The link i posted above, or his intro to HotD he goes over who rides which dragon.deer corn said:
I call BS. Drogon was as big as Daemon's dragon or bigger.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I unfortunately got spoilers by looking at a Targaryen family tree, but that was on me for being an idiotBrian Earl Spilner said:
So freaking Google auto complete spoiled me yesterday to the fact that Rhaeneyra dies at some point.
Similar thing happened when I googled Vecna from Stranger Things. I hate it.
bearamedic99 said:
To be faiiiir...
https://play.typeracer.com/Brian Earl Spilner said:
Or, you know, Google could not put spoilers in their autocomplete. But yes I have learned my lesson now twice over.
To me that was the most egregious error of that abortion of a final season. They spent the ENTIRE series building up Jaime's redemptive arc only to take a gigantic **** on it the final season.The Debt said:MaroonStain said:
For real. Why would a brother boff his sister? It's Westeros not West Virginia...
Grrm kinda made it a weirder gray area. It wasn't incest persay, but weird twin narcissism and self-masturbashun. Jaime loved himself, if the image in the mirror had a vergina, he would fk it. Same for cersie. They look at each other and see everything they desire, sexually, and its themselves.
That's what makes Jaimes arc interesting. Once his majestic beauty and prowess with the sword are taken from him, he undergoes this massive crisis. And the end of the arc is his narcissism is gone and he starts acting selflessly.
Remember when the pauper-pope gave Cersie the speech about the furniture stripped of its finery...she never got the message. She stayed on that path.
But the showrunners just said to hell with jaimes character for 7 seasons, he is going to run back to someone he is axiomatically opposite of on the 11th hour because *reasons*.
Also remember when Jaime learned she was fking their cousin, Lancel, he realized she didn't really love him, she loved herself and Lancel was the closest physically to Jaime(Cersie).
Prosperdick said:To me that was the most egregious error of that abortion of a final season. They spent the ENTIRE series building up Jaime's redemptive arc only to take a gigantic **** on it the final season.The Debt said:MaroonStain said:
For real. Why would a brother boff his sister? It's Westeros not West Virginia...
Grrm kinda made it a weirder gray area. It wasn't incest persay, but weird twin narcissism and self-masturbashun. Jaime loved himself, if the image in the mirror had a vergina, he would fk it. Same for cersie. They look at each other and see everything they desire, sexually, and its themselves.
That's what makes Jaimes arc interesting. Once his majestic beauty and prowess with the sword are taken from him, he undergoes this massive crisis. And the end of the arc is his narcissism is gone and he starts acting selflessly.
Remember when the pauper-pope gave Cersie the speech about the furniture stripped of its finery...she never got the message. She stayed on that path.
But the showrunners just said to hell with jaimes character for 7 seasons, he is going to run back to someone he is axiomatically opposite of on the 11th hour because *reasons*.
Also remember when Jaime learned she was fking their cousin, Lancel, he realized she didn't really love him, she loved herself and Lancel was the closest physically to Jaime(Cersie).
I have to believe GRRM was building up to Jamie finally killing Cersie, especially with all the prophetic warnings and to end them the way they did on the show was so lazy and clumsy it pi$$es me off just thinking about it.
ChipFTAC01 said:
I don't even remember, did they die in each others arms?
will25u said:L- Rcanadiaggie said:I didn't see the sigils for the knights that were fighting but it's not out of the realm of possibility that these were a bunch of hedge knights, 2nd sons, etc. rather than Lord Stark's son axing Lord Lannister's son in the face. In fact I don't think it's unrealistic at all for the "dregs" of nobility to get brutal with each other in the tournaments.JJxvi said:No way. These also arent the king's men alone, but knights and sons of all his underlings. There certainly wouldnt be 50 years of peace in the realm if like Every time theres a tournament some Stark son is axing a Lannister in the face.Quote:
There's been peace for more than 60 years at this point, so the thought process is probably a little different than if there was a perceived threat on the immediate horizon.
