*** JAMES BOND : NO TIME TO DIE ***

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In reply to TCTTS • 8:43a, 10/11/21
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TCTTS said:

1. No Time to Die
2. First 3/4 of Spectre
3. Skyfall
4. Casino Royale
5. Quantum of Solace
6. Last 1/4 of Spectre
This is an absolutely absurd set of rankings but I appreciate that you posted it.

Glad you finally got to see and enjoyed NTTD though.

I hope someday you'll marathon all the old Bond movies because I think you could generate some incredibly hot takes from them.
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9:43a, 10/11/21
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Saw it yesterday with the wife and we both really enjoyed it. Echoing what many others have said about some of the best scenes, and I think Ana de Armas may be the most beautiful person on the planet so obviously wished she had been in every scene.

Also ending with a pretty similar Craig rankings as seems most are
1. Skyfall
2. Casino Royale
3. No Time
4. Spectre
5. Quantum

While I really really love Skyfall and Casino and they are both in my top 5 Bonds, I think the others may be improved by thinking of his 5 as one giant 13 hour movie and story line.

That is one of the things that always bothered me about the Craig movies is the continuation of so many storylines and the fact that they are essentially sequels rather than stand alone movies, which I think CR and Skyfall are the least of, which may also contribute to why I like them the best.

Also, I'm not sure if its an attempt to be with the times and seem more respectful, but Craig's Bond falls much more in love with his women instead of the traditional hit it and quit it. Frankly I'm a fan of the wham bam thank you maam
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10:34a, 10/11/21
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This movie had some of the biggest emotional moments in the franchise history, I agree with the opinion [Warning: Spoilers] written by David Mitchell (of, "Are we the baddies?" Mitchell and Webb / Peep Show)

The emotions delivered in the final act were earned by decades of other actors and filmmakers, and I'm not sure Craig, or this movie, earned the right to channel those. They spent the credit that others built creating an audience, um, bond with a character.

But, on its own, it could have been a fantastic spy movie. With any other character it could have gotten out of the weeds trying to untangle the disappointment from Spectre. I'm a decently smart guy, and I'm not sure I fully grasped the antagonist's motivations. Simply a God-complex? Just a logical next step in his family's poison terror business? Tighten that up and make the hero anyone but Bond and make that exact film and I would have really enjoyed it.

But as it is, this movie will never be one I will likely revisit. And until I figure out whether I simply erase it from my head cannon, I'm not sure I will re-watch any of the Craig movies again.
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11:19a, 10/11/21
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If I were king of the world, or at least, decision maker in the future of Bond:

Create an Amazon Prime show that is released in the years between theatrical Bond films.

Maybe title the series MI6, and title each episode 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008, 009... and make each an hour/90 mins and tell all the stories of the other agents. M, Q, Moneypenny, and cross over from the various agents in the universe throughout with maybe a slight season arc, but primarily independent films.

Re-boot the universe in the 1950s or 60s to give the spy, rather than the computer, the driver's seat. Fashion/cars era appropriate - but race/sex relationships can be modern. You're not making Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy - I don't care if there is black man who is M, or a woman who is a badass spy. Almost Archer-like in setting, if that can be done without late-Roger Moore level cheese.

Dev Patel or Karen Gillian, go look at every actor who was in Harry Potter, Dr Who or Game of Thrones and they could be a Double O.

Ideas for casting:

M - Idris Elba. I understand the connection to Bond, but he is 49 years old, and the next Bond will likely be through 4 or 5 movies over 15 years. While we're 15 years too late casting Elba as Bond, he has the gravitas to be a great M. It'd be awesome to make the first show in the Amazon Prime universe show about field agent Elba's character's final mission and becoming M. (Alternative: Hugo Weaving)

Q - Richard Ayoade. Walks into the role with nerd creditials to be Q. (Alternative: Simon Pegg or Stephen Fry)

Bond - not sure. Would want an actor 30-35 years old, old enough to play a Naval Commander, but young enough to give 15 years without looking grandpa Bond. Alot of the names are in their mid-40s. Could Spiderman or Harry Potter be Bond, or would it need to be an unknown? I guess Taron Eggerton would be my first choice?

Most importantly, make Bond fun. I realize Craig's era was a reaction to Bourne, Mission Impossible, and put some needed distance between Bond and Austin Powers, but I don't want to see Bond drinking because of PTSD. That is real, and likely the actual Bond would have psychological issues that could lead to alcoholism, but I'd prefer a Bond that wants to be Bond. Start the next Bond movie with a panning shot across a cafe in London with uncredited extras Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan drinking coffee and playing chess.


