I wouldn't mind going after Crowder. We could definitely us a player like him.

Also Luka just said he will play in the summer league.

Forcing young guys into important roles immediately isn't always the best way to go. I think the front office would prefer rolling with the current group and getting the young guys important playoff experience playing alongside guys like Derozan and Aldridge. That is unless there is a deal for Derozan that you can't reject.

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Still think they should play the long game and trade Demar and see what can be had for him. This team as constructed still isn't legitimately a contender and trading him forces these young players to grow into bigger roles. Hand holding time is over. Get something meaningful for Demar, finish maybe slightly worse and have a slightly better draft pick next year.

And now watch this post age well as Demar wins finals mvp next year.

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I have a feeling nobody wants Demar.

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I wouldn't mind going after Crowder. We could definitely us a player like him.

Also Luka just said he will play in the summer league.

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Good. I love watching summer league and it would be super boring if our top pick wasn't there.

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Enzo The Baker said:

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I wouldn't mind going after Crowder. We could definitely us a player like him.

Also Luka just said he will play in the summer league.

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Good. I love watching summer league and it would be super boring if our top pick wasn't there.

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In fact he said he expects to play in the NBA right way. Does Pop know this?

DeMar is probably the type of guy I would want to have as a 6th man.

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Still think they should play the long game and trade Demar and see what can be had for him. This team as constructed still isn't legitimately a contender and trading him forces these young players to grow into bigger roles. Hand holding time is over. Get something meaningful for Demar, finish maybe slightly worse and have a slightly better draft pick next year.

And now watch this post age well as Demar wins finals mvp next year.

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I have a feeling nobody wants Demar.

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Well surely someone would give up something for him. The Spurs get nothing when he walks and he's unlikely to propel the Spurs to a deep playoff run. So why not dump him for what can be had.

And to whoever mentioned feeding the young guys to the wolves, that's not at all what I'm suggesting. Guys like Murray and White are ready to make that next step.

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Still think they should play the long game and trade Demar and see what can be had for him. This team as constructed still isn't legitimately a contender and trading him forces these young players to grow into bigger roles. Hand holding time is over. Get something meaningful for Demar, finish maybe slightly worse and have a slightly better draft pick next year.

And now watch this post age well as Demar wins finals mvp next year.

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I have a feeling nobody wants Demar.

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Demar's lack of 3 point shot makes him hard to move. He's a great offensive player that can do so many things, but with the value of the 3 ball it makes him not nearly as valuable to other teams.

I think you're referring to me, and I absolutely agree with you. Those guys are ready to be studs. Hopefully Derozan can average 4-5 ppg more this season since he doesn't have to be the primary facilitator. With the West as wide open as it is probably going to be, I think we could make some noise as the 4th or 5th seed.

You may well be right about that. I guess there is a lot to be said about continuity.

Summer League should be interesting with:

2nd round pick
Walker IV
Keldon Johnson
Luka
Metu

Someone start a 2019-2020 thread.

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Someone start a 2019-2020 thread.

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Be the change you wish to see. Just don't **** it up.

Nah. I don't want to type a big ole intro text.

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Nah. I don't want to type a big ole intro text.

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Ah what the hell.

Pop has to be drooling over the Israeli projected to be on the board at 49.

Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

I forget what podcast it was, maybe ringer? But they had this guy as an ultimate sleeper pick. I thought the spurs did a great job overall tonight.

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West Texan said:

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

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Weatherspoon is one of the quickest players in this draft class, needing only 3.09 seconds to cover three-quarters of the court in a sprint. His 6-9 wingspan and 8-4 standing reach are impressive for a 6-4 guard, and give him a weapon defensively. That helps explain why he collected 201 steals for his career, including a personal high 57 as a senior.

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

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Weatherspoon is one of the quickest players in this draft class, needing only 3.09 seconds to cover three-quarters of the court in a sprint. His 6-9 wingspan and 8-4 standing reach are impressive for a 6-4 guard, and give him a weapon defensively. That helps explain why he collected 201 steals for his career, including a personal high 57 as a senior.

