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Jodi went on to marry Barb's exhusband Mr Dassey - the father of the 3 Dassey boys. That is one of the craziest details in this whole thing. Your husband is in jail for rape, threatening you and your kids, so you pick his sister's ex as your next husband.

Lot of just really solid decision making and stand up citizens over there.

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Jodi is his girlfriend when he gets out of prison first time, right?

I think you are talking about his first wife.

But your point still stands. These people would make an entertaining reality TV show.

Jodi says she ate two boxes of rat poison to go to the hospital to get away from him. Is it even possible to eat two boxes of rat poison and not die?

Yeah I went back and edited my post. I confused the two.

I see people alluding to the Averys as incestuous and doing weird sex stuff. Where is that documented. I listened to this show while my wife was warching, and I didn't hear any of that. Seems like that could have been part of the prosecution's argument.

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I see people alluding to the Averys as incestuous and doing weird sex stuff. Where is that documented. I listened to this show while my wife was warching, and I didn't hear any of that. Seems like that could have been part of the prosecution's argument.

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I think it alludes Police reports and complaints that he sexually assaulted or tried to sexually assault the young niece(girl who took the stand and flipped her story saying she was scared of Steven).

Also, the full Brendan/barb phone call transcript that the filmmakers cherry picked from was actually Brendan discussing Steven and how he'd touch his brothers and him and play it off as wrestling and ****.

I think the police complaints, since no one brought charges or pursued it further, aren't public record

Jodi trying to get famous

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Interesting argument to use now but not back then. If she didn't fit the narrative Steven or the Avery family wanted and started speaking out about his abuse, she'd have never been in a documentary.

I would think one would have the urge to "get famous" when there's a camera around me every day for a year, and not years later.

At the very least I don't think you can just cast aside what she's saying now for that argument but not use the same logic on all of her screen time in the doc

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Interesting argument to use now but not back then. If she didn't fit the narrative Steven or the Avery family wanted and started speaking out about his abuse, she'd have never been in a documentary.

I would think one would have the urge to "get famous" when there's a camera around me every day for a year, and not years later.

At the very least I don't think you can just cast aside what she's saying now for that argument but not use the same logic on all of her screen time in the doc

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Maybe he did beat her and didn't speak out then in hope that SteveN would win the suit and they'd love happily ever after. Now she's got nothing to lose by speaking out and getting famous and maybe finally move out of the motel she's staying at when people find out her conditions.

Or police dept who kept an eye on her back in the day to catch her doing something wrong any chance they got are now threatening her and making her come out with this after the netflix series gained unprecedented attention and support for Avery.

Well she did evidently refuse to be interviewed years later by the filmmakers and she asked that she not be used in the documentary, which kinda goes against the idea that she is after her 15 minutes of fame.

Strange that the filmmakers would continue to use her storyline to show the cops trying to break up true love in order to screw Steve Avery yet again.

Also, Steve Avery has a country full of fanboys and girls right now, so coming out and saying mean things about him isn't going to be that popular.

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Well she did evidently refuse to be interviewed years later by the filmmakers and she asked that she not be used in the documentary, which kinda goes against the idea that she is after her 15 minutes of fame.

Strange that the filmmakers would continue to use her storyline to show the cops trying to break up true love in order to screw Steve Avery yet again.

Also, Steve Avery has a country full of fanboys and girls right now, so coming out and saying mean things about him isn't going to be that popular.

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True!

But people listen to unpopular. I mean look at Donald trump.

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I asked DANIEL how long he would be staying in the area. He stated he will be here until he solves the case.

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In the documentary, Jodi looked damn loyal to Steve. Then suddenly she was gone. At the time, I assumed she was merely getting tired of the police harassment and avoided the documentary cameras because she didn't want to look bad for abandoning Avery. But now it seems she hates Avery and thinks he's guilty, without any new (public) evidence. Makes me wonder if the police showed her secret evidence that convinced her. Something they obtained illegally and that would get them in trouble if it were made public. It made no sense for them to harass her for the hell of it. It could be that they were trying to help her get away from Avery and to get on with her life without risking telling her the secret evidence, but she took it as them being jackasses and she aligned even closer to Avery. So then they finally tell her the secret evidence and she says "screw that" and peaces out for good.

It is bat sh*t crazy that there are grown women writing and falling in love with convicted murderers in prison, and people flying across the country to "solve the case". He just walked up to their trailer and they let him in?

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HE walked up to their trailer on Christmas Day when they were celebrating and they let him in.

That nutball has a blog where he is writing about his efforts to solve the case. Spoiler alerts: The Boyfriend did it.

http://www.overthrow.us/

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First sentence from about the 3rd blog down the list. If you're going to be a "writer," you need to do a better job than that.

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First sentence from about the 3rd blog down the list. If you're going to be a "writer," you need to do a better job than that.

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I don't know, his grammar seems spot on for a wannabe cop.

One theory we haven't talked about is Brendan's mom's theory. Apparently, she believes that Teresa is alive and living with Tupac, Elvis and Biggie overseas.

