Dragon fuel is expensive......The Porkchop Express said:
For people blessed with dragons, they spend way too much time not flying their dragons
Well said. I feel the same - I have been loving it, but am ready to settle in to a fixed cast of actors and really develop their characters. Very much looking forward to the upcoming episodes and equally as bummed we only have 3 left.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm enjoying it tremendously. But I also understand it's building to the real conflict, which I assume will be mostly seen in S2 and beyond.
Personally I think it's done just as good a job as S1 of GoT of setting up our characters and setting the table for the upcoming war, granted they are very different in that we have the huge time jumps.
I'm just glad we don't have any more recasting left after next episode with the kids. (Or that's what I'm assuming anyway.)
I guess the only alternatives were :bobinator said:
I think this is my issue. The time jumps seem like a cop out on actual character development. There's no subtlety to it like on GOT. We just fast forward from set piece to set piece, and the characters are just that way now. We don't see their slow development like on GOT.
I dunno, I'm still watching, I'm just kind of thinking out loud on here. Without a big outside thread, which we sort of had one and then Daemon already took care of it, I just kind of find myself thinking "who cares which unlikable person ultimately wins?"
In GOT there was always this backdrop of impending doom that gave more weight to the political squabbling.
I feel like GOT did a good job of getting us to where we needed to be without big jumps in season 1. I don't mind it, but feel like it could have been done better.CoachRTM said:I guess the only alternatives were :bobinator said:
I think this is my issue. The time jumps seem like a cop out on actual character development. There's no subtlety to it like on GOT. We just fast forward from set piece to set piece, and the characters are just that way now. We don't see their slow development like on GOT.
I dunno, I'm still watching, I'm just kind of thinking out loud on here. Without a big outside thread, which we sort of had one and then Daemon already took care of it, I just kind of find myself thinking "who cares which unlikable person ultimately wins?"
In GOT there was always this backdrop of impending doom that gave more weight to the political squabbling.
1. Skip the backstory all-together and start the series with the king dying and the SHTF (or just before)
2. Spend 2-3 years on where we've gotten to this point - would give much more time for backstory, but probably seem really slow.
(I haven't read the books, this is me just presuming what the future story holds)
Those being the other options - I'm good with what they're doing - we're getting the necessary backstory on the major players in the world. When SHTF shortly, we have the benefit of knowing their motivations... but it didn't take us years to get there.
Personally, I found the show to be pretty slow up until this last week. It's weird because it has the time jumps but also felt like it moved at a glacial pace. This last episode pulled me back in, though.bobinator said:
I mean we'll see. I'm skeptical of how much of this backstory will ultimately be necessary to understand the character motivations, but maybe.
I'm not trying to convince anyone else it's bad or anything, just found myself watching the most recent episode and thinking "do I care about this?" and was wondering where people were at on this show.
bobinator said:
I guess my question for everyone is, do we like this show for what it is, or are we still thinking it's laying groundwork?
I was not super encouraged by it looking like another decent time jump is coming before/during the next episode.
The First Blackfyre Rebellion would make for a fantastic miniseries. I think they have other shows in the works that are going to cover some of the events you mentioned - there's a Dunk and Egg show in the works for sure.The Porkchop Express said:
I'm hoping if this is a big enough hit they continue it for multiple seasons up to the recent history where the dragons suddenly stopped growing. I think Tyrion has a line in the book or the show where said at some point the dragons were not getting any bigger than dogs/cats.
Since the show is named House of the Dragon, they could pluck out lots and lots of story lines to tell, especially with the time jumps already established. The Blackfyre Rebellions, the dummy who drank the wildfire thinking he would become a dragon, and then tell the whole story of Robert's Rebellion from the Targ point of view - the tragedy of Sumerhall, the Defiance of Duskendale, etc. Give me young Barristan Selmy, young Aerys, young Tywin, etc., and go straight into the Rebellion. Call back Elrond Stark to play young Ned again . I need to see a real version of Rhaegar vs. Robert in battle.
^ This. TCTTS, I just don't get your point. If anything Rhaenyra's fight is against the patriarchy and the right of inherited rule. I just don't see how Rhaenyra the character is interested in any sort of heteronormal type of conflict. Then again, maybe I am just rusty on all my leftist buzzword definitions of the week.emando2000 said:
D'Arcy's off the show life doesn't bother me but her posts are definitely political. Heteronormative involves sexual orientation and D'Arcy clearly does not align with it in her life. Rhaenyra isn't struggling with heteronormativity, she wants the throne and she's straight. She's a tomboy and desires the opposite sex in a partner. Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no indication that she has any interest in a sexual relationship in a woman. The fact that Westeros would not follow a woman queen is a completely separate issue.
Now if you're reaching and trying to make it fit into the show. I guess it works if you ignore the fact that Rhaenyra isn't homosexual.
Exactly! Especially with all of the ale and wine that is consumed. I'd be down for the daily buzzed flyovers.The Porkchop Express said:
For people blessed with dragons, they spend way too much time not flying their dragons.
I would resolve every border war like the BS in the Stepstones with full-on dragon fire. This BS with the Brackens and the Blackwoods? come out, let's talk, now I've burned your 2 patriarchs to ash - whoever's next in line, make an agreement or your next.Bonzer103 said:Exactly! Especially with all of the ale and wine that is consumed. I'd be down for the daily buzzed flyovers.The Porkchop Express said:
For people blessed with dragons, they spend way too much time not flying their dragons.
We think alike (i.e. know how to have a good time)The Porkchop Express said:I would resolve every border war like the BS in the Stepstones with full-on dragon fire. This BS with the Brackens and the Blackwoods? come out, let's talk, now I've burned your 2 patriarchs to ash - whoever's next in line, make an agreement or your next.Bonzer103 said:Exactly! Especially with all of the ale and wine that is consumed. I'd be down for the daily buzzed flyovers.The Porkchop Express said:
For people blessed with dragons, they spend way too much time not flying their dragons.
Say what you want about his methods, but the dude got **** done.......canadiaggie said:
We got two Maegor the Cruel fans up in here clearly
The Porkchop Express said:
It's the wrong word to use, because its definition and modern usage is so closely tied to sexual orientation.
More correctly, Rhaenyra and the actress who play her don't agree with traditional gender roles that were law punishable by death in the time in history that the show most clearly emulates - that only men could rule and that a woman was always going to be passed over by literally any male heir with the tiniest claim ot the throne.
The actress doesn't believe that she should find a husband and cranking out babies, which plenty of people still think is a woman's role in society. There's a connection, but gender roles is a smaller part of the overarching definition of heteronormal, so lumping the characters together like that is a stretch.