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In reply to sayas2005 • 1:34p, 10/11/21
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Maybe I don't speak for everyone but when they killed Daniel Craig's version of Bond, the last thing I was thinking about was Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton, or Brosnan. I was only focused on the few relationships that Craig's version managed to develop in his own storyline.
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3:36p, 10/11/21
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In reply to PDWT_12 • 3:42p, 10/11/21
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TCTTS said:

1. No Time to Die
2. First 3/4 of Spectre
3. Skyfall
4. Casino Royale
5. Quantum of Solace
6. Last 1/4 of Spectre
This is an absolutely absurd set of rankings but I appreciate that you posted it.

Glad you finally got to see and enjoyed NTTD though.

I hope someday you'll marathon all the old Bond movies because I think you could generate some incredibly hot takes from them.


I rewatched Spectre for the first time since seeing it in theaters yesterday in preparation for NTTD.

About half way through, I was thinking, this isn't bad at all. Why I earth was I so hard on it at the time.

Then I got to the Blowfeld scenes and was like oh yeah.
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In reply to c-jags • 3:55p, 10/11/21
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I lost it here.

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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:05p, 10/11/21
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Oh, come on. These movies are still supposed to be fun and cheeky at times, and that bit didn't last more than five seconds. Besides, it's no different than Bond straightening his tie in the middle of an intense chase scene after landing on the train car when the roof is ripped off by the excavator in Skyfall.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:09p, 10/11/21
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Spectre went way too campy. It was supposed to be a Craig movie, not a Moore movie.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:12p, 10/11/21
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I lost it here.



That and him guiding the wingless plane were both eye rolling. But it's still a Bond film.

Obviously the tone of the Craig films were less silly and over the top, but every movie has a bit of it. There wasn't stupid diatribes until Waltz showed up. That when I was WTF.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:13p, 10/11/21
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I'm in agreement that the last fourth of the movie is the worst of the franchise. But I don't find anything in the first 3/4 to be any more campy than any of the other Craig movies.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:14p, 10/11/21
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It is significantly more campy/silly throughout by design.

Previous Craig movies had called back to Bond history, but didn't necessarily follow it. It was more gritty, serious, and emotional. But Spectre was a much more formulaic Bond that followed the cues from Moore and Connery. Not copying them on everything is part of what made the Craig films great.

Blofield being essentially step brothers with Bond was dumb and unnecessary. Just lazy. He's been the big mastermind behind everything from the previous three movies, but you'll just have to trust us, also will have to trust that he could do all the little traps he sets throughout the world for James on this movie. Everything is just so convenient - a sign of poor writing.

Q was good in Skyfall and even better in NTTD, but he took a huge step back and his writing was terrible in Spectre. His big hacking scene is any boring ass cliched hacking scene from any movie. Swordfish, Bad Boys, etc. Slap slap slap the keyboard, DID IT! And we are back to lots of gadgets and over the top weird torturing.

The train? Cool, Bautista is Jaws, but Blofield wanted Bond to arrive at the station and why didnt Bautista start trying to kill him earlier on the train - or at all, since Bond was supposed to arrive at the station.

In Spectre, M is super concerned/preachy with overreaching government surveillance, but he is a ****ing director at MI6. That's his job. I get they wrote this when Snowdon was happening, but a spy manager or whatever being super concerned about spying being wrong is idiotic.

But you need that grandstanding by M, because Blofield wants to expand and control the spying ... because reasons. We don't really have an endgame for him. He just wants to, likely because he used to go skiing with James Bond as a kid. That would definitely make you want to drill out brains and spy on randoms.

Throughout, Spectre is trying to shoehorn callbacks to the old Bond movies. Kind of cool for some Bond fans for sure, because you can feel like you're in on an inside joke, but so many of them felt forced and cheesy.

Madeline Swann seemed to be more of a throwback love interest to the older Bonds, without as much depth. She's a strong independent woman and doesn't need to Bond.... but then sleeps with him a couple minutes later, because Bond is Bond. She is too weak to resist him. Such a disservice to how well they did Vesper and his relationship with Vesper. With Mr. White being her dad, it could have been much better. But the writing just kind of sucked all around.

