4, i think QoS is very unappreciated because it came right after CR

Can't wait to revisit all four Craig films in the lead-up. Gonna be a fun rewatch, as there are a couple - QoS and Spectre - I haven't seen since the theater.

Count me in as enjoying QoS the first go around as well and not really getting all the hate.

I think it's tragic that the greatest Bond yet, (Daniel ****ing Craig, baby!), and perhaps my favorite actor of the times, has to hand off the baton to one of Charlie's Angels.

I'm predicting a disaster at the box office. You can't create a character who embodies the heart of "toxic masculinity " and then draw tits and a political agenda on them while retaining that audience.

But, I'm thinking they're must be some 3D chess going on that is beyond my level of sophistication because it seems like an incredibly bad investment.

I imagine they'll make at least one solo Bond-as-a-b/tch film which will cost $100 MM and earn $25 MM before they sign an effeminate Englishman (of which there are so very many to choose) as the new Bond.

But Craig gave us several great Bond moments and they should have let him slip into the fade after the last film instead of what is clearly an attempt to jump start their new direction riding on his coat tails.

Bond starts out retired in this film, and *only* the 007 moniker has been re-designated, not his name or his likeness or his balls. Bond dealing with that is part of the plot. The world has moved on without him, and I'm certain Bond himself will provide adequate commentary on the state of affairs, a commentary that will likely be in accordance with *your* point of view. And I will bet anything that all of this is set up to fully establish, once and for all - in this, Craig's last outing - that only James Bond can do what James Bond can do. Anything "woke" in this movie will serve that idea above all. The Broccolis, of all people, aren't in the SJW business.

That said, I don't understand how you're inferring any of what you're talking about from a teaser for a trailer, or what about this is prompting yet another rant after the last round finally died off. How do you know we're getting "Bond-as-a-b/tch"? Have you read the script? And what about this is "clearly an attempt to jump start a new direction," seeing as the powers that be have reportedly said the opposite (i.e. there won't be any spinoffs)? Do you know something literally no one outside of the production yet knows?

Regardless, like with all other premature political b*tching on this board, can we PLEASE at least wait until the movie comes out - or wait until we at least know just a bit more - before we let this kind of talk prevail again? We had this convo already in this very thread. It sucked. Can we not just have a sliver of hope or optimism as the first trailer hits before going down this road again?

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Bond starts out retired in this film, and *only* the 007 moniker has been re-designated, not his name or his likeness or his balls. Bond dealing with that is part of the plot. The world has moved on without him, and I'm certain Bond himself will provide adequate commentary on the state of affairs, a commentary that will likely be in accordance with *your* point of view. And I will bet anything that all of this is set up to fully establish, once and for all - in this, Craig's last outing - that only James Bond can do what James Bond can do. Anything "woke" in this movie will serve that idea above all. The Broccolis, of all people, aren't in the SJW business.

That said, I don't understand how you're inferring any of what you're talking about from a teaser for a trailer, or what about this is prompting yet another rant after the last round finally died off. How do you know we're getting "Bond-as-a-b/tch"? Have you read the script? And what about this is "clearly an attempt to jump start a new direction," seeing as the powers that be have reportedly said the opposite (i.e. there won't be any spinoffs)? Do you know something literally no one outside of the production yet knows?

Regardless, like with all other premature political b*tching on this board, can we PLEASE at least wait until the movie comes out - or wait until we at least know just a bit more - before we let this kind of talk prevail again? We had this convo already in this very thread. It sucked. Can we not just have a sliver of hope or optimism as the first trailer hits before going down this road again?

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Now calm down, I didn't mean to upset you. I fear we're wearing you down and I don't want that b/c we need genuinely moderate people in your neighborhood.

I'm only responding to scuttlebutt and had made the assumption that those stories were true. If you're information is legit than I find that most refreshing and would certainly consider seeing it.

The Broccolis have in fact earned the benefit of the doubt but the current climate has shown several time tested franchises hijacked to reach a female audience that simply isn't there.

I don't mind you taking your frustrations out on me because I'd like to consider myself a safe person to vent your exasperation toward politically oriented posters. I genuinely don't like the discord, but certainly you can see the overlap of politics and art.

I do censor my speech on this board in consideration of the more delicate posters and will try to redouble my efforts to not upset them.

Gig'em

Aggie_Journalist said:

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I loved Casino Royale and really enjoyed QoS, and have been disappointed by the two movies since then.

The No. 1 knock I always hear on QoS is that the evil plot centers around controlling water, and people just think that's dumb.

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I do agree that QoS gets 'TLJ' treatment. Not an elite Bond film but a solid one.

But how did you not like Skyfall?

Gigem314 said:

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Aggie_Journalist said:

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I loved Casino Royale and really enjoyed QoS, and have been disappointed by the two movies since then.

The No. 1 knock I always hear on QoS is that the evil plot centers around controlling water, and people just think that's dumb.

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I do agree that QoS gets 'TLJ' treatment. Not an elite Bond film but a solid one.

But how did you not like Skyfall?

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This. Skyfall is easily my favorite Craig Bond and quite possibly favorite in the entire series. Movie nerd comment coming.....Deakins is a GD movie god and makes the film. Between the long intro shot of Bardem and his rat monologue, and the fight in the skyscraper at night, its borderline genius. Bardem is also a fantastic villain and is just the perfect amount of "over the top".

+10000 on Deakins. Beautiful movie.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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If this one is as good as Skyfall, is there still a debate on whether Daniel Craig is the best Bond?

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There can be only one. Sorry, Sean.

Ana de Armas. So hot right now. (And so hot.)

W O O D

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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+10000 on Deakins. Beautiful movie.

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I was just there two months ago. A little to the left of the road of where he's standing though.

YESSS