Screen Rant posted their pitch meeting a couple of days ago, one of the better ones recently. Huge Spoilers, so don't watch if you haven't seen the film.

I don't think they explicitly stated they reproduce. I think the plot answer here is that there are millions of them on you when you get infected and as you make contact with people they start jumping from carrier to carrier.

A better question is why did Marin even tell Madeline he wanted her to put on Blofeld death bot perfume? Why not just shake her hand at the beginning of their meeting and then go about your day without revealing your plot? You get the perfect assassination weapon and you compromise it by telling a potentially unwilling actor about your plan?

But would she have even touched him otherwise? The plan was that she had to touch him. She of course gets cold feet, and then it's Bond who touches him, but only because he's pissed at him.

Yeah I had the same thought, also the eotech sight on Bond's gun would've gone out (though I suppose this could have happened we just wouldn't know)

Haha yeah it's funny in posts complaining about the movie's lack of realism people are also complaining about Malek's character not laying out every little detail of his plan… Why would that happen? I would've been fine with it as it's kind of standard at this point, but there's a reason exposition heavy material is often criticized.

I do admit, you've swayed me somewhat. You bring up some good points I literally forgot about (henchmen, the note, etc), and I do love your Safin take. In the immediate wake, I think I was probably a bit too high in my excitement from being back in an IMAX theater for the first time in nearly two years. My fervor has waned somewhat since then, though I still absolutely love the overall look/vibe of the movie, and still think it's Craig's best performance yet in the role.

Yeah, it seemed like a couple of key lines of dialogue would have made things make a lot more sense regarding Malek's character's motivation. Maybe they got cut in editing?

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Did anyone take note of Bond telling Madeline "They have all the time in the world" in the opening while driving the winding road in the Aston Martin - the same line Bond (Lazenby) said to Tracy right before or after she was shot and killed at the end of OHMSS? Right after they were married.

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Yep, I noticed that and had the same association to OHMSS.

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Did anyone take note of Bond telling Madeline "They have all the time in the world" in the opening while driving the winding road in the Aston Martin - the same line Bond (Lazenby) said to Tracy right before or after she was shot and killed at the end of OHMSS? Right after they were married.

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I could be wrong but I think they tried to sneak in a reference in some way to every previous bond film.

Dr No opening.
"We have all the time in the world"
Vesper piano theme
Aston Martin license plate #
Garden of death (book reference)
Ugly bulldog statue
"****oo"

I'm sure there are a ton more.

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Of you really want associations, did anyone catch what I took to be a Forrest Gump reference? I thought it was just me but then my wife said she caught it too when we got out of the theater.

it's when Felix is dying and he's in Bond's hands just like Bubba is in Forrest Gump and he says that "I was a shrimp boat captain in another life"

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Obviously Bubba had his shrimp stuff in Forrest Gump, but not sure why this would reference that. Jeffery Wright wasn't involved in that, and I'm not sure anyone in NTTD was involved in Forrest Gump. I felt like it may be more of a coincidence than a reference.

A reference to not wanting to be eaten by sharks would have been awesome, since Felix was fed to sharks in License to Kill.

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TMfrisco said:

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Did anyone take note of Bond telling Madeline "They have all the time in the world" in the opening while driving the winding road in the Aston Martin - the same line Bond (Lazenby) said to Tracy right before or after she was shot and killed at the end of OHMSS? Right after they were married.

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I could be wrong but I think they tried to sneak in a reference in some way to every previous bond film.

Dr No opening.
"We have all the time in the world"
Vesper piano theme
Aston Martin license plate #
Garden of death (book reference)
Ugly bulldog statue
"****oo"

I'm sure there are a ton more.

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I did notice some of them, but didn't notice enough to think they were trying to get them all in. When I get to see it again, I'll look for more.

