Maybe Aegon is going to be like a Jeffrey and be cruel to women when he figures out what to do with his peen.
*** GoT: House of the Dragon ***
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Which Jeffrey are we talking about here?deer corn said:
Maybe Aegon is going to be like a Jeffrey and be cruel to women when he figures out what to do with his peen.
WARNING: I have a deep-seated desire for others to love the Star Wars franchise as much as I do, in exactly the way I do, and get snippy and sensitive and passive-aggressive when they don't.
Oh look at me I misspelled Geoffrey.
And it's super easy to compare because we can go back and see where the season was. At this point in season one of GoT, we've only just had Viserys get crowned. Robb has not marched to war, Ned still has a head, Robert is still alive, Dany has no dragons, Benjen hasn't gone north yet, and Jon hasn't even been assigned as the Lord Commander's steward.The Porkchop Express said:My thought is that you are comparing a show that ran over the course of nine years and was based on a book series whose first volume was published in 1996 with a TV series that has had 5 episodes and is based on a segment of a book that was told as if you were reading the encyclopedia.cbr said:
question - is there any character in this series yet that stands up to any of a huge list of GOT characters?
when you read that list and then think about this show.... man, that's why GOT was a big hit and released first. Those characters were just fantastic. (yes, i was not a fan of a couple of the season 8 episodes either, but you can still watch and enjoy up until then).
i just dont see anyone here comparing to that list very well.
thoughts?
IIRC, a decent part of the thread on TexAgs for the first season of the GoT show was people griping that there too many guys with beards and they couldn't keep the characters straight. When the first season ends, I think would be a good time to take stock of how many characters you're enjoying and want more of. What you've seen so far is a fraction of the Dance of the Dragons. If you were only 5 episodes into the original show, think of all the amazing people you wouldn't have seen yet and all the marvelous subplots yet unearthed.
I said it earlier in this thread, but if you look at how people rate GoT episodes, the vast majority of the top ones are in the center seasons, with a few outliers. Given that the first season was only watched by about 2 million people per episode (a number that grew exponentially), I imagine there's a lot of people who binged after the fact and forget that it moved at a steady pace as well, establishing players and motives as it moved toward the larger conflict, a conflict that we really only get a taste of in the first season.
deer corn said:
Oh look at me I misspelled Geoffrey.
Oh dear...
deer corn said:
Oh look at me I misspelled Geoffrey.
I don't really care. You knew WTF I meant.
Geoffrey Chaucer?
Yes House of the Dragon doesn't show an existential threat right off the bat like GOT.
But even if you haven't read the books, I'm pretty sure most of y'all see where this show is going. The queen, her powerful house, allies, and dragons. And there is the other powerful houses, their allies and dragons.
Me personally I think the pace is just fine. If we'd stayed with the teens any longer, I probably would have started complaining things were too slow.
But even if you haven't read the books, I'm pretty sure most of y'all see where this show is going. The queen, her powerful house, allies, and dragons. And there is the other powerful houses, their allies and dragons.
Me personally I think the pace is just fine. If we'd stayed with the teens any longer, I probably would have started complaining things were too slow.
This is probably obvious, but I go back to the final line of the opening montage voice over in the pilot, which, for me, set the theme/expectations...
"The only thing that could tear down the House of the Dragon was itself."
In other words, from the jump, they wanted us to know that this is primarily a series about a single family. Where as GoT was about multiple, external families and their assault on/claim to the throne, HotD is the inverse of that; one family destroying themselves from within. It's told on a slightly smaller scale for sure, but has the same, "Who will take the throne?" question at the center.
"The only thing that could tear down the House of the Dragon was itself."
In other words, from the jump, they wanted us to know that this is primarily a series about a single family. Where as GoT was about multiple, external families and their assault on/claim to the throne, HotD is the inverse of that; one family destroying themselves from within. It's told on a slightly smaller scale for sure, but has the same, "Who will take the throne?" question at the center.
On a similar note, I heard someone on a podcast today reference an article or interview saying that the reason the birth scenes are so visceral and exaggerated in their sounds/intensity is because, at least in this early stage in the series, wombs are where and how the various battles are being fought. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at it.
That was a line of dialogue in episode 1. Agreed.
TCTTS said:
On a smilier note, I heard someone on podcast today reference an article or interview saying that the reason the birth scenes are so visceral and exaggerated in their sounds/intensity is because, at least this early stage in the series, wombs are where and how the various battles are being fought. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at it.
That's all well and good for the first scene. But this one was just her face and disgusting unfitting sounds.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
That was a line of dialogue in episode 1. Agreed.
I'm just saying that the show told us in the opening montage exactly what it's going to be. So if people are looking for something bigger and more traditionally GoT, expectations probably need to be set accordingly because we might not ever get that. I'm sure the show will expand from what it is now, but at its core, it's a smaller, different dynamic. Which, for the very first "spin-off," I'm totally fine with.