The opening sequence was brilliant. Just fantastically conceived and if you took out the dumb couch gag, would be pretty much perfect. The song was blah and I wasn't really a fan of the tentacle porn title sequence, but if that is your thing, no judgement here. This is a safe space.

Just all of Spectre is a mess. Most of Craig's stuff is much deeper. When this tried to be deeper and tie emotion in (his fake brother did it all) it just comes off as convenient and silly. It is a very stark difference from most of the other Craig Bonds and I am glad that NTTD was not silly like that.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 5:19p, 10/11/21
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I wholeheartedly disagree with nearly every one of your points (the main one I'll give you is Bautista trying to kill Bond on the train when Blofield presumably wanted Bond alive at the train station), but to each his own...
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:48p, 10/11/21
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You say that conveniently landing on the couch is no different than straightening his tie during or right after a fight.

I could not disagree more. Straightening his tie actually speaks to his character and what he values. He isn't wearing tailored Tom Ford by happenstance.

Having a cushy sofa to land on is just pure deus ex machina. It is nothing more than lazy, cheesy writing. It doesn't add to the movie, other than an eye roll. It doesn't develop anything. The opening sequence would be significantly better without it. It's nothing more than a cheesy gag that you expect to see in a Roger Moore movie, so a vast departure from the rest of the Craig movies. It also goes against the rest of that great opening, which is pretty fantastic. It is just a lazy gag.

I don't really understand what any of your disagreements really can be.

Do you think Q is better in Spectre than he was in NTTD?

Do you think Q's hacking scene in Spectre was more than just generic any movie hacking against the clock?

Do you think it is normal for the head of a spy agency to wax poetic about the evils of spying?

Do you think Blofield being a stepbrother was essential to the plot and narrative?

Do you think Spectre Madeline Swann is a better Bond Girl than Vesper Lynd?

Do you think they were not trying to shoehorn in references to the other 23 Bond movies? They literally said that was a goal.

Do you think this is as deep with emotion and character development as Casino Royale, Skyfall, and NTTD?

If you like campy and the callbacks to previous Bond movies, I can see liking most of it. Roger Moore is the worst Bond to me (but was my dad's favorite, coincidentally) so I appreciate some references, but there's no need to go out of your way to do it, and there is no need to do it in a silly way. I'm glad NTTD took a strong departure from that silly and campy and tried to make something more meaningful and deep.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 7:50p, 10/11/21
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You say that conveniently landing on the couch is no different than straightening his tie during or right after a fight.

I could not disagree more. Straightening his tie actually speaks to his character and what he values. He isn't wearing tailored Tom Ford by happenstance.

Ha, he's literally chasing a guy atop a moving train, a train car is crushed to pieces, he *still* hasn't caught the guy, and takes a beat to fix his tie one second after barely escaping death? To be clear, I LOVE that moment, but it's objectively ridiculous, and just as "campy" as the couch thing.

Having a cushy sofa to land on is just pure deus ex machina. It is nothing more than lazy, cheesy writing. It doesn't add to the movie, other than an eye roll. It doesn't develop anything. The opening sequence would be significantly better without it. It's nothing more than a cheesy gag that you expect to see in a Roger Moore movie, so a vast departure from the rest of the Craig movies. It also goes against the rest of that great opening, which is pretty fantastic. It is just a lazy gag.

I don't really understand what any of your disagreements really can be.

Do you think Q is better in Spectre than he was in NTTD?

I love seeing Q in the field for the first time in Spectre. As for whether he's better in NTTD, I think I do like him a bit more in NTTD, especially since we get to see a hint of his personal life, but I don't really see what that has to do with whether the first 3/4 of Spectre are good or not.

Do you think Q's hacking scene in Spectre was more than just generic any movie hacking against the clock?

Go back and watch his "hacking" in Skyfall. It's just as bad. In fact, most of the computer nonsense is Skyfall is incredibly generic/cheesy as well. My point is that it's no worse in Spectre.

Do you think it is normal for the head of a spy agency to wax poetic about the evils of spying?

We want our "good guys" to have *some* kind of moral compass. Yes, surveillance is obviously part of the job, if not THE job. But the kind of surveillance C is advocating for is clearly so far beyond the norm, that I find it incredibly weird and such a bad faith argument that you're essentially arguing on behalf of the B-plot villain of the movie. C is basically advocating for complete and utter overreach that borders on an infringement of democracy. In fact, he *literally* mocks concept of democracy in one of his monologues, and M rightfully believes C is pushing too far. That, and M is arguing more for the fact that agents in the field are often capable of making better judgment calls than some computer wiz or drone operator at his desk, thousands of miles away. So if you disagree with that, I don't know what to tell you.

