How the hell was Brendon tried as an adult? He was 16 and clearly not even at that learning level. Watching the video, it's obvious that the cops led him down the path they wanted him to go. And he's not only convicted, he can't get an appeal????? Insane.

Bobby Dassey & Scott Tadych seem like good suspects. Likely jealous of all of the attention Avery is getting

Yes he was awful. Throw in the DA too. I didn't like him originally. After the sexting a domestic abuse victim I really had to ask wtf?

Yes. I agree. I think they are doing the best they can with their skills.

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I think the moral is to immediately ask for an attorney.

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Have you SEEN The First 48?!!!!

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Steve Averys mom and dad are really like able

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If there was ever a need for a gofundme account, they should have one.

They tried that but it was taken down because it was for someone who was convicted of a "heinous crime".

Thanks to this forum, just started watching...2 episodes in...WHOA!

Scary what a few losers with a little power, a few connections and no sense of consequence can do!

I bet this happens in EVERY state...frightening!

Incest and "weird sex" claims are one of the most common claims made against the white poor, as way a exiling and minimizing them. I think any of us who grew up in a rural area know of a family like the Averys. The cat thing is obviously true, he admits to it and is disturbing.

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Incest and "weird sex" claims are one of the most common claims made against the white poor, as way a exiling and minimizing them. I think any of us who grew up in a rural area know of a family like the Averys. The cat thing is obviously true, he admits to it and is disturbing.

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I agree. I didn't mean to sound like I believe all that just because the investigator for the defense attorney wrote it. What I meant was "even if they were all of that, there were still major issues with key law enforcement characters throughout"

Kratz criticized the documentary as not showing all the physical evidence. I'd also love to see all the physical evidence they have

There's "emails" circulating on Reddit from Kratz to users who have emailed him. The additional physical evidence and other circumstantial pieces are not very impressive....IF IF IF its actually from him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3ybked/ive_been_in_contact_with_ken_kratz/

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There's "emails" circulating on Reddit from Kratz to users who have emailed him. The additional physical evidence and other circumstantial pieces are not very impressive....IF IF IF its actually from him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3ybked/ive_been_in_contact_with_ken_kratz/

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I actually think IF IF it's from kratz, then it helps.

Im naturally suspicious so I don't buy the good ol boy mantra that Steve and the documentary are putting off.

That being said, I still have major issues with how the case was handled. That's my biggest compliant. That and Brendan's statement, or what we saw of his statement

Yeah I'm with you there.

There's more to Steven than was mentioned. im sure there's a lot more that will come out but regardless of all the outside stuff there's a lot of doubt around him actually committing the murder.

There are a billion things that point to Steve being setup by the police and/or by whoever committed the murder, and most of the key
Points have been mentioned. But even if you ignore the fact that the cops were shady as hell, what was Steven's motive? I never heard this mentioned. How does he get convicted with all of the proof of the planted evidence and no motive at all? It makes no sense. Maybe I could understand a conviction if the state was able to give a reason why Steven wanted Theresa dead, but we are just supposed to believe a guy who recently got out of prison and was suing the county randomly killed a lady and then burned her in his back yard and parked her car nearby? And then we are just supposed to ignore all the mistakes/crimes committed by the police?

At one point in the trial, the DA said that you don't even need the key to convict. So if you believe the key was planted you can just ignore that fact and convict based on the other evidence. Wtf? So he's basically telling the jury that the key may have been planted but you should just convict him anyway????

This documentary was addictive bc it was so unbelievable.

I also thought the judge was crooked. He ruled against Steven in multiple pretrial motions that should have been granted in my opinion. And also made several rulings during trial that went against Steven. For instance, how can
He rule that the deletion of voicemails was not relevant? It shows someone was accessing the voicemails, which the state can argue was the police or the killer.

Also, I thought the ruling that the defense could not try to point the finger at any third party was very peculiar. So they are supposed to defend their client without arguing that a third party killed the victim?

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I liked it better than The Jinx (that ending aside tho), but thought it was a notch below Serial S1. Criticisms of Koenig and her approach aside, I thought she did a good job of creating a story and putting alternative theories forward. This show was a little more objective, but basically just makes it seems like the cops were the only alternative. So for me it comes down to preference in technical accuracy vs. soap opera storytelling, and I just prefer the Serial soap.

Great show though, worth the investment.

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https://serialpodcast.org/season-one

Threatening to release them unless what happens?

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Anonymous is now threatening to release call logs between Lenk and Colburn on Nov 3

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I couldnt believe the judge ruled against the voicemails. They proved that either she was alive on 11/2 or someone accessed her VM before she was reported missing on 11/3. Steves lawyers did an amazing job poking holes I think they were just fighting an uphill battle.

Just got to the point where the blood vile is discovered to have been tampered with. This whole story is completely unbelievable, sad, and scary!

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the judge, the DA, Brendans lawyer, Fasbender was iffy too

i was stunned that Judge Willis was allowed to determine the appeal for Avery after what he proclaimed in the sentencing

I don't see how he could have cleaned the garage and bedroom to the point of absolutely no blood anywhere. If you assume she was shot in the head in the garage blood would have gone everywhere.