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That's great, and I hope he can contribute in a couple years. But we are absolutely logjammed at Combo/SG.

Murray
Mills
Lonnie Walker IV
Derrick White
DD
Forbes
Beli

That's a lot of people trying to get the same minutes.

Guitarsoup said:

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jteagle said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

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Weatherspoon is one of the quickest players in this draft class, needing only 3.09 seconds to cover three-quarters of the court in a sprint. His 6-9 wingspan and 8-4 standing reach are impressive for a 6-4 guard, and give him a weapon defensively. That helps explain why he collected 201 steals for his career, including a personal high 57 as a senior.

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That's great, and I hope he can contribute in a couple years. But we are absolutely logjammed at Combo/SG.

Murray
Mills
Lonnie Walker IV
Derrick White
DD
Forbes
Beli

That's a lot of people trying to get the same minutes.

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This. They should have sorted all the players available by height and put a do not draft next to anyone shorter than 6'6".

Unless they've found trade partners for two or more of Mills, DD, Forbes, and Beli.

Hopefully we bring over Viktor Sanikidze and Robertas Javtokas this off season.

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Guitarsoup said:

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jteagle said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

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Weatherspoon is one of the quickest players in this draft class, needing only 3.09 seconds to cover three-quarters of the court in a sprint. His 6-9 wingspan and 8-4 standing reach are impressive for a 6-4 guard, and give him a weapon defensively. That helps explain why he collected 201 steals for his career, including a personal high 57 as a senior.

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That's great, and I hope he can contribute in a couple years. But we are absolutely logjammed at Combo/SG.

Murray
Mills
Lonnie Walker IV
Derrick White
DD
Forbes
Beli

That's a lot of people trying to get the same minutes.

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This. They should have sorted all the players available by height and put a do not draft next to anyone shorter than 6'6".

Unless they've found trade partners for two or more of Mills, DD, Forbes, and Beli.

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Well based on Weatherspoons measurements he can play SF in today's NBA. Your position is more about who you can gaurd and he appears to be a strong defender.

Guitarsoup said:

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jteagle said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Since the rest of our draft discussion was on this thread, I'll put this here.

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Death. Taxes. Pop drafting a 6'4 guard.

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Weatherspoon is one of the quickest players in this draft class, needing only 3.09 seconds to cover three-quarters of the court in a sprint. His 6-9 wingspan and 8-4 standing reach are impressive for a 6-4 guard, and give him a weapon defensively. That helps explain why he collected 201 steals for his career, including a personal high 57 as a senior.

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That's great, and I hope he can contribute in a couple years. But we are absolutely logjammed at Combo/SG.

Murray
Mills
Lonnie Walker IV
Derrick White
DD
Forbes
Beli

That's a lot of people trying to get the same minutes.

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I hear what you're saying but I don't mind the pick for a couple of reasons. First, in the second round I think you pretty much have to go with best available player. If the team thinks this guy can eventually be a player then you take him regardless of what position he plays.

Second, the league is changing and getting smaller all the time. Last year in the playoffs the Rockets went with a lineup of Tucker, Paul, Harden, Gordon and Rivers quite often. The tallest player in that lineup is 6'5". Even when they play Capella, it's him and 4 guards. Teams have to be able to matchup with that type of lineup and if you don't have the athletic bigs you have to have the guards to compete. With this guys length he can actually be more versatile and he already a pretty decent defender. Maybe they can sign him to a two-way deal and let him play in Austin most of the year and then he will be ready to take Marco's place in a year or so.

We have enough midget guards though. We need more wing size.

This is a small forward league, and we're back to where we were with Kawhi with a bunch of old dudes or short guys having to play that position.

Keldon's wingspan is 6'9", he's got short arms for the position and his height. You think he's going to be able to check the top SFs in the league (Kawhi, LeBron, Iggy, Middleton, Butler, Durant, etc.)? With that wing span they'll just shoot over him.