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In the documentary, Jodi looked damn loyal to Steve. Then suddenly she was gone. At the time, I assumed she was merely getting tired of the police harassment and avoided the documentary cameras because she didn't want to look bad for abandoning Avery. But now it seems she hates Avery and thinks he's guilty, without any new (public) evidence. Makes me wonder if the police showed her secret evidence that convinced her. Something they obtained illegally and that would get them in trouble if it were made public. It made no sense for them to harass her for the hell of it. It could be that they were trying to help her get away from Avery and to get on with her life without risking telling her the secret evidence, but she took it as them being jackasses and she aligned even closer to Avery. So then they finally tell her the secret evidence and she says "screw that" and peaces out for good.

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Secret evidence? They had no problem planting a key, blood and a bullet, but they had secret evidence, too that would actually get them in trouble? Planting that stuff is a federal crime. Even their DA thought it was planted.

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You aren't getting what I'm saying. They weren't caught planting any that evidence. I'm talking about evidence or knowledge that would, in addition to implicating Avery, would implicate an officer as doing something illegal too. Like say Lenk broke into Avery's garage (without a warrant) on Nov. 1st and took a selfie with her body laying on the floor in the background. He'd be convicted of breaking and entering if that was made public. But he could show Lori that picture and say, "dude he did it... you are in danger if you stay with him. I'm doing you a favor, so please don't tell anybody about this photo."

Judi was a habitual drunk driver with her own demons. There's no way she was emotionally stable enough to stay with someone charged with a brutal rape/murder.

I think it's nuts that you dudes think that the police else happened to catch Taresa Halbach right after she left Avery's place, killed her, burned her body (lucking out that Steven Avery happened to have a bonfire that night), planted her bones in his burn barrel and fire pit, and planted her car, keys, bullet, etc. in his house.

It's even more ridiculous to think that her ex-boyfriend or somebody else did it since they REALLY lucked out by not only the above events working out just right, but also by having the police help frame Steve Avery on their behalf.

Sorry guys, I think you are smoking crack.



Seems to me that the most obvious solution to all the evidence is for Avery to have killed her, and for the police to have helped frame him for the crime they ere 99% certain he committed.

Do I think the police straight up murdered Teresa Halbach? No.

Do I think they hated Steven Avery, thought he was an evil person, and even believed he was the killer? Yes.

Do I think the police planted evidence and would not have been able to get a conviction otherwise? Absolutely.

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It was not exactly a secret that the police hated him. He was suing the county for enough to bankrupt it and that included their pensions, according to one article I read. Insurance wouldn't cover framing him for rape. I am sure anyone in that tiny little county knew about it, since it made national news when he was released. We are talking about a county with the population the size of Temple or New Braunfels. To suggest the quick assumption by the police wouldn't be "Avery did it" it crazy, especially when they had a history of framing him for felonies.

I bet that anyone that lives in a trailer at a junkyard with multiple burn piles and burn barrels burns things fairly often. If he had a bonfire on the 1st or 2nd or 3rd instead of the 31st, your response likely would be similar.

I think the most obvious solution is that someone that lives in the junkyard murdered her. The boyfriend is a small possibility and should have been an immediate suspect - especially after her voicemail was hacked into and her voicemails were deleted. That is not normal activity.

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Police hating somebody does not mean they are willing to risk their own career and prison time by framing that somebody for murder. The notion that the "real murderers" were counting on the police helping to frame Steven is extremely far fetched.

What exactly do you think happened? Can you think of a scenario step by step, like I did a few pages back, that adequately explains all the evidence? For example, surely you don't think somebody else in the family burned her on the 31st in Steven's bonfire? He would obviously see that. So they had to burn her elsewhere either that same night or hide her body somewhere for a day or so. Where would they do that? What evidence is there of such a thing happening?

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I think it's nuts that you dudes think that the police else happened to catch Taresa Halbach right after she left Avery's place, killed her, burned her body (lucking out that Steven Avery happened to have a bonfire that night)

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Has anyone on this thread posted anything about the cops killing Teresa? I've seen a lot of posts with "Cops killed Teresa - 0%" .

Can you please quote the post where someone accuses the cops of killing Teresa?

Again, I find myself asking the question "Did I miss something or am I dealing with hypothetical scenarios which didn't happen?"

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I think it's nuts that you dudes think that the police else happened to catch Taresa Halbach right after she left Avery's place, killed her, burned her body (lucking out that Steven Avery happened to have a bonfire that night)

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Has anyone on this thread posted anything about the cops killing Teresa? I've seen a lot of posts with "Cops killed Teresa - 0%" .

Can you please quote the post where someone accuses the cops of killing Teresa?

Again, I find myself asking the question "Did I miss something or am I dealing with hypothetical scenarios which didn't happen?"

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Look at the rest of that post. My point was that as remote of a possibility that the police killed her might be, the possibility of somebody else like her boyfriend doing it is even MORE remote. Because all of the above would have had to happened (with the boyfriend instead of the cops) AND some other unlikely things as well. That was my point.

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My best guess at what actually happen:

After Teresa takes pictures at the Avery place, some one attacks, hits her on the head, throws her in the back of her RAV4, drives it to the nearby quarry, rapes her, shoots her, burns the body. They leave with the burnt remains and RAV4 at the quarry.

