*** JAMES BOND : NO TIME TO DIE ***

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whiryno said:

While the idea may play out fine/harmless, why they are making that into news worthy spoiler leaks is kinda crazy. Bond has been about a good looking spy who gets to play with really cool tech gadgets, hook up with multiple hot women and usually has a strong, sexy traditional woman supporting him throughout. What were they thinking the obvious direct targeted audience for these films reaction would be? Somehow it would help at the box office if 75% of the fanbase would consider boycotting? Film makers get to make their choices, and so do their customers. Bewildering some of these choices with the lack of vision.

TC responding basically acknowledging he isn't a Bond fan but telling everyone else they're being ridiculous - as the target audience, no less - is pretty deaf.



Ha, I'm being deaf? Congratulations on having *the* most ironic post in the thread.

First of all, no one needs to have seen all 24 Bond movies to understand the character. I've still seen EIGHT movies with the character and have read countless takes and articles, seen documentaries, clips, etc. He's not that complicated of a figure. Understanding him isn't rocket science, and it doesn't take five decades of research and experience to comprehend all that he is.

But to the issue at hand, it's insane to me how little reading comprehension critics of this decision are exercising. The conclusions being jumped to are flat out ridiculous. Do you guys just completely ignore the takes that aren't in line with your own gut reaction? Or do you read them but you're simply incapable of understanding nuance or the context or the logical arguments continually being presented? I truly don't get it.

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Bond has been about a good looking spy who gets to play with really cool tech gadgets, hook up with multiple hot women and usually has a strong, sexy traditional woman supporting him throughout.

Please, point me in the direction where anyone has said that any of this is going away. What makes you think they're suddenly stripping Bond of everything that makes Bond Bond? Why do people like you keep jumping to these conclusions based on nothing more than conjecture? The rest of your post reads as if the filmmakers officially unveiled a billboard in Times Square with a black female on it that says 'THE NEW JAMES BOND! #SJW #METOO" and the only way to combat the elitists and their announcement is to organize a mass boycott or something (a "strategy" that only crazed fanboys have ever "participated" in; one that has never once worked).

For all we know, this whole 007 thing is going to comprise ONE scene of the movie and it's over and done with and dismissed in winking fashion, like a fart in the wind. The Daily Mail report - which is a dubious outlet at best when it comes to Hollywood news - gives hardly any context. It's all the "Hollywood and its socialist agenda!" crazies who are stoking the fire and turning this into something WAY bigger than it actually is, and people like you are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

It's like once every six weeks all the blowhards here decide to get worked up about what ALWAYS turns out to be NOTHING. Over and over and over again. With the exact same result every single time. From First Man to Godzilla: King of the Monsters, and everything in between, all the "outrage" is nothing more than manufactured bullsh*t. The final product is never as bad as the mob even remotely suggests. It never ceases to amaze me how this fact is ignored time and time again.
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Ervin Burrell said:

fig96 said:

Those of you who think this is being done solely in the name of political correctness and not largely because the studio thinks the idea will get attention and make money make me smile.
"Captialism is BADASS...but only if it's done the way I want." [/texags]

This sums up the situation/outrage perfectly.
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TCTTS said:

Ervin Burrell said:

fig96 said:

Those of you who think this is being done solely in the name of political correctness and not largely because the studio thinks the idea will get attention and make money make me smile.
"Captialism is BADASS...but only if it's done the way I want." [/texags]