I'm talking about the womb being the women's battlefield line.
Ha, oh, I mistakenly thought that was a reply to my other post.
Missed that line of dialogue. I need to go back and find it.
Missed that line of dialogue. I need to go back and find it.
Lonestar_Ag09 said:TCTTS said:
On a smilier note, I heard someone on podcast today reference an article or interview saying that the reason the birth scenes are so visceral and exaggerated in their sounds/intensity is because, at least this early stage in the series, wombs are where and how the various battles are being fought. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at it.
That's all well and good for the first scene. But this one was just her face and disgusting unfitting sounds.
How should a woman look and sound when the baby is breach and she is in excruciating pain because she can't deliver it, knowing full well that this is a death sentence for her and her child?
WARNING: I have a deep-seated desire for others to love the Star Wars franchise as much as I do, in exactly the way I do, and get snippy and sensitive and passive-aggressive when they don't.
Really? He is obviously talking about the ridiculous sound effects that are supposedly emanating from her vagina, not the actress' performance.The Porkchop Express said:Lonestar_Ag09 said:TCTTS said:
On a smilier note, I heard someone on podcast today reference an article or interview saying that the reason the birth scenes are so visceral and exaggerated in their sounds/intensity is because, at least this early stage in the series, wombs are where and how the various battles are being fought. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at it.
That's all well and good for the first scene. But this one was just her face and disgusting unfitting sounds.
How should a woman look and sound when the baby is breach and she is in excruciating pain because she can't deliver it, knowing full well that this is a death sentence for her and her child?
I'll ask it again, what does it sound like when a baby is breach and a woman is trying to force it out to save her own life and the baby's?
WARNING: I have a deep-seated desire for others to love the Star Wars franchise as much as I do, in exactly the way I do, and get snippy and sensitive and passive-aggressive when they don't.
The Porkchop Express said:
I'll ask it again, what does it sound like when a baby is breach and a woman is trying to force it out to save her own life and the baby's?
No one is talking about that…all she did was scream
This is a weird conversation.
They need to tone down the over the top birth scenes. Simple as that
They need to tone down the over the top birth scenes. Simple as that
I agree with the first part.
But the show has at least said *why* the birth scenes aren't toned down. They're not going for accuracy. They're trying to do something more visceral and symbolic.
But the show has at least said *why* the birth scenes aren't toned down. They're not going for accuracy. They're trying to do something more visceral and symbolic.
That's nice...but a very large portion of the population has experienced actual births and I doubt any sounded like a xenomorph pushed through Kane's chest. All the squishing, slurping, splooshing sounds just don't happen. Even when that big ole sack of yummieness called a placenta comes rolling out you don't think, "Hey, who has a bowl of gack they're playing with?"TCTTS said:
I agree with the first part.
But the show has at least said *why* the birth scenes aren't toned down. They're not going for accuracy. They're trying to do something more visceral and symbolic.
A very large portion of the population has never seen a dragon either, yet we all seem to be able to suspend disbelief there.
Again, there's an artistic intention behind the birth scenes. It's a choice the filmmakers are actively making. They clearly don't give a sh*t what an actual, 21st century, non-fantasy-world birth sounds like.
I seriously can't believe this is a complaint/conversation we're having.
Again, there's an artistic intention behind the birth scenes. It's a choice the filmmakers are actively making. They clearly don't give a sh*t what an actual, 21st century, non-fantasy-world birth sounds like.
I seriously can't believe this is a complaint/conversation we're having.
Whatever their intention was, it was dumb. My wife and I both looked at each other and laughed at how ridiculous it was. Both times!TCTTS said:
A very large portion of the population has never seen a dragon either, yet we all seem to be able to suspend disbelief there.
Again, there's an artistic intention behind the birth scenes. It's a choice the filmmakers are actively making. They clearly don't give a sh*t what an actual, 21st century, non-fantasy-world birth sounds like.
I seriously can't believe this is a complaint/conversation we're having.
Anyhow, I am only here because ole Fat Bib had no reading comprehension.
This is a fictional world. I don't think anyone here has experienced birth in the ways it is in westeros. How many of y'all have rode a dragon? How does that sound? Let's ease up on the criticism of how things sound compared to life in 2022.
Also, I don't understand why people keep hating on Rynerea. I'm not sure what she has done yet to make so many people hate her. She was content early in life just to be herself. Then her dad pressured her to be queen. Then her uncle messed with her mind and she sought comfort with Cole. Then he went crazy and asked her to give up her right to the throne and she politely said no. Then Cole murdered the lover of her to be husband. Then she was forced to marry a gay man. Anyways. I don't know why she is the bad guy here.
