*** GoT: House of the Dragon ***

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The Porkchop Express said:

Considering they got away with poisoning Jon Arryn and had Pycelle in their back pocket, you'd think Cersei could have dumped a bucket of the Tears of Lys into Robert's drink basically any time given how much that dummy was drinking all day long.


Technically I thought Littlefinger convinced Lysa to poison Jon Arryn and blame it on the Lannisters. I like the theory that Sweetrobin is Littlefinger's *******
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canadiaggie said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Considering they got away with poisoning Jon Arryn and had Pycelle in their back pocket, you'd think Cersei could have dumped a bucket of the Tears of Lys into Robert's drink basically any time given how much that dummy was drinking all day long.


Technically I thought Littlefinger convinced Lysa to poison Jon Arryn and blame it on the Lannisters. I like the theory that Sweetrobin is Littlefinger's *******

I'd never heard that theory and it didn't occur to me, but it's funny.

I think we'd have heard Lysa mention it--or at least the possibility of it--while she was blurting out the rundown of every despicable thing she did that launched the war of the 5 kings.

It's worth noting, imo, that Littlefinger's plan was on par with Palpatine's process for taking over the galaxy. Create a bunch of chaos and patiently await the opportunity to profit from it.

If he'd been successful, he'd have been Lord Protector of the Vale, wed to Sansa after finding a way to eliminate Jon and therefore de-facto Warden of the North, and he'd have been powerful enough for a war of conquest against the Royalists, and could've done the same thing Robert did.

He got impressively far along in that endeavor before Arya sliced his throat open.
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An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
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bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.

Certainly doesn't sound too dark for GRRM.

I wouldn't mind seeing an alternative storyline like that.

In fact, I would absolutely read several different alternative outcomes in that universe. It would be every bit as interesting, considering what could have gone differently.
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bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
Wow, I made a similar comment before Season 8 of a final scene with a mad Qyburn on the throne laughing while the undead mountain fights off a million wights and the Night King enters the throne room - fade to black.

Littlefinger's turn from master strategist to Jar Jar Binks in the 7th season is one of my worst memories of the series.
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bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
I get this but I thoroughly enjoyed his downfall with the Stark girls
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Yeah, he, Tyrion, and Varys all went south when they stopped having book material to go off of.
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Same, he definitely got what was coming to him. My idea was more just thinking thematically
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
I get this but I thoroughly enjoyed his downfall with the Stark girls
Should have sent him to the wall. Murdering him in cold blood in your father's hall is something the Boltons would do.
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We're all well aware of how awful things went when the source material ran out, and the decision was made to bring things to a rapid conclusion instead of doing more seasons.

Despite all of that, seeing Littlefinger on his knees as Arya ripped out his throat was satisfying.
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bluefire579 said:

Yeah, he, Tyrion, and Varys all went south when they stopped having book material to go off of.
Aria nonchalantly slitting his throat was a great moment in the series.
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Sorry to break up the actual discussion, but this got a belly laugh out of me

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Fantastic
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bluefire579 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

Ned's problem was he pussed out on telling Robert that none of the kids were actually his. If he had told him that on his death bed, he would have either made Ned or Stannis the king, and the 7 kingdoms would have been run with an iron fist, all the BS squabbling kicked to the curb, and Dany wouldn't have known jack squat about how to take Westeros because Varya and Tyrion's asses would have been dead or at the Wall.

True.

Ned screwed up by not supporting Robert to deal with Dany. And he screwed up by not telling Robert his kids weren't really his. And made both those mistakes out of fear of kids being killed.

Instead, countless thousands were killed.

Nice job Eddard.
That's not true. He was going to tell Robert, but Robert got gored by a hog before he could tell him. His mistake was telling Cersei what he knew with the thought she'd flee the city, when instead she orchestrated Robert's death, gathered power, and took control of the throne.


The crazy part is that Cersei's plot to have Robert killed was just to get him really drunk and HOPE something went wrong during the hunt.

Am I forgetting something in the book? Was there a contingency?
I don't believe so, but then again, we only get Cersei chapters starting in book 3 or 4, so we don't know her mindset, we only have Lancel's confession in book 2. It looking like an accident was always key.
I seem to recall that she had the goofy Lannister squire put milk of the poppy or something in his wine to make sure he was good and f-d up. Still kind of amounts to hoping, though.
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Lol, man I like Rhaenyra and think the actress is doing an excellent job. She really is a classic hot or not, though.
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Just caught up on the series and thread after a trip. I'm loving it but Daemon's big charge was dumb. I get why they did it and such but it required marvel level of suspension of reality.