And it's odd you'd talk about Houston, who routinely torched our midget backcourt this year. I know things will get better with Murray back, but I just don't get Pop and RC's fascination with guys 6'4" and under who can't defend.

I really don't understand all the gnashing of teeth over a late second round pick? At that point you're taking best available in hopes that they may one day be a contributor, regardless of their fit. He's most likely a career G League player, but he has a few things our front office like about him. So why complain?

Murray and White is going to be a pretty stout defensive backcourt.

I never said I minded the pick. I don't really care much what the Spurs do in the second round.

That said lets look at our draft history:

18 Metu - trash
17 Blossom game - trash
16 - nobody (traded for Ray McCallum)
15 - Cady Lalanne- never played an NBA minute
14 - Jordan McRae - trash
14 - Cory Jefferson - trash
13 - Deshaun Thomas - never played an NBA minute
12 - Marcus Denmon - never played an NBA minute
11 - Adam Hanga - Great player... in Europe. DPOY over there.
10 - Ryan Richards - never played an NBA minute
09 - Jack McClinton - never played an NBA minute
09 DeColo - Trash
08 GORAN DRAGIC- Pop traded him for Malik Hairston, who is trash. Dragic became an all-star
08 James Gist - never played an NBA minute
07 Marcus Williams - Never played an NBA minute
07 Printezis - never played an NBA minute
06 - Markova. Played 30 NBA games and has a negative career winshare total.
05 - nobody
04 - Romain Sato - never played an NBA minute
04 Sergei Karaulov - never played an NBA minute
03 - nobody
02 - LUIS SCOLA. Traded him to clear $3mm in cap space.
02 Randy Holcomb - Played 11 NBA minutes
01 Robertas Javtoakas - major motorcycle accident, never played an NBA minute. Had a good euro career
01 Bryan Bracey - never played an NBA minute
00- Cory Hightower - played for the Globetrotters, never in the NBA
99 - MANU GINOBILI

You have to go back through 20 years worth of drafts to find a single player that played a meaningful minute for the Spurs that was drafted in the second round. Two other players (Dragic and SCOLA) were traded before they could do anything for the Spurs. I think Dragic was picked at the request of PHX then traded.

So in twenty years, we have drafted ONE player that was an NBA contributor from the second round and he never played a minute for the Spurs.

I think after striking Gold with Manu then getting Scola, Pop maybe started buying into his own praise. Because to not get a single player to play any meaningful minutes over twenty years seems out of the ordinary, even if the hit rate is very low for 2nd rounders.

You forgot Dejuan Blair. He played quite a bit.

And you may be right but I'd challenge any team to put up a list of great 2nd round picks. To state this may be a sign of arrogance is pretty narrow minded.

If you look at the late 1st round pick record I'd put the Spurs up against any team in the league.

Guitarsoup said:

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I never said I minded the pick. I don't really care much what the Spurs do in the second round.

That said lets look at our draft history:

18 Metu - trash
17 Blossom game - trash
16 - nobody (traded for Ray McCallum)
15 - Cady Lalanne- never played an NBA minute
14 - Jordan McRae - trash
14 - Cory Jefferson - trash
13 - Deshaun Thomas - never played an NBA minute
12 - Marcus Denmon - never played an NBA minute
11 - Adam Hanga - Great player... in Europe. DPOY over there.
10 - Ryan Richards - never played an NBA minute
09 - Jack McClinton - never played an NBA minute
09 DeColo - Trash
08 GORAN DRAGIC- Pop traded him for Malik Hairston, who is trash. Dragic became an all-star
08 James Gist - never played an NBA minute
07 Marcus Williams - Never played an NBA minute
07 Printezis - never played an NBA minute
06 - Markova. Played 30 NBA games and has a negative career winshare total.
05 - nobody
04 - Romain Sato - never played an NBA minute
04 Sergei Karaulov - never played an NBA minute
03 - nobody
02 - LUIS SCOLA. Traded him to clear $3mm in cap space.
02 Randy Holcomb - Played 11 NBA minutes
01 Robertas Javtoakas - major motorcycle accident, never played an NBA minute. Had a good euro career
01 Bryan Bracey - never played an NBA minute
00- Cory Hightower - played for the Globetrotters, never in the NBA
99 - MANU GINOBILI

You have to go back through 20 years worth of drafts to find a single player that played a meaningful minute for the Spurs that was drafted in the second round. Two other players (Dragic and SCOLA) were traded before they could do anything for the Spurs. I think Dragic was picked at the request of PHX then traded.