This sums up the situation/outrage perfectly.
Being politically correct is a business tactic for financial gains too, just look at nike and espn....
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i love how you continue to ignore the tradition and history of bond in order to satisfy your opinion
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That's exactly what I'm saying, and what I think Ervin is alluding to as well. Businesses use political correctness all the time to make money. But all the posters who preach capitalism at all costs in forum 16 suddenly hate it when companies and people they disagree with try to make money off of ideals they don't like.
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azulAg said:

i love how you continue to ignore the tradition and history of bond in order to satisfy your opinion
What am I ignoring? I genuinely don't understand.
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Other than "Bond has always been a guy" what is it ignoring? It's part of Bond cannon that the 007 moniker can be passed down, and there's nothing that's ever said it couldn't be a female.
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Your sound logic and reasoning has no place in this thread.
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For all we know, this whole 007 thing is going to comprise ONE scene of the movie and it's over and done with and dismissed in winking fashion, like a fart in the wind.
Of everyone on this board, you seem to have the most connections and you are saying you do not know, if this is the case. When producers take a well-known character and turn them into something else (for instance a black, Little Orphan Annie) they are going to catch flack. When that version bombs, it is the "racists' or "sexists' fault, not then idiot producer's.

I do not care whether a character is black, white, or purple, male, female, or gay, unless that character an is an already established one. I just ask that the actors can faithfully portray the character. Like I said in an earlier post, if this is a case of the 007 being assigned to new agent, then fine, but don't call the agent James Bond. You seem to think this is the case, but 'for all we know' you could be wrong.
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For all we know, this whole 007 thing is going to comprise ONE scene of the movie and it's over and done with and dismissed in winking fashion, like a fart in the wind.
Of everyone on this board, you seem to have the most connections and you are saying you do not know, if this is the case. When producers take a well-known character and turn them into something else (for instance a black, Little Orphan Annie) they are going to catch flack. When that version bombs, it is the "racists' or "sexists' fault, not then idiot producer's.

I do not care whether a character is black, white, or purple, male, female, or gay, unless that character an is an already established one. I just ask that the actors can faithfully portray the character. Like I said in an earlier post, if this is a case of the 007 being assigned to new agent, then fine, but don't call the agent James Bond. You seem to think this is the case, but 'for all we know' you could be wrong.

Sorry, just want to make sure I'm reading this right...are you saying that you're concerned they're going to call a female 007 literally "James Bond"?
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TCTTS said:

Ervin Burrell said:

fig96 said:

Those of you who think this is being done solely in the name of political correctness and not largely because the studio thinks the idea will get attention and make money make me smile.
"Captialism is BADASS...but only if it's done the way I want." [/texags]

This sums up the situation/outrage perfectly.
Being politically correct is a business tactic for financial gains too, just look at nike and espn....
I despise political correctness...but not as much as I love the ability of firms in a free market to freely do what they think gives them the best chance to increase profits.
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A lot of people saying that the 007 code number is a revolving one - curious, which movie is this confirmed in? Not disagreeing, just didn't realize this before.
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For all we know, this whole 007 thing is going to comprise ONE scene of the movie and it's over and done with and dismissed in winking fashion, like a fart in the wind.
Of everyone on this board, you seem to have the most connections and you are saying you do not know, if this is the case. When producers take a well-known character and turn them into something else (for instance a black, Little Orphan Annie) they are going to catch flack. When that version bombs, it is the "racists' or "sexists' fault, not then idiot producer's.

I do not care whether a character is black, white, or purple, male, female, or gay, unless that character an is an already established one. I just ask that the actors can faithfully portray the character. Like I said in an earlier post, if this is a case of the 007 being assigned to new agent, then fine, but don't call the agent James Bond. You seem to think this is the case, but 'for all we know' you could be wrong.

I'll be honest, I have no idea the point you're trying to make anymore. And fig96 seems just as confused as I do.

No one is "turning" the character of James Bond into "something else." In the world of this fictional movie-verse, the main character - whose name is James Bond - retired. In the world of this fictional movie-verse, protocol dictates that his agent code number - 007 - be reassigned upon retirement. A black female agent was then given that code number. It is literally nothing more than that. James Bond is still James Bond. A magical fairy didn't wave her wand and suddenly turn him into a black female. The new 007 didn't take his name, his powers, his abilities, his smarts, or his proclivity for bedding beautiful women. All she has now is nothing more than his government ID number - again, as protocol dictates within the canon of the franchise. James Bond as played by Daniel Craig remains the one and only star of the movie. And this being his last go in the role, the filmmakers are smart enough not take the focus away from Craig/Bond in any significant way.