TMfrisco said:

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Did anyone take note of Bond telling Madeline "They have all the time in the world" in the opening while driving the winding road in the Aston Martin - the same line Bond (Lazenby) said to Tracy right before or after she was shot and killed at the end of OHMSS? Right after they were married.

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Not only that, but did you stay for the rolling credits? They played the song, too.

Let me first say that I've absolutely LOVED the Craig films - all of them. Some are better than others, but I've enjoyed each one. The Craig series has raised the bar for Bond movies. It's done for me with Bond what the Nolan series did with Batman. Such a fun ride. At the end of the day, I watch these for the entertainment and adventure - and they all deliver. Craig killed it as Bond. Other than Connery who started it all, I don't think any of the other Bonds comes close. Goldeneye was the first Bond I saw on the big screen so that will always be special to me, but outside of that and the early Connery movies I don't think the other films can touch the Craig series.

That said, I did come away slightly disappointed after seeing NTTD.

Dislikes:
The nanobots. This seemed like the "invisible car" moment for the Craig series. The thing that made the Craig films so great was the 'realistic' feel (which I understand is still relative in the Bond universe). But for me this turned the 'fiction' up to 11. The idea just felt out of place for this series.

Killing off Spectre. Another great aspect of the Craig series was the layers of villains. There was always a connection to something bigger - it wasn't just one "big bad". But completely taking out Spectre and having Safin be the "ultimate bad" just seemed like lazing writing. And conveniently EVERY MEMBER of Spectre other than Blofeld just happened to be at that club in Cuba to be taken out by the nanobots? It felt very forced.

Too little screen time for Ana de Armas. Her performance was fantastic, but from the promos you would have thought she played a prominent role in the film - at least equal to Lashana Lynch. Not the case at all. I realize they had to pack a lot into this film, but she seemed to have a much smaller role than was marketed. She would have been great in a bigger role. Hopefully this gets her other parts in spy thrillers, because she's a good fit.

M - His character just seemed really off in this one. Guilt over his decisions? I don't know. But Mallory seemed very out of character, and not in a good way. And I'd really enjoyed Fiennes in that role. (Looking forward to the new Kingsman)

And the big one. Killing Bond.
I get that they wanted a special send-off for Craig. But it just seemed to go against what we've seen in all the previous Bond films. Maybe that's why they did it. But again, the whole nanobot 'poison' thing being the catalyst for him staying behind and not getting away (the water was right there) just seemed very forced to me. Plus giving him a daughter and potential family, then taking it all away. Maybe that rubbed me wrong as a parent. Guilty of my bias there. It had a very 'Logan' feel to it - which wasn't my preference. But that's just me.

I do understand the "gut wrenching" undertone to the storyline because that fits with the entire series. We see it in CR with Bond finding happiness with Vesper, only to have it wrecked by her perceived betrayal and death. We see it with Bond capturing Vesper's BF in QoS, only to find no satisfaction. We see it in SkyFall with Bond going out of his way to protect M, only to still lose her. So having Bond walk away from Madeline over lack of trust, lose 5 years with her and their child, then get drawn back in to gain his new family, only to never be able to see them again - fits the arch. I was just hoping they'd have given Craig's Bond a more peaceful end after being drawn in with the daughter.

It felt like the writing wasn't as good as it could have been. They knew they wanted to give Craig a send-off and tie in elements from Spectre and the previous Craig films. But it seemed a bit messy in getting there. I'm sure I'll enjoy this one more as I rewatch.

But don't get me wrong, I still really enjoyed the film. The visuals were AMAZING. The action sequences were the best I've ever seen in a Bond film. The hand-to-hand combat scenes in the stairwell at the end were raw and fit so well with the overall Craig series.

I'm nit-picking because…well…Bond is on my Mt. Rushmore of movie series with Star Wars and Indy. What can I say.