Do you think Blofield being a stepbrother was essential to the plot and narrative?

Can you read or are you purposefully ignoring the multiple times over the past week or so, as a late as today, that I've said the Blofeld of it all is inexcusable? It's hands down the worst part of the entire franchise. Which is why, again, I listed the final 1/4 of Spectre as dead last in my rankings yesterday. Blofeld doesn't appear in-full until the scene with the meteorite on display, which comes right around the 1:45-1:50 mark. The next scene he reveals his origins, and that's when the whole thing falls off a cliff for me.

Do you think Spectre Madeline Swann is a better Bond Girl than Vesper Lynd?

Who said Swann had to be better than Lynd for the first 3/4 of Spectre to be a good/worthy movie? Lynd knocks it out of the park. She's fantastic. But I completely disagree with that Swann doesn't have depth, especially after NTTD. Still, the situation she finds herself in Spectre is plenty compelling in and of itself. The daughter of the head of Quantum falls for the spy trying to take the organization down. That's great stuff, it's a great performance, and I think her character is incredibly interesting. Is she on the level of Lynd? Not quite, but again, I don't understand why she needs to be?

Do you think they were not trying to shoehorn in references to the other 23 Bond movies? They literally said that was a goal.

Like I said, I've never seen a non-Craig Bond movie all the way through. So, whatever they were trying to shoehorn in didn't affect me in the least, and absolutely nothing stuck out to me in that regard.

Do you think this is as deep with emotion and character development as Casino Royale, Skyfall, and NTTD?

Yes. In Spectre, Bond literally chooses to finally stop being a spy. He chooses love instead. Especially after he was so burned by Lynd, I find that highly emotional and satisfying. In fact, he perhaps has more character development in Spectre than in any of the other Craig entries, because of that decision.

If you like campy and the callbacks to previous Bond movies, I can see liking most of it. Roger Moore is the worst Bond to me (but was my dad's favorite, coincidentally) so I appreciate some references, but there's no need to go out of your way to do it, and there is no need to do it in a silly way. I'm glad NTTD took a strong departure from that silly and campy and tried to make something more meaningful and deep.
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In reply to TCTTS • 8:14p, 10/11/21
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Ha, he's literally chasing a guy atop a moving train, a train car is crushed to pieces, he *still* hasn't caught the guy, and takes a beat to fix his tie one second after barely escaping death? To be clear, I LOVE that moment, but it's objectively ridiculous, and just as "campy" as the couch thing.


It is silly, but it is Bond. The couch gag is just deus ex machina. Nothing more. The two things aren't remotely comparable.


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I love seeing Q in the field for the first time in Spectre. As for whether he's better in NTTD, I think I do like him a bit more in NTTD, especially since we get to see a hint of his personal life, but I don't really see what that has to do with whether the first 3/4 of Spectre are good or not.

Because Q is flat in Spectre. It isn't a well written character, and certainly not as well written as it is in NTTD. You seem to even say so yourself here.


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Go back and watch his "hacking" in Skyfall. It's just as bad. In fact, most of the computer nonsense is Skyfall is incredibly generic/cheesy as well. My point is that it's no worse in Spectre.

I think his introduction in Skyfall is better and Spectre does nothing for his character. Both hacking scenes are bad for sure. Him plugging the computer in in Skyfall is the big downfall of the movie.



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We want our "good guys" to have *some* kind of moral compass. Yes, surveillance is obviously part of the job, if not THE job. But the kind of surveillance C is advocating for is clearly so far beyond the norm, that I find it incredibly weird and such a bad faith argument that you're essentially arguing on behalf of the B-plot villain of the movie. C is basically advocating for complete and utter overreach that borders on an infringement of democracy. In fact, he *literally* mocks concept of democracy in one of his monologues, and M rightfully believes C is pushing too far. That, and M is arguing more for the fact that agents in the field are often capable of making better judgment calls than some computer wiz or drone operator at his desk, thousands of miles away. So if you disagree with that, I don't know what to tell you.
We are talking about a guy who's job is to spy on people and order secret assassinations. Sure, it would be nice for guys like that to have a strong moral compass, but based on the jobs they are in, not sure you can get there with one. The whole subplot seems to be a pull from the Snowden story.