It's utterly insane to me that people can't comprehend these basic facts or that they see this as anything more than the winky/jokey/minor obstacle of a plot device it's almost assuredly meant to be.
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There's been like 6 dudes playing him for the past 50+ years?
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

A lot of people saying that the 007 code number is a revolving one - curious, which movie is this confirmed in? Not disagreeing, just didn't realize this before.
In the books and other films there have been a variety of other agents with the same 00-numbers, so it would hold that 007 could also be reassigned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/00_Agent
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I do not spend a lot of time on this board, but it looks like you are the poster most likely to know what is going on in Hollywood. You said "for all we know" which is the same thing as sounds like "I don't have clue." I do not have a problem with a female 007, a black 007, or a short dumpy 007, as long as the agent is British.

As far as a female James Bond, while not common, there are women named James. Usually it is a nickname for a woman named Jamie, but there are some actually named James. I would not put it past Hollywood to do this.

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taxpreparer said:

I do not spend a lot of time on this board, but it looks like you are the poster most likely to know what is going on in Hollywood. You said "for all we know" which is the same thing as "I don;t have clue." I do not have a problem with a female 007, a black 007, or a short dumpy 007, as long as the agent is British.

As far as a female James Bond, while not common, there are women named James. Usually it is a nickname for a woman named Jamie, but there are some actually named James. I would not put it past Hollywood to do this.

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"For all we know" was in reference to the amount of screen time the new 007 character may or may not have. That was pretty explicit and clear. The context clues - which I have explained ad nauseam - point to it not being size-able role, however.

And there is literally NO scenario in which they give this black female agent character the name "James Bond." There isn't even a hint of that in a single report, while I and many others have explained why they would never in a million years do this. This is pure and utter conjecture on your part based on nothing more than your bias ideas of how Hollywood operates.

I don't even know what to say anymore. You guys are literally just making sh*t up to be angry about now. It's maddening.
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I guess seeing different random guys playing the different 00's could be interpreted that way, but I just figured none of the previous movies were related to each other in any way until the Craig series.

I was thinking there was a solid confirmation via dialogue or in one particular movie.
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At that Wiki link, there are plenty examples from the books - Fleming's and otherwise - of the same 00 number being reassigned to different agents. However, I don't know that there's been explicit dialogue in the movies stating as much.
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Thanks for the kudos on my post... I'm not outraged at the choice, but I think it's completely predictable that this would be the response from this fan base - regardless of how it ends up playing out. That's what I'm commenting on. This was purposefully leaked as a spoiler.

I'm not in the entertainment industry, you are. Maybe all publicity is good publicity, maybe not. The fact this thread is 12 pages on the entertainment board (let alone the forum 16 thread) is funny to me.

Meant no offense at your ability to understand a character at 8 films. More of a fact that most 007 fanatics, and target audience I'm assuming, might have a different analysis than you on films.
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Random, fun exercise. Given that many of our iconic American roles were cast with Brits, what American would you cast as James Bond?
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Jake Gyllenhaal
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Jon Hamm
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Damn. That is good.
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alessandro nivola
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Matt Bomer
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Chris Evans

Or

The lead dude from the tv show Suits

Or

Joshua Jackson
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Sorry. I'm a few days.late to the Little Mermaid outrage

1) I'm just disappointed Idris Elba didn't get a chance

2) I wonder why they went went African and not Asian.
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I don't know that he'd particularly be into the ladies, but it *is* acting and he is a Texan, so I'd be down.

First choice is Hamm, though. Great call, schmendeler.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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Evans is gay?
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matt bomer
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Oops.

Had to google him, looks like a discount Henry Cavill. Might as well get the real thing, hah.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Random, fun exercise. Given that many of our iconic American roles were cast with Brits, what American would you cast as James Bond?
Woody Allen.
 
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