I'm sure as I rewatch I'll grow to like it more. I was just hoping for a better storyline. But I'm also not trying to "Last Jedi" this one either. It was still a fun ride. I'll never complain about getting 'one more' Craig film when it looked like he was done after Spectre. Honestly, the scenes at the beginning with the Aston Martin were worth it enough for me. That was one of the best opening sequences IMO. And like many, I'm probably guilty of holding NTTD up to the level of Skyfall and Casino Royale - which are hard to equal or top.

For my final rank of the Craig series, I go with:

1. Skyfall
2. Casino Royale


3. No Time To Die
4. Spectre

5. Quantum

The most unrealistic part was Paloma hiding a pistol in that dress.

Regarding the cemetery ambush, I took casting suspicion on Madeleine to be a backup plan once the ambush failed. What I don't understand is why Safin sent a small army to kidnap her in Norway.

Yeah, I really didn't get his motivation for messing with her after he got what he wanted with regards to Spectre. I even thought he'd basically said he just needed one favor from her and then he'd be done.

This isn't a spoiler thread. Not sure when spoilers are allowed in here

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This isn't a spoiler thread. Not sure when spoilers are allowed in here

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ok, if i post any, i'll use the tags. i thought this board had at least an "unofficial" policy on when tags could stop being used, just wasn't sure when that was.

A bit late to the party, but I just saw it last night and found myself really enjoying it despite the obvious flaws.

Pros:
The best bond action ever?
Really enjoyed Bond's emotional ark and story. It felt like this was the movie where Bond was most human

Cons:
Plot holes
Poor villain

I see a lot of chatter about "why didn't spectre kill Bond with a better plan at the start." What I took from the prison scene is that killing Bond wasn't the point. Driving him off the grid into a prison of loneliness was, and the villain had succeeded. Why kill him later then? To test and prove Hercules.

I also wondered why Bond's watch didn't fry his own earpiece, but reflecting back on it, it might have had a range of a few inches and then it just fries a whole system attached to the device you use it on. He had to put it right next to the electronic lock when entering the facility.

I wish the bad guy (who I'm just going to call Dr. No. Can't stop me.) had better explained what is end goal was to someone. It's not like he doesn't try to explain himself to Swan and Bond, it just wasn't a good explanation. But I'll take that void and fill it with my own motive for him - He was basically going to use the nanobots to be a Bond version of the Hydra plot from Captain America Winter Soldier. Kill anyone who can cause disorder to create an orderly world he controls.

As for
Why did he let the girl so easily run away when she was his only leverage
Why didn't he just shake Swan's hand to get the nanobots on her
How *was* Blofeld running spectre from inside a prison

And other plot holes. I've got nothing. But hell, I thought the movie was a hell of a ride and the stairwell action scene at the end was nails. Rank this right before Casino Royale for best Craig Bond movie.

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As for
Why did he let the girl so easily run away when she was his only leverage
Why didn't he just shake Swan's hand to get the nanobots on her
How *was* Blofeld running spectre from inside a prison

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1. I don't have an answer to this one.
2. The point wasn't to get the nanobots on Swan. The point was to make sure Bond and Swan could never be together. Infecting Bond accomplished that.
3. He communicated using his fake eye to communicate with the fake eye of his henchman. Now, why anybody did what he said is another story.

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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As for
Why did he let the girl so easily run away when she was his only leverage
Why didn't he just shake Swan's hand to get the nanobots on her
How *was* Blofeld running spectre from inside a prison

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1. I don't have an answer to this one.
2. The point wasn't to get the nanobots on Swan. The point was to make sure Bond and Swan could never be together. Infecting Bond accomplished that.
3. He communicated using his fake eye to communicate with the fake eye of his henchman. Now, why anybody did what he said is another story.

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Oh, on point 2, I meant when he visited Swan at her office and gave her the nanobot perfume. I wasn't referring to him infecting Bond at the end

Point 3 - ah, I didn't realize blofeld had a robotic fake eye the whole time he was in prison. I thought he'd been one eyed in there the whole time.