So in twenty years, we have drafted ONE player that was an NBA contributor from the second round and he never played a minute for the Spurs.

I think after striking Gold with Manu then getting Scola, Pop maybe started buying into his own praise. Because to not get a single player to play any meaningful minutes over twenty years seems out of the ordinary, even if the hit rate is very low for 2nd rounders.

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99- Francisco Elson is the only other 2nd rounder that had a meaningful career, and he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire
00- Eddie House, Eduardo Najera, Michael Redd, Brian Cardinal. Redd has a very good career and the rest were contributors for a good while
01- Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur, and Earl Watson. Two really good players and one that had a career
02- Roger Mason, Carlos Boozer, Matt Barnes, and the aforementioned Luis Scola
03- Steve Blake, Zaza Pachulia, Keith Bogans, Matt Bonner, James Jones, Kyle Korver. This was an exceptionally good year with talent all the way down
04- Anderson Varejao, Trevor Ariza
05- Brandon Bass, CJ Miles, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, Marvin Gortat
06- PJ Tucker, Paul Millsap
07- Carl Landry, Glen Davis, Josh McRoberts, Marc Gasol, Ramon Sessions
08- Nikola Pekovi, Mario Chalmers, Deandre Jordan, mer Asik, Luc Mbah a Moute, Goran Dragi
09-Dante Cunningham, DeJuan Blair (you missed him), Jonas Jerebko, Pat Beverly, Danny Green, Patty Mills
10- Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson
11- Bojan Bogdanovic, Chandler Parsons, , Davis Bertans (part of the George Hill/Kawhi trade), Isaiah Thomas
12- Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Will Barton
13- Allen Crabbe, Mike Muscala
14- Joe Harris, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jeramy Grant, Nikola Jokic, Jordan Clarkson
15- Cedi Osman, Montrezl Harrell
16- Malcom Brogdon, Patrick McCaw
17- Jordan Bell
18- Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson

The more recent drafts are a little harder to gauge because some of these guys will carve out nice careers, but there's on average about 3-4 2nd round guys that will stick around in the league have solid careers. Most of the guys mentioned were picked very early in the 2nd round long before San Antonio had a shot at them. Are there some misses by PATFO in the second round during that time? Of course, but so did a whole lot of other teams. 2nd rounders are a complete crap shoot and you never know who will work out. I'd say our history of making late first rounders into solid NBA players is much more indicative of our scouting and player development than our 2nd rounders.

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You forgot Dejuan Blair. He played quite a bit.

And you may be right but I'd challenge any team to put up a list of great 2nd round picks. To state this may be a sign of arrogance is pretty narrow minded.

If you look at the late 1st round pick record I'd put the Spurs up against any team in the league.

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I went by the basketball reference list. I guess since he was drafted and traded to us, he didn't show up. But yes, he gave us some good years.

That is a fascinating list. It's pretty funny that the Spurs got some great contributions from 2nd round picks they didnt make. Danny Green, Patty and Bertans. Meanwhile, their own picks have been underwhelming. Bryn Forbes is probably the best non 1st round "pick" over the last 10 years. And he was an unsigned FA.

The Spurs know that they can still scout all the 2nd round selections made by other teams while those guys develop in G league and the NBA. Then when their initial contract is up you can sign them on minimal deals. They're good at seeing potential in guys who aren't setting the world on fire but have proven they can belong on an NBA roster.

Post in the new thread.