Wow, i cant even comprehend that.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I actually re-watched NTTD this afternoon while working in the garage. I'm still amazed that they actually ended it that way. And the one thing in all my years of watching 007 movies that I never would have anticipated, an emotional moment centered around Bond finding out he's a dad and then being incinerated a few minutes later.
This one is in my top 5 of 007 movies.
*** JAMES BOND : NO TIME TO DIE ***
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Not only that. Before he died he we basically told if he ever touched them again they would die.
So he was basically left with the choice of dying and never seeing them again, or living and not being able to ever be with them.
It was incredibly deep and emotional for a Bond film. Probably the most meaningful of the entire franchise. .
So he was basically left with the choice of dying and never seeing them again, or living and not being able to ever be with them.
It was incredibly deep and emotional for a Bond film. Probably the most meaningful of the entire franchise. .
Top 5 Daniel Craig Bond movie
Loved the movie but after just seeing James Bond die, after the credits are finished what is the last thing on the screen? James Bond Will Return
Give me a break!
Give me a break!
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
Just tell him it's the multiverse
I get your dad's reaction, because that was pretty much mine as well. Bond movies come with a set of expectation. Voluptuous women often with curious names. Gadgets. Awesome cars. Awesome scenery. Megalomaniac villains. (and many end with the word, "Oh James"). And Bond always wins. Which of course he did in this movie as well, except for the whole death thing.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
But his dying, as well as the emotional impact of that in light of his learning that he has a daughter, is precisely why I rate NTTD as one of the all-time best 007 movies. I remember sitting there, as this was unfolding on screen, and thinking, they're not really going to do this, are they? And then they did. That goes against all expectations. In movies like this, Hollywood typically doesn't have very big brass ones (case in point, had I written Jurassic World Dominion, I would have either flat out written the end of humanity, or would have set it up as to where that was going to be the obvious outcome). They killed James Bond in this movie, and kudos for doing so.
And yes, as they have done for the entire series, they will re-cast, and life will be good.
its totally different.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
the movie had zero substance or plot at all.
they didnt kill bond for dramatic effect, in some grand fashion ending a 60 year old dynasty; they did it to try to force a complete change in the whole point of the movies.
the allure of bond movies is glamour, exotic locations, charismatic villains, spies and ladies, cool tech, good one liners, and bond being a fantastic super hero with miraculous abilities, ideas, and escapes. they are generally told by quality story tellers, with plots that hold together and have rational arcs, though 'realism' is not a goal - it is glamorous fantasy.
they basically tried to kill all of that, except for some pretty scenery. the villain had zero development. bond was a retired loser. there was some rando hookup that this time resulted in a kid, with no emotional hook. the only attractive people in it were totally pointless and brief, the players all did irrational things, they had some frumpy, grumpy fat ***** trying to be the new bond, but without doing anything important, and they killed the old bond with no drama or emotional attachment or reason at all.
I haven't been this disappointed in a movie I'm a long time. Wow. The fact that it was delayed is even more upsetting. I am glad I didn't see this in person. It felt like DC couldn't give a rats ass and wanted to be done with it. They should have ended at skyfall. Three solid movies instead of the crap with spectre and now this crap. **** off
utah, get me two said:
I haven't been this disappointed in a movie I'm a long time. Wow. The fact that it was delayed is even more upsetting. I am glad I didn't see this in person. It felt like DC couldn't give a rats ass and wanted to be done with it. They should have ended at skyfall. Three solid movies instead of the crap with spectre and now this crap. **** off
How can you hate it so much if you still haven't even seen it yet?
I saw it two days ago
In person?
Online
I thought you said you didn't see it in person?
I didn't go physically to the movie theaters. I saw it on amazon
I had read that Daniel Craig was the one who actually pushed for the death of Bond when he left. Seems like an ego thing more than anything, and the studio was desperate for him to come back. So they likely said fine, do one more and the character can spend two hours doing handstands for all we care.
The series has gone back and forth between light hearted and serous - serious Connery to lighter super hero type in Moore, then serious Dalton to lighter Brosnan than back to serious with Craig,
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it got back to its lighter super hero side with the next person.
The series has gone back and forth between light hearted and serous - serious Connery to lighter super hero type in Moore, then serious Dalton to lighter Brosnan than back to serious with Craig,
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it got back to its lighter super hero side with the next person.
So you saw it in person. On Amazon.
You know what I meant
Ian Fleming tried to kill Bond in From Russia With Love. He was poisoned by Rosa Kleb and the book ended with him falling to the floor and losing consciousness. Bond fans from around the world were up in arms. So, in the next book, Dr No, it was revealed that Felix L was just arriving and did rudimentary CPR and kept him alive.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
ETA: at least that's what my old brain remembers. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
I have always known that Daniel Craig is the best of all Bonds-
crewcut, the only one really able to fight in close hand to hand combat, there is real emotion as a human being rather than a caricature.
I love the gritty realistic Bond over the flaming Bond comic book. maybe because I am a grown man and not a teenager.
it seems pretty simple to explain: "yes, the actor Daniel Craig wanted this to be his last movie as Bond so they killed his character. But there will be another 007 played by another actor in two more years"
I think even six year olds can grasp the concept.
crewcut, the only one really able to fight in close hand to hand combat, there is real emotion as a human being rather than a caricature.