Bolton - Tyrell - Mallister - ? - Hightower - Lefford - Cole - Stark - Lannister - Baratheon - Tully - Darklyn - Tarley
Prosperdick said:To me that was the most egregious error of that abortion of a final season. They spent the ENTIRE series building up Jaime's redemptive arc only to take a gigantic **** on it the final season.The Debt said:MaroonStain said:
For real. Why would a brother boff his sister? It's Westeros not West Virginia...
Grrm kinda made it a weirder gray area. It wasn't incest persay, but weird twin narcissism and self-masturbashun. Jaime loved himself, if the image in the mirror had a vergina, he would fk it. Same for cersie. They look at each other and see everything they desire, sexually, and its themselves.
That's what makes Jaimes arc interesting. Once his majestic beauty and prowess with the sword are taken from him, he undergoes this massive crisis. And the end of the arc is his narcissism is gone and he starts acting selflessly.
Remember when the pauper-pope gave Cersie the speech about the furniture stripped of its finery...she never got the message. She stayed on that path.
But the showrunners just said to hell with jaimes character for 7 seasons, he is going to run back to someone he is axiomatically opposite of on the 11th hour because *reasons*.
Also remember when Jaime learned she was fking their cousin, Lancel, he realized she didn't really love him, she loved herself and Lancel was the closest physically to Jaime(Cersie).
I have to believe GRRM was building up to Jamie finally killing Cersie, especially with all the prophetic warnings and to end them the way they did on the show was so lazy and clumsy it pi$$es me off just thinking about it.
will25u said:L- Rcanadiaggie said:I didn't see the sigils for the knights that were fighting but it's not out of the realm of possibility that these were a bunch of hedge knights, 2nd sons, etc. rather than Lord Stark's son axing Lord Lannister's son in the face. In fact I don't think it's unrealistic at all for the "dregs" of nobility to get brutal with each other in the tournaments.JJxvi said:No way. These also arent the king's men alone, but knights and sons of all his underlings. There certainly wouldnt be 50 years of peace in the realm if like Every time theres a tournament some Stark son is axing a Lannister in the face.Quote:
There's been peace for more than 60 years at this point, so the thought process is probably a little different than if there was a perceived threat on the immediate horizon.
Bolton - Tyrell - Mallister - ? - Hightower - Lefford - Cole - Stark - Lannister - Baratheon - Tully - Darklyn - Tarley
bonfarr said:Prosperdick said:To me that was the most egregious error of that abortion of a final season. They spent the ENTIRE series building up Jaime's redemptive arc only to take a gigantic **** on it the final season.The Debt said:MaroonStain said:
For real. Why would a brother boff his sister? It's Westeros not West Virginia...
Grrm kinda made it a weirder gray area. It wasn't incest persay, but weird twin narcissism and self-masturbashun. Jaime loved himself, if the image in the mirror had a vergina, he would fk it. Same for cersie. They look at each other and see everything they desire, sexually, and its themselves.
That's what makes Jaimes arc interesting. Once his majestic beauty and prowess with the sword are taken from him, he undergoes this massive crisis. And the end of the arc is his narcissism is gone and he starts acting selflessly.
Remember when the pauper-pope gave Cersie the speech about the furniture stripped of its finery...she never got the message. She stayed on that path.
But the showrunners just said to hell with jaimes character for 7 seasons, he is going to run back to someone he is axiomatically opposite of on the 11th hour because *reasons*.
Also remember when Jaime learned she was fking their cousin, Lancel, he realized she didn't really love him, she loved herself and Lancel was the closest physically to Jaime(Cersie).
I have to believe GRRM was building up to Jamie finally killing Cersie, especially with all the prophetic warnings and to end them the way they did on the show was so lazy and clumsy it pi$$es me off just thinking about it.
I was completely disappointed in the final Jamie narrative. They built up the narrative that Jamie looked back on his life with regret as he was of noble blood but had never done anything noble or selfless in his life. That was evident when he read about himself in that big book of Knights and their deeds.
I thought that's why he became so close to Brienne, she lived her life bound by honor and duty and he wished he was more like her. The writers got so close and they pissed it away with the incredibly stupid move of Jamie leaving to go see his ***** sister one last time.
