Making a Murder - Netflix Original Series
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Dassey conviction overturned
Now to go after those cops and the DA.
will there be a re-trial? This could get interesting
Oh SNAP!
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Dassey conviction overturned
Yea?
I hope he gets paid too, prison didn't appear to be kind to him.
Yeah.
"You've been in prison since 2007 for a crime you didn't commit and now you're being released because of the documentary Making A Murderer."
"Yeah."
"Is there anything about society you are just learning about now?"
"Ma just told me about 9/11."
"Brendan, that happened in 2001."
"Yeah."
"Yeah."
"Is there anything about society you are just learning about now?"
"Ma just told me about 9/11."
"Brendan, that happened in 2001."
"Yeah."
A buddy sent me this:
Hey Brendan you are getting out of prison today
Yeah
You excited?
Yeah
You still guilty?
Yeah
Hey Brendan you are getting out of prison today
Yeah
You excited?
Yeah
You still guilty?
Yeah
Good to hear. To me, the railroading of Dassey was the most despicable aspect of the series.
So Avery gets railroaded for a rape he didn't do. Gets thrown in jail, gets released after it's determined he's wrongfully convicted. Then in a show about getting released, he gets thrown back in jail for a murder. And his nephew is then railroaded for a murder he didn't commit during the documentary process that began about his uncle getting railroaded.
I hope he gets to watch all the WrestleMania's he can.
Watching him get railroaded was the most infuriating part.
Watching him get railroaded was the most infuriating part.
Yeah
i still rank Kachinsky as the worst of the terrible people on that case. He had a mentally challenged teenage client accused of rape/murder. He allows him to be interviewed without counsel. He hires an investigator to badger a confession out of his own client. He then gives the cops the results of that, tells them how to get a confession out of his client, and encourages them to do it without counsel. He does all this without negotiating ANY consideration for his client..no sentencing reduction, no reduction in charges, nothing.
That is.....immoral.
Yeah.
That is.....immoral.
Yeah.
quote:yeeah?
Yeah
Kachinsky should have to serve the rest of that sentence. Not kidding.
His lawyer should be the one thrown in jail. It was an absolute pitiful excuse for a defense if you can even call it that. I do not feel bad for Steven Avery because I absolutely believe he is guilty, but his nephew got convicted due to an unbelievable failure of the system. It makes me wonder how often this happens to other people.
Disbarred, at the very least.
A lot of folks on this thread should start taking their anger away from that ***** lawyer, and focusing it towards fear of our justice system. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
Like the Seinfeld bit about doctor's and "they're the best,".... There has to be lawyers graduating at the bottom of their class and others who just suck as well. You never hear "use my lawyer, he's the worst."
The theme of MaM is if you're dumb or poor, you may have a shot. If you're dumb and poor, you have no shot.
Like the Seinfeld bit about doctor's and "they're the best,".... There has to be lawyers graduating at the bottom of their class and others who just suck as well. You never hear "use my lawyer, he's the worst."
The theme of MaM is if you're dumb or poor, you may have a shot. If you're dumb and poor, you have no shot.
Getting Len Kachinsky disbarred is a good first step to fixing the justice system.
Meh. Hes a hack but just like every single thing we saw in this case, he's a subject of a completely one sided presentation.
The one thing everyone who didn't fit the show runners' narrative doesn't have the benefit of is having a 8 part series from their side of the table.
I don't disagree about his competence level, but I still argue many people would be shocked at how many crappy lawyers there are out there who have done worse than this hatchet job.
The one thing everyone who didn't fit the show runners' narrative doesn't have the benefit of is having a 8 part series from their side of the table.
I don't disagree about his competence level, but I still argue many people would be shocked at how many crappy lawyers there are out there who have done worse than this hatchet job.
quote:There is no two sides to a lawyer setting up their 16 year old mentally ******ed client to be interrogated by a private investigator and inviting police detectives to interrogate him with no attorney representation.
Meh. Hes a hack but just like every single thing we saw in this case, he's a subject of a completely one sided presentation.
I don't disagree in principle, but you only saw what they wanted you to see.
Any time these types of shows or docs come out, while they always interest me, I choose to take them with a grain of salt.
For many, many, it worked perfectly. The masses watch MaM and feel like they are now experts on the entire case. But they were persuaded and don't want to admit it.
FTR, there's no way in hell I'd have voted Brendan guilty if I were on that jury based off what I was shown in the doc. That being said, I also know I only saw what they wanted me to see.
Any time these types of shows or docs come out, while they always interest me, I choose to take them with a grain of salt.
For many, many, it worked perfectly. The masses watch MaM and feel like they are now experts on the entire case. But they were persuaded and don't want to admit it.
FTR, there's no way in hell I'd have voted Brendan guilty if I were on that jury based off what I was shown in the doc. That being said, I also know I only saw what they wanted me to see.
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I don't disagree about his competence level, but I still argue many people would be shocked at how many crappy lawyers there are out there who have done worse than this hatchet job.
Just because the system is rife with corrupt, sh/try ass lawyers doesn't mean Dassey doesn't deserve to be free. Are you related to Kachinsky or something?
quote:He doesn't dispute any of that.
I don't disagree in principle, but you only saw what they wanted you to see.
No attorney should allow their client to be interrogated by police without an attorney. If you talk to 100 criminal defense attorneys, I'll bet 100 of them say there is no way they let their client talk to police without an attorney and they wouldn't talk to them at all without some sort of big offer on the table. He got none of that.