I love the gritty realistic Bond over the flaming Bond comic book. maybe because I am a grown man and not a teenager.
it seems pretty simple to explain: "yes, the actor Daniel Craig wanted this to be his last movie as Bond so they killed his character. But there will be another 007 played by another actor in two more years"
I think even six year olds can grasp the concept.
Brosnan and Dalton are still the best for me. Would have killed to see Dalton in Goldeneye and Brosnan in Casino Royale
Finally caught this most recent Bond movie. Liked it.
Funny enough I completely skipped Spectre and only got halfway through QoS.
Agreed that Craig is a firm #2 Bond behind Connery, and I'd argue that some of the best Bond moments are with Craig.
Funny enough I completely skipped Spectre and only got halfway through QoS.
Agreed that Craig is a firm #2 Bond behind Connery, and I'd argue that some of the best Bond moments are with Craig.
TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
I agree with your dad. He's a gentleman and a scholar. Top Gun Maverick did so well because it gave audiences exactly what they wanted and expected in return for spending $100 of hard earned money to take the family to the theater.
This movie kicked ass right until they decided to get cute and kill Bond. Had he figured out a way to survive and let Q figure a cure, would have gone back to the theater 3 times like I did with TG Maverick. As it was, I rewatched it the other day because it was free on Amazon Prime.
I get where he's coming from, though. Especially for those in his generation that have been watching all the Bond films for decades since they were kids. There's a tradition among Bond films...they tell an incredible story, Bond wins in the end, and "James Bond will return" - even as they change actors and storylines.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
This one broke from that tradition. It would be like killing Spiderman or Batman at the end of a film, younger generations that grew up with the those movies would probably react in the same way as your dad.
I still really enjoyed No Time To Die. I've loved the Craig series. But it did kind of feel like they weren't really sure what to do with the storyline and character post-Skyfall. In hindsight, it might have made more sense for them to do a reboot with a new actor after Skyfall. But I'll take as much of Craig as I can get. The Craig era definitely set a new standard for the Bond universe. Even with its flaws.
Completely agree with this.Gigem314 said:I get where he's coming from, though. Especially for those in his generation that have been watching all the Bond films for decades since they were kids. There's a tradition among Bond films...they tell an incredible story, Bond wins in the end, and "James Bond will return" - even as they change actors and storylines.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
This one broke from that tradition. It would be like killing Spiderman or Batman at the end of a film, younger generations that grew up with the those movies would probably react in the same way as your dad.
I still really enjoyed No Time To Die. I've loved the Craig series. But it did kind of feel like they weren't really sure what to do with the storyline and character post-Skyfall. In hindsight, it might have made more sense for them to do a reboot with a new actor after Skyfall. But I'll take as much of Craig as I can get. The Craig era definitely set a new standard for the Bond universe. Even with its flaws.
This is a good take.Gigem314 said:I get where he's coming from, though. Especially for those in his generation that have been watching all the Bond films for decades since they were kids. There's a tradition among Bond films...they tell an incredible story, Bond wins in the end, and "James Bond will return" - even as they change actors and storylines.TCTTS said:
My dad COULD NOT wrap his head around Bond dying. He called me the second he and my mom left the theater, ranting and raving that Bond isn't supposed to die. I told him I get that, but they chose to do something different with this iteration, and that they're eventually going to reboot the character with a new actor/new timeline. "But he DIED!" my dad kept saying. No matter how many times I tried to explain that they were going to recast the role, like they'd been doing since Connery, he STILL didn't get it. And this was coming from an otherwise very smart person, who sees tons of movies, understands reboots, etc. But for some reason, this particular plot development had his brain in a pretzel. It was so funny.
This one broke from that tradition. It would be like killing Spiderman or Batman at the end of a film, younger generations that grew up with the those movies would probably react in the same way as your dad.
I still really enjoyed No Time To Die. I've loved the Craig series. But it did kind of feel like they weren't really sure what to do with the storyline and character post-Skyfall. In hindsight, it might have made more sense for them to do a reboot with a new actor after Skyfall. But I'll take as much of Craig as I can get. The Craig era definitely set a new standard for the Bond universe. Even with its flaws.
Speaking as one who has been watching these in theaters since the 70s, I will say that I rank NTTD very highly among all the 007 movies precisely because they had the cajones to kill James Bond. That act alone made it not another typical 007 movie, plus it had a compelling story with supporting characters that I found appealing. And one of the best musical scores (not talking the pop singer song, but the Hans Zimmer score) of all these movies.
https://instagr.am/p/Ct6aykjRDYw
Wasn't sure the best place to put this, but my first reaction is that I love this idea.
Edit: doesn't seem like there is any serious interest that this will actually happen, the article below just talks about how he auditioned for the role in 2006. Not sure why it's making the rounds again, other than Cavill being appropriately aged now.
https://deadline.com/2023/06/henry-cavill-would-have-made-an-excellent-james-bond-says-casino-royale-director-martin-campbell-1235423810/amp/
Wasn't sure the best place to put this, but my first reaction is that I love this idea.
Edit: doesn't seem like there is any serious interest that this will actually happen, the article below just talks about how he auditioned for the role in 2006. Not sure why it's making the rounds again, other than Cavill being appropriately aged now.
https://deadline.com/2023/06/henry-cavill-would-have-made-an-excellent-james-bond-says-casino-royale-director-martin-campbell-1235423810/amp/
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