Are we sure crab feeder had grayscale? I thought he had burn scars from past dragon encounters and that was why he was more cautious about the sky when Daemon was charging.
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KidDoc said:

Just caught up on the series and thread after a trip. I'm loving it but Daemon's big charge was dumb. I get why they did it and such but it required marvel level of suspension of reality.

Are we sure crab feeder had grayscale? I thought he had burn scars from past dragon encounters and that was why he was more cautious about the sky when Daemon was charging.

He may not have had grayscale in the show. He did in the source material.
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It definitely looked like greyscale to me
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AgE2theBONE said:

KidDoc said:

Just caught up on the series and thread after a trip. I'm loving it but Daemon's big charge was dumb. I get why they did it and such but it required marvel level of suspension of reality.

Are we sure crab feeder had grayscale? I thought he had burn scars from past dragon encounters and that was why he was more cautious about the sky when Daemon was charging.

He may not have had grayscale in the show. He did in the source material.
Thanks for the response. I've only read the original GoT stuff, not the later stuff he wrote instead of finishing the saga.
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The Porkchop Express said:

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bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
I get this but I thoroughly enjoyed his downfall with the Stark girls
Should have sent him to the wall. Murdering him in cold blood in your father's hall is something the Boltons would do.
he was executed for crimes against the Starks, though technically Sansa should have wielded the blade to be true to Ned's beliefs of the one passing judgement should wield the blade. It's very much something that the Starks would have done to a traitor.
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Icecream_Ag said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
I get this but I thoroughly enjoyed his downfall with the Stark girls
Should have sent him to the wall. Murdering him in cold blood in your father's hall is something the Boltons would do.
he was executed for crimes against the Starks, though technically Sansa should have wielded the blade to be true to Ned's beliefs of the one passing judgement should wield the blade. It's very much something that the Starks would have done to a traitor.
But not in the hall of their forefathers.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Icecream_Ag said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

bluefire579 said:

An ending I was kind of half rooting for was Littefinger ending up on the throne. I always envisioned it (stemming from the quote about him burning the kingdom down to rule over the ashes) as him sitting there on the Iron Throne, all the other main players either dead or fled from the realm, as the White Walkers descend on King's Landing. Littlefinger finally getting what he wants, ****ing over everyone else just to call himself king.

That might be too dark even for GRRM, but I always felt it would be absolutely fitting.
I get this but I thoroughly enjoyed his downfall with the Stark girls
Should have sent him to the wall. Murdering him in cold blood in your father's hall is something the Boltons would do.
he was executed for crimes against the Starks, though technically Sansa should have wielded the blade to be true to Ned's beliefs of the one passing judgement should wield the blade. It's very much something that the Starks would have done to a traitor.
But not in the hall of their forefathers.

True, they should have taken him outside and beheaded him.

But the show had gone so far off the rails at that point that it didn't even occur to me at that time that they likely wouldn't have just slit his throat in their great hall.
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Yeah it's a small quibbble in the grand scheme of bizarre decisions. I just remember thinking how far gone that was from the way the Starks handled their affairs.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Yeah it's a small quibbble in the grand scheme of bizarre decisions. I just remember thinking how far gone that was from the way the Starks handled their affairs.


Didn't really work out for them, the way Starks handled their affairs.
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Good politics heavy episode and not just because all the nudity. Things bout to go off once the king bites it.
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Well that was a lot
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Daemon
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Rhanera was on a mission for Sir Criston
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Ol Unc got her all worked up and couldn't seal the deal
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I assumed daemon intentionally didn't go through with it and assumed Rhy would have to lie to cover up the truth.
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Jimmy McNulty said:

I assumed daemon intentionally didn't go through with it and assumed Rhy would have to lie to cover up the truth.

I thought it was intentional as well, but that is definitely not what they said in the Inside the Episode piece
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The post episode discussion mentioned Daemon couldn't go through with it because of his impotence. When watching I got the vibe that he didn't go through with it because he knew he shouldn't.
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The Dog Lord said:

Jimmy McNulty said:

I assumed daemon intentionally didn't go through with it and assumed Rhy would have to lie to cover up the truth.

I thought it was intentional as well, but that is definitely not what they said in the Inside the Episode piece


Yep I then saw that too. There was a lot of ways they could have gone with that.
 
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