Cop finds the RAV4 with blood stains in the back and burnt remains and arrest Avery. They then move the RAV4 on to Avery's lot and move the bones to his fire pit and trash barrel, but miss some which are left behind.

The culprit may be Avery, his brother-in-law and step-nephew, or some ex-boyfriend who followed her. Since there is inconclusive evidence for the actual culprit, the cops plant the key as evidence to ensure a conviction. Following Brandon Massey's wildass story, they plant a bullet in the garage to corroborate that.

Assuming that the RAV4 was left at the quarry (ie the cops found it off site), that almost ensures it was a two person job because you'd need two cars to leave the RAV4 behind.

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I don't think the cops were involved in the murder or intentionally covering it up. I think they were just lazy and that groupthink had convinced them that Steve Avery was a rapist before the Halbach murder.

When Teresa was murdered near his house, they automatically assumed it was Steve and didn't really investigate all the potential suspects.

Rather than risk letting him walk free again, they took it upon themselves to ensure that there is sufficient evidence to convict him.

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I have opined that only one or two cops planted evidence (Lenk and Colburn) and the rest of the investigators were either too incompetent to notice or too loyal to the police fraternity to question the evidence.

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It was not exactly a secret that the police hated him. He was suing the county for enough to bankrupt it and that included their pensions, according to one article I read. Insurance wouldn't cover framing him for rape. I am sure anyone in that tiny little county knew about it, since it made national news when he was released. We are talking about a county with the population the size of Temple or New Braunfels. To suggest the quick assumption by the police wouldn't be "Avery did it" it crazy, especially when they had a history of framing him for felonies.

I bet that anyone that lives in a trailer at a junkyard with multiple burn piles and burn barrels burns things fairly often. If he had a bonfire on the 1st or 2nd or 3rd instead of the 31st, your response likely would be similar.

I think the most obvious solution is that someone that lives in the junkyard murdered her. The boyfriend is a small possibility and should have been an immediate suspect - especially after her voicemail was hacked into and her voicemails were deleted. That is not normal activity.

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Police hating somebody does not mean they are willing to risk their own career and prison time by framing that somebody for murder. The notion that the "real murderers" were counting on the police helping to frame Steven is extremely far fetched.

What exactly do you think happened? Can you think of a scenario step by step, like I did a few pages back, that adequately explains all the evidence? For example, surely you don't think somebody else in the family burned her on the 31st in Steven's bonfire? He would obviously see that. So they had to burn her elsewhere either that same night or hide her body somewhere for a day or so. Where would they do that? What evidence is there of such a thing happening?

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I think she photographed the minivan and tried to leave. The murderer stopped her and hit her over the head, creating a gash and threw her in the back of the Rav4 and drove to the quarry. She was murdered and burned at the quarry where her pelvis was foun. The Rav4 was left there. On Nov 3rd, the police found the site of the burn and the Rav4. They moved the Rav4 to the Avery junkyard, planted the blood and kept the key (or found the key in her apartment and never found her real key.) If Steve was the killer, he left the body at the scene and the police shoved the bones into a box and planted it behind his trailer in the burn pile. If Scott & Bobby were the killers, they shoveled the bones into a box and threw it in Steve's burn pile. Police found lots of used bullets and planted one in the garage. I can't imagine any way Steve would have killed her, moved the bones to directly behind his trailer to burn longer and never move the remains away from there after they burned up more. If he burned them at the quarry, moved them to his house to make sure they all burned up completely, why would he not make sure the body of someone people are going to be looking for was absolutely not in the pile anymore? He had three full days to move them again or put them in his smelter to really make them disappear.

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He left with his family to a cabin 100 miles away the next day. Whatever happened, attempts to burn/spread bodyparts/smelt/move car,etc. happened that day and/or night. Didn't have 3 days to clean up a mess.

The fact that the family left for the cabin the next day(limiting time to clean up fully,etc. supports the theory that he(or whoever killed her) was sloppy with the cleanup.

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He had three full days to move them again or put them in his smelter to really make them disappear.

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He left with his family to a cabin 100 miles away the next day. Whatever happened, attempts to burn/spread bodyparts/smelt/move car,etc. happened that day and/or night. Didn't have 3 days to clean up a mess.

The fact that the family left for the cabin the next day(limiting time to clean up fully,etc. supports the theory that he(or whoever killed her) was sloppy with the cleanup.

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But he didn't HAVE to leave the next day. He could have said he wasn't feeling good and stayed back to make sure he didn't leave any evidence of the giant murder he just committed. He had three days before people started looking for her.

Sure, but he did. He's not smart. We all know that. But you can't say he had 3 days to clean it up when he (willingly) wasn't there. Even though he left by himself, that still shortened his time to dispose of the body to basically 18 hours at the most.

Trying to think like a dumbass who used *67 to hide identity, request someone specifically to come to the property, kill her, rush to destroy evidence and clean up, make one more phone call to try and place her alive "after" her death, cover it up on the property with family lingering around, it'd make sense that he would stupidly then take the next step to go to the cabin with family to give him an alibi and be away from the area when she would ultimately be reported missing.