I don't think it technically counts since his name is not Stark, but Ser Rodrick Cassel lived almost his whole life at Winterfell. Being followers of the Old Gods, it is unlikely the Starks would have cared much about being knighted.canadiaggie said:will25u said:L- Rcanadiaggie said:I didn't see the sigils for the knights that were fighting but it's not out of the realm of possibility that these were a bunch of hedge knights, 2nd sons, etc. rather than Lord Stark's son axing Lord Lannister's son in the face. In fact I don't think it's unrealistic at all for the "dregs" of nobility to get brutal with each other in the tournaments.JJxvi said:No way. These also arent the king's men alone, but knights and sons of all his underlings. There certainly wouldnt be 50 years of peace in the realm if like Every time theres a tournament some Stark son is axing a Lannister in the face.Quote:
There's been peace for more than 60 years at this point, so the thought process is probably a little different than if there was a perceived threat on the immediate horizon.
Bolton - Tyrell - Mallister - ? - Hightower - Lefford - Cole - Stark - Lannister - Baratheon - Tully - Darklyn - Tarley
The Boltons and Starks having knights present at the tourney would make me think that those are a mixture of knights - some (the Baratheon) are actually lords of that house and others are simply sworn knights.
Have the Starks ever actually had a knight in their family history?
redline248 said:I don't think it technically counts since his name is not Stark, but Ser Rodrick Cassel lived almost his whole life at Winterfell. Being followers of the Old Gods, it is unlikely the Starks would have cared much about being knighted.canadiaggie said:will25u said:L- Rcanadiaggie said:I didn't see the sigils for the knights that were fighting but it's not out of the realm of possibility that these were a bunch of hedge knights, 2nd sons, etc. rather than Lord Stark's son axing Lord Lannister's son in the face. In fact I don't think it's unrealistic at all for the "dregs" of nobility to get brutal with each other in the tournaments.JJxvi said:No way. These also arent the king's men alone, but knights and sons of all his underlings. There certainly wouldnt be 50 years of peace in the realm if like Every time theres a tournament some Stark son is axing a Lannister in the face.Quote:
There's been peace for more than 60 years at this point, so the thought process is probably a little different than if there was a perceived threat on the immediate horizon.
Bolton - Tyrell - Mallister - ? - Hightower - Lefford - Cole - Stark - Lannister - Baratheon - Tully - Darklyn - Tarley
The Boltons and Starks having knights present at the tourney would make me think that those are a mixture of knights - some (the Baratheon) are actually lords of that house and others are simply sworn knights.
Have the Starks ever actually had a knight in their family history?
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I knew I recognized Viserys!
Bonzer103 said:
Seems like I remember reading you only have to be sponsored by a knight. But I know Northmen have participated (i.e. Jory Cassell) and they don't have knights, so doesn't explain that.
ChipFTAC01 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I knew I recognized Viserys!
Hot Fuzz?
Jory was the captain of the household guard for House Stark, and then a guard for the Hand. Not sure if you're mistaking Jory for the Hound (Sandor Clegan). Either way neither were knights. Jory was in the tournament and lost to Broon(?) only by King Roberts intervention.AgE2theBONE said:Bonzer103 said:
Seems like I remember reading you only have to be sponsored by a knight. But I know Northmen have participated (i.e. Jory Cassell) and they don't have knights, so doesn't explain that.
I don't recall the Hound riding in the tourney for the Hand.
I thought he was guarding the king in the stands.
Wasn't he a Kingsguard?
Edit: According to wiki he wasn't appointed to the Kingsguard until Joffrey ascended. He was guarding Joffrey during the Hand's tourney.
Wasn't there a joust in S1 of GoT where the Mountain kills Ser Hugh of the Vale?JJxvi said:
The other tournaments we see in the show had no jousting, but the Hound participated in the one for Joffrey's name day, and the other was a melee held by Renly Baratheon and his court which was won by another non-knight, Brienne of Tarth
Indeed. The Hound is in it too.ChipFTAC01 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I knew I recognized Viserys!
Hot Fuzz?