Aggie_Journalist said:

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Rex Racer said:

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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As for
Why did he let the girl so easily run away when she was his only leverage
Why didn't he just shake Swan's hand to get the nanobots on her
How *was* Blofeld running spectre from inside a prison

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1. I don't have an answer to this one.
2. The point wasn't to get the nanobots on Swan. The point was to make sure Bond and Swan could never be together. Infecting Bond accomplished that.
3. He communicated using his fake eye to communicate with the fake eye of his henchman. Now, why anybody did what he said is another story.

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Oh, on point 2, I meant when he visited Swan at her office and gave her the nanobot perfume. I wasn't referring to him infecting Bond at the end

Point 3 - ah, I didn't realize blofeld had a robotic fake eye the whole time he was in prison. I thought he'd been one eyed in there the whole time.

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Ah, okay. I misunderstood point 2. Yeah, that could have been accomplished as you said.

I didn't think the end goal of the entire plot was to infect Bond. Seemed like the nanobot virus was simply the only weapon of revenge left to a defeated Safin to spoil Bond's victory. As for Blofeld, Madeleine was just the vector for delivering the nanobot virus to Blofeld because Safin believed she would be the only one who could get close enough to him. Also, Blofeld never has a robotic eye in prison. His eye was rendered useless in SPECTRE and not replaced.

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I didn't think the end goal of the entire plot was to infect Bond. Seemed like the nanobot virus was simply the only weapon of revenge left to a defeated Safin to spoil Bond's victory. As for Blofeld, Madeleine was just the vector for delivering the nanobot virus to Blofeld because Safin believed she would be the only one who could get close enough to him. Also, Blofeld never has a robotic eye in prison. His eye was rendered useless in SPECTRE and not replaced.

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Blofeld definitely had a robotic eye in prison and there was a whole scene about Q trying to hack the eye after he finds it

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G Martin 87 said:

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I didn't think the end goal of the entire plot was to infect Bond. Seemed like the nanobot virus was simply the only weapon of revenge left to a defeated Safin to spoil Bond's victory. As for Blofeld, Madeleine was just the vector for delivering the nanobot virus to Blofeld because Safin believed she would be the only one who could get close enough to him. Also, Blofeld never has a robotic eye in prison. His eye was rendered useless in SPECTRE and not replaced.

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Blofeld definitely had a robotic eye in prison and there was a whole scene about Q trying to hack the eye after he finds it

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Headsmack. Ah, of course. I had mixed up where Q got the eye, thinking it was the one in Cuba and forgetting there has to be an eye on Blofeld's end too. Which raises the questions (1) why did MI6 give him a replacement eye in the first place with communication capabilities, and (2) who built the second one?

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Guitarsoup said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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I didn't think the end goal of the entire plot was to infect Bond. Seemed like the nanobot virus was simply the only weapon of revenge left to a defeated Safin to spoil Bond's victory. As for Blofeld, Madeleine was just the vector for delivering the nanobot virus to Blofeld because Safin believed she would be the only one who could get close enough to him. Also, Blofeld never has a robotic eye in prison. His eye was rendered useless in SPECTRE and not replaced.

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Blofeld definitely had a robotic eye in prison and there was a whole scene about Q trying to hack the eye after he finds it

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Headsmack. Ah, of course. I had mixed up where Q got the eye, thinking it was the one in Cuba and forgetting there has to be an eye on Blofeld's end too. Which raises the questions (1) why did MI6 give him a replacement eye in the first place with communication capabilities, and (2) who built the second one?

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His eye was injured in the helicopter crash and so somehow Spectre got it to him through the British medical care. Being a big enough organization with pretty significant resources, they were able to do it somehow.

Biggest thing to me is something like that would use pretty significant power resources. How did it charge? You can't fit a very big battery in an eyeball.

Sawnn no it last night. Thought it was one of the better Bond movies.

"Those come with fur now" was one of the better one liners.