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Who said Swann had to be better than Lynd for the first 3/4 of Spectre to be a good/worthy movie? Lynd knocks it out of the park. She's fantastic. But I completely disagree with that Swann doesn't have depth, especially after NTTD. Still, the situation she finds herself in Spectre is plenty compelling in and of itself. The daughter of the head of Quantum falls for the spy trying to take the organization down. That's great stuff, it's a great performance, and I think her character is incredibly interesting. Is she on the level of Lynd? Not quite, but again, I don't understand why she needs to be?

Try to save it with bringing in her development in NTTD, but that isn't what we are talking about here. Yes, she is a significantly better character with NTTD, but we are talking about Spectre, which is one of the weaker Bond movies.

I am simply pointing out the weakness of Spectre. Pretty much ever facet of Spectre is weaker than the other Craig Bonds, with the exception of QoS. Spectre Swann is part of that which is not as good as the other


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Yes. In Spectre, Bond literally chooses to finally stop being a spy. He chooses love instead.
So like Casino Royale, but with less impact. Bond quit MI6 (or went AWOL or tried to quit) in movies prior to Craig, but I won't ruin that for you.


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Especially after he was so burned by Lynd, I find that highly emotional and satisfying. In fact, he perhaps has more character development in Spectre than in any of the other Craig entries, because of that decision.
Couldn't disagree more. I think NTTD, Skyfall, and Casino all did a better job here. NTTD benefitted from things being set up in the previous movies, but Casino probably had the most by itself with the Lynd arc. Skyfall's arc on his relationship with M was fantastic.


Anyway, glad you enjoyed No Time to Die. I'm going to find an opportunity to see it again sometime this week.
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8:45p, 10/11/21
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Let's get one thing straight. Bond wasn't straightening his tie, he was fixing his sleeve/cufflinks.

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9:50p, 10/11/21
Really enjoyed it but not enough Ana.
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6:57a, 10/12/21
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The main thing I remember about Spectre is one of the least thrilling car chases of all time.
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4:24p, 10/12/21
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They need to make Bond's Jamaica house an Airbnb and I'd book three straight months right this second...







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In reply to TCTTS • 4:33p, 10/12/21
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TCTTS said:
They need to make Bond's Jamaica house an Airbnb and I'd book three straight months right this second...







If I'm not mistaken, this was filmed at Goldeneye, which is Ian Flemming's property where he wrote many of the Bond books.

And you can even stay at the Flemming Villa. If I remember correctly from a couple of years ago, it costs around $10,000 per night. It sleeps 10 people. Split it with each person and it would for sure be worth it.

Anyone in this thread down?

https://www.theflemingvilla.com/the-facts/


Edit: Upon further examination, it looks like it was not filmed on the Goldeneye property, but drew a lot of inspiration from it, having replica props of stuff found on Goldeneye. Still filmed in Jamaica though, which is a nice ode to Flemming.

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In reply to TCTTS • 4:34p, 10/12/21
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IRL you'd have to really be ok with bugs being all over you to enjoy staying there.
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4:38p, 10/12/21
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Yeah, I remember some uber-Bond-fan journalist staying at the Ian Flemming property a few years back as part of a story or something, and he found a giant spider in his room at one point. Looked so creepy. Would definitely need the place exterminated first, with all kinds of bug repellent everywhere.
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Teacher_Ag said:
IRL you'd have to really be ok with bugs being all over you to enjoy staying there.
I live in Houston, so...
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:44p, 10/12/21
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Oh, come on. These movies are still supposed to be fun and cheeky at times, and that bit didn't last more than five seconds. Besides, it's no different than Bond straightening his tie in the middle of an intense chase scene after landing on the train car when the roof is ripped off by the excavator in Skyfall.
I think that's the biggest thing I miss from the Bond franchise: the fun.

Craig's movies weren't fun. At all. They were great movies no question, but I yearn for the next iteration of Bond and hope that the movies go back to being stand-alone adventures of a witty, suave spy. Looking back on the Craig era, I have to admit that I don't really care for it being one long, five-movie story arc. These weren't about missions, they were all secrets from Bond's (and M's) past come back to haunt them.

I miss the days when something would happen that endangers the world, M would call in Bond to his (or her) office and lay out the objectives. Bond would visit Q for gadgets, and then fly off to exotic locales.