Also, I don't understand why people keep hating on Rynerea. I'm not sure what she has done yet to make so many people hate her. She was content early in life just to be herself. Then her dad pressured her to be queen. Then her uncle messed with her mind and she sought comfort with Cole. Then he went crazy and asked her to give up her right to the throne and she politely said no. Then Cole murdered the lover of her to be husband. Then she was forced to marry a gay man. Anyways. I don't know why she is the bad guy here.
Its an easy fix, you just hit the skip forward button, and you don't have to watch the scene.
Its not like they are going to have meaningful dialogue during it.
It's also not hard to understand why people would be put off by those scenes, just like its not hard to understand why others would like it.
I appreciate that they are attempting to draw a dialogue between 'the battlefields' but it doesn't resonate with me.
I don't personally really think it as a deep an allegorical choice as the writers do, and it feels a bit ham-fisted to me in presentation.
It's also not even remotely ruining the show in any way.
Its not like they are going to have meaningful dialogue during it.
It's also not hard to understand why people would be put off by those scenes, just like its not hard to understand why others would like it.
I appreciate that they are attempting to draw a dialogue between 'the battlefields' but it doesn't resonate with me.
I don't personally really think it as a deep an allegorical choice as the writers do, and it feels a bit ham-fisted to me in presentation.
It's also not even remotely ruining the show in any way.
All good points, this show is very good at presenting both aspects of the main characters.
If anything all of this makes her character better, because even if you do dislike her, her character has a litany of reasons to do all the things she has done.
If anything all of this makes her character better, because even if you do dislike her, her character has a litany of reasons to do all the things she has done.
Phrasing said:
Also, I don't understand why people keep hating on Rynerea. I'm not sure what she has done yet to make so many people hate her. She was content early in life just to be herself. Then her dad pressured her to be queen. Then her uncle messed with her mind and she sought confront with Cole. Then he went crazy and asked her to give up her right to the throne and she politely said no. Then Cole murdered the lover of her to be husband. Then she was forced to marry a gay man. Anyways. I don't know why she is the bad guy here.
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-cbr
PatAg said:
Its an easy fix, you just hit the skip forward button, and you don't have to watch the scene.
Its not like they are going to have meaningful dialogue during it.
It's also not hard to understand why people would be put off by those scenes, just like its not hard to understand why others would like it.
I appreciate that they are attempting to draw a dialogue between 'the battlefields' but it doesn't resonate with me.
I don't personally really think it as a deep an allegorical choice as the writers do, and it feels a bit ham-fisted to me in presentation.
It's also not even remotely ruining the show in any way.
I totally get being turned off by those scenes or not wanting to see them. To each his own. But in a fantasy TV series with magic and dragons, complaining that the birthing scenes aren't accurate to our modern, real world standards, when the filmmakers themselves have made it known why they're doing them the way they are, legit cracks me up.
Yep, it's a bit of an odd reason.TCTTS said:PatAg said:
Its an easy fix, you just hit the skip forward button, and you don't have to watch the scene.
Its not like they are going to have meaningful dialogue during it.
It's also not hard to understand why people would be put off by those scenes, just like its not hard to understand why others would like it.
I appreciate that they are attempting to draw a dialogue between 'the battlefields' but it doesn't resonate with me.
I don't personally really think it as a deep an allegorical choice as the writers do, and it feels a bit ham-fisted to me in presentation.
It's also not even remotely ruining the show in any way.
I totally get being turned off by those scenes or not wanting to see them. To each his own. But in a fantasy TV series with magic and dragons, complaining that the birthing scenes aren't accurate to our modern, real world standards, when the filmmakers themselves have made it known why they're doing them the way they are, legit cracks me up.
It's just part of a thing a lot of people do, where if they feel like they are an expert (or knowledgeable) on a subject they are incapable of giving a show/movie any slack on it.
You cant situationally choose where you suspend belief, you either do it or you don't.
Did y'all know that during most vaginal births women poop on themselves?
Since this thread has devolved into talking about what is and isn't real regarding birthing… that's an important fact you should know.
Since this thread has devolved into talking about what is and isn't real regarding birthing… that's an important fact you should know.
All I know is during Rhaenyras birth scene the sound editor needs to be given an award for making it sound as squelchy and horrible as it really is or needs to be fired for making it like that, I can't decide which.
Headphones not recommended for that.
Headphones not recommended for that.
Dude, rise above it. When you perpetuate it just drags down the thread again.
WARNING: I have a deep-seated desire for others to love the Star Wars franchise as much as I do, in exactly the way I do, and get snippy and sensitive and passive-aggressive when they don't.
I like threads where a bunch of male fantasy nerds are discussing appropriate child birthing noises and facial expressions.
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