Kachinsky even admitted he handled it poorly.
And in the 9 months since it aired, what rebuttal has come out for Kachinsky about his handling of the case? Absolutely, positively nothing.
And when the judge today admonished him for his handling of the case and overturned the conviction, I don't think that was tainted by what netflix wanted you to see.
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I don't disagree in principle, but you only saw what they wanted you to see.
Any time these types of shows or docs come out, while they always interest me, I choose to take them with a grain of salt.
For many, many, it worked perfectly. The masses watch MaM and feel like they are now experts on the entire case. But they were persuaded and don't want to admit it.
FTR, there's no way in hell I'd have voted Brendan guilty if I were on that jury based off what I was shown in the doc. That being said, I also know I only saw what they wanted me to see.
The Private Investigator hired by Kachinsky was very clear that he wanted to prove guilt.
That's grounds for disbarment. It's not even questionable or an act of a doc. The guy freaking admits it.
Good try.
Lol. You're completely misunderstanding my point.
Hes a ****ty lawyer, dassey deserved a better defense, but in an attempt at objectivity... we are all acting as judge and jury about a group of people based off an extremely biased documentary that was brilliantly executed to get us all to feel a certain way. I fell prey to it as well.
I have tons of issues with our justice system. And ****ty public defenders who don't even try are definitely one of them.
Based off what we saw in the footage I definitely agree that hack shouldn't be allowed to practice.
But my larger point is that making a mountain out of one molehill isn't going to do a damn thing to correct the flawed system. Hes just a tar and feather candidate when there are thousands as bad and worse working the system for quick checks.
Hes a ****ty lawyer, dassey deserved a better defense, but in an attempt at objectivity... we are all acting as judge and jury about a group of people based off an extremely biased documentary that was brilliantly executed to get us all to feel a certain way. I fell prey to it as well.
I have tons of issues with our justice system. And ****ty public defenders who don't even try are definitely one of them.
Based off what we saw in the footage I definitely agree that hack shouldn't be allowed to practice.
But my larger point is that making a mountain out of one molehill isn't going to do a damn thing to correct the flawed system. Hes just a tar and feather candidate when there are thousands as bad and worse working the system for quick checks.
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Lol. You're completely misunderstanding my point.
Hes a ****ty lawyer, dassey deserved a better defense, but in an attempt at objectivity... we are all acting as judge and jury about a group of people based off an extremely biased documentary that was brilliantly executed to get us all to feel a certain way. I fell prey to it as well.
I have tons of issues with our justice system. And ****ty public defenders who don't even try are definitely one of them.
Based off what we saw in the footage I definitely agree that hack shouldn't be our there.
But my larger point is that making a mountain put of one molehill isn't going to do a damn thing to correct the flawed system. Hes just a tat and feather candidate when there are thousands as bad and worse working the system for quick checks.
The show being one-sided and Dassey's lawyer being a f*ckhead are not mutually exclusive. I have many many doubts about Avery being innocent-not so much with Dassey.
quote:No, the documentary is irrelevant.
Hes a ****ty lawyer, dassey deserved a better defense, but in an attempt at objectivity... we are all acting as judge and jury about a group of people based off an extremely biased documentary that was brilliantly executed to get us all to feel a certain way. I fell prey to it as well.
An attorney hiring a PI that wanted to prove his client's guilt and letting the PI interrogate his client without the attorney present is beyond indefensible. Add in the mental capacity and age and it is even worse.
The documentary has nothing to do with it. Those action are reprehensible and indefensible.
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The show being one-sided and Dassey's lawyer being a f*ckhead are not mutually exclusive. I have many many doubts about Avery being innocent-not so much with Dassey.
I agree. My point was basically... If dassey's lawyer's actions shocked anyone, then they need to know the truth about our justice system. That **** is SOP.
Im not at all convinced Dassey is innocent. I am convinced he was not guilty based off what we saw in the doc. But back to page 20 or 10 or wherever, innocent and not guilty are completely different
quote:No it is not. I doubt you can find another mentally challenged kid (below 70 IQ) that are HS junior age or younger that had a police interrogation without an attorney set up for them by their attorney.
I agree. My point was basically... If dassey's lawyer's actions shocked anyone, then they need to know the truth about our justice system. That **** is SOP.
That is not SOP, not by a long shot.
SOP is "Duck no, we aren't going to let you interrogate my client."
There are likely a lot of sides and potential evidence not presented in the doc regarding the case.
But Dassey's lawyer EMAILING the prosecutors telling them to interview his mentally challenged, minor client without him or a parent there and for the cops to check in with his investigator for the best way to get a confession is beyond the pale. A defense attorney might try to work with the prosecutor to negotiate a plea, but they would NEVER do that without attempting to get charges dropped or reduced. There's no 2 sides to that story. That guy grinned and served up that kid to ingratiate himself to the DA's office.
That he had that investigator at all was so bizarre.
But Dassey's lawyer EMAILING the prosecutors telling them to interview his mentally challenged, minor client without him or a parent there and for the cops to check in with his investigator for the best way to get a confession is beyond the pale. A defense attorney might try to work with the prosecutor to negotiate a plea, but they would NEVER do that without attempting to get charges dropped or reduced. There's no 2 sides to that story. That guy grinned and served up that kid to ingratiate himself to the DA's office.
That he had that investigator at all was so bizarre.
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