I miss those kinds of Bond movies.
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4:56p, 10/12/21
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I saw one recommendation for how to move forward that I found very interesting:

Put Bond back in the middle of the cold war and make the next batch of movies period pieces. They could still be "gritty" or "realistic" or whatever, but also have that fun wink wink with clever jokes that reference present pop-culture or whatever. I think taking him out of todays world and putting him back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s for a while would be good for the character, IMO.
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In reply to GiveEmHellBill • 5:10p, 10/12/21
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I disagree that the Craig movies weren't fun. I thought they had plenty of charm and dry humor and clever one-liners, etc. Craig's Bond definitely liked to have a bit of mischievous fun. Yes, he and his movie were overly serious as well, but they were also a bit knowing and a bit winking from time to time too.

That said, yeah, I do hope the next iteration is less connected from movie to movie. By the end of the Craig era, like the Star Wars franchise, it all started to feel way too connected and incestuous, making the world feel far smaller than it should (Bond having grown up with the head of Spectre being the most egregious connection).

The perfect model would be the Mission: Impossible movies, where they're just connected enough, but each movie basically stands on its own as well. I loved No Time to Die, but it's a hard one to recommend to, say, my parents - even though they love these movies - because it really does require the viewer to have seen Spectre recently. With M:I - Fallout, though, yes, it features characters from the previous entries, but also stands completely on its own. If someone had never seen a Mission: Impossible movie before, I'd have no problem whatsoever recommending they go into Fallout cold.

It's such a fine line to walk, and I don't know what they do in this day and age, under Amazon ownership now, in a world where everyone expects a "cinematic universe." It's certainly going to be interesting to see their approach from here...
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In reply to veryfuller • 5:12p, 10/12/21
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I saw one recommendation for how to move forward that I found very interesting:

Put Bond back in the middle of the cold war and make the next batch of movies period pieces. They could still be "gritty" or "realistic" or whatever, but also have that fun wink wink with clever jokes that reference present pop-culture or whatever. I think taking him out of todays world and putting him back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s for a while would be good for the character, IMO.


I'm all for this, especially since U.N.C.L.E. sucked and won't get a sequel
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Now that Amazon owns it, I hope they do some standalone movies on outlier characters.

Who wouldn't want to see a movie (or movies) with Ana de Armas's character.

Let's see some bond universe movies on their own like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker.
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My guess is this is the road they ultimately take. Basically, instead of the MCU, it's the BCU (Bond Cinematic Universe). The Bond-centric movies will be like the Avengers movies (not in that they feature a ton of characters, but in that they're the pillars/tentpoles of the franchise), and then some of the other agents/characters will get their own spin-offs and introductory movies between Bond movies. And because its Amazon, some of these "in-between" stories would likely be in the form of streaming series as well, a la the Marvel or Star Wars series on Disney+.
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My guess is this is the road they ultimately take. Basically, instead of the MCU, it's the BCU (Bond Cinematic Universe). The Bond-centric movies will be like the Avengers movies (not in that they feature a ton of characters, but in that they're the pillars/tentpoles of the franchise), and then some of the other agents/characters will get their own spin-offs and introductory movies between Bond movies. And because its Amazon, some of these "in-between" stories would likely be in the form of streaming series as well, a la the Marvel or Star Wars series on Disney+.
I gotta say, I think that sounds awful. The MCU works because the MCU has a ton of viable protagonists. Bond has a single focal point - Bond. Everyone else - M, Moneypenny, Felix, Q, and any other recurring characters - are there to react to and interact with Bond. A Bond cinematic universe sounds like the abortive attempt to broaden the Bourne series beyond Jason Bourne as the protagonist.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 8:17p, 10/12/21
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Now that Amazon owns it, I hope they do some standalone movies on outlier characters.

Who wouldn't want to see a movie (or movies) with Ana de Armas's character.

Let's see some bond universe movies on their own like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker.

Yes please.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 7:52a, 10/13/21
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Guitarsoup said:
veryfuller said:
I saw one recommendation for how to move forward that I found very interesting:

Put Bond back in the middle of the cold war and make the next batch of movies period pieces. They could still be "gritty" or "realistic" or whatever, but also have that fun wink wink with clever jokes that reference present pop-culture or whatever. I think taking him out of todays world and putting him back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s for a while would be good for the character, IMO.


I'm all for this, especially since U.N.C.L.E. sucked and won't get a sequel
This is libel.
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