'm not at all against people posting their reactions to things online, but legitimizing it in any way is insane.)

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