who took that photo? Is someone in the family just selling random photos to media outlets?

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Bones left in the rock quarry had consistent burning with those found in the barrel and at Steven Avery's pit. That's why I think the bones were moved later after they had finished cooling.

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Consistent in what way? Burned about the same amount?

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The scientific terms from the forensic anthropologist are here a couple pages back, but yes burned the same amount.

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So I'm not an expert on burning human bodies, but...

A human is pretty big. I think it would be hard to burn a single human in one fire and have the skull, foot, hand, hip, etc. all burn equally unless you burn it to ash and stir it up like soup the whole time. So I wonder what sort of tolerance the forensic anthropologists are talking about there. Surely they aren't saying that each bone was burned exactly the same amount to the very last minute. It would take an oven to do something like that.

I can see Avery burning her at the quarry pit for a while, then wanting to leave, and so shoveling what he can see at dusk/night (the pieces that looked like they are not quite "done" yet) into the burn barrel and taking that to his burn pit. And then burning it some more.

The pieces left behind would, by nature, already be burned up pretty damned good and would still sit there in embers for a while too. Avery would burn the pieces left over until they were "done" too. In the end, everything is pretty much burned up into little bits.

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http://i.imgur.com/1kGvsB2.jpg

Dassey and Avery watching news reports about Teresa.

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That couch is the only thing that should have gotten murdered on those premises...

I wonder what else is on that roll of film (or digitial media). I don't think I have ever had my picture taken of me watching TV. What would inspire somebody to pull out a camera and take that picture at that particular moment in time?

I think Special Agent Amy Lehmann is kinda hot.


Does anyone here think Steve Avery is 100% innocent?

That photo is creeping me out but if it is at the cabin it would make sense that they are watching news about a local woman gone missing...especially since he saw her recently.

If they are at the cabin it could just be a candid shot and coincidentally happened while they're parked in front of the tube.

Interesting though. And a little chilling.

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One of the biggest questions still lingering for me was the obvious tampering of evidence (blood tube) from the 1985 case. It didn't appear that the state even attempted to defend or offer an explanation as to why the evidence seals were cut. Who would be in charge of making sure a county or municipal law enforcement is following proper procedures and preserving some chain of custody for evidence?

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Theres is an explanation, but obviously the documentary isn't going to get into that because it doesn't fit the filmmakers' agenda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400603/Key-Making-Murderer-evidence-disputed-Puncture-hole-blood-vial-allegedly-used-frame-Steven-Avery-standard-practice.html

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The series makes no mention of the fact that piercing the seals of such tubes would be standard practice while filling them.

The defense team also presented evidence that the tape sealing the package was legitimately broken on June 19, 2002, by then-district attorney E. James Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald and members of Avery's defense team recorded breaking into the package during Avery's appeal against his rape conviction while deciding what to send for additional testing.

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That information is pretty good. I had my blood drawn for labs at the doctor a few days after watching this series and noticed that they poked a syringe tube thing into my arm and then filled up several vials. Each one kind of clicked into the tube and, presumably, punctured the top "plug". Afterward they were all laying on the counter and each of the tops had a small hole..."about the size of a hyperdermic needle."

Stupid on the part of the documentarian not to acknowledge anything about it in my opinion. In "Serial" they at least looked at both sides of the coin.

It's a little tough believing that an evidence seal was broken and then the box sealed back up with scotch tape, but it also doesn't surprise me that a little podunk town wouldn't be too "by the book" on things.

The more time that passes the more difficulty I have believing Avery isn't somehow involved. My biggest issue is still that in a first degree murder charge, there at least appears to be some reasonable doubt.

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One of the biggest questions still lingering for me was the obvious tampering of evidence (blood tube) from the 1985 case. It didn't appear that the state even attempted to defend or offer an explanation as to why the evidence seals were cut. Who would be in charge of making sure a county or municipal law enforcement is following proper procedures and preserving some chain of custody for evidence?

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Theres is an explanation, but obviously the documentary isn't going to get into that because it doesn't fit the filmmakers' agenda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400603/Key-Making-Murderer-evidence-disputed-Puncture-hole-blood-vial-allegedly-used-frame-Steven-Avery-standard-practice.html

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The series makes no mention of the fact that piercing the seals of such tubes would be standard practice while filling them.

The defense team also presented evidence that the tape sealing the package was legitimately broken on June 19, 2002, by then-district attorney E. James Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald and members of Avery's defense team recorded breaking into the package during Avery's appeal against his rape conviction while deciding what to send for additional testing.

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That information is pretty good. I had my blood drawn for labs at the doctor a few days after watching this series and noticed that they poked a syringe tube thing into my arm and then filled up several vials. Each one kind of clicked into the tube and, presumably, punctured it. Afterward they were all laying on the counter and each of the tops had a small hole..."about the size of a hyperdermic needle."

Stupid on the part of the documentarian not to acknowledge anything about it in my opinion. In "Serial" they at least looked at both sides of the coin.

It's a little tough believing that an evidence seal was broken and then the box sealed back up with scotch tape, but it also doesn't surprise me that a little podunk town wouldn't be too "by the book" on things.

The more time that passes the more difficulty I have believing Avery isn't somehow involved. My biggest issue is still that in a first degree murder charge, there at least appears to be some reasonable doubt.

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I think they also said there was some blood in the case that held the tube of blood as though blood had been withdrawn with a hypodermic needle, though.

I'm still suspect of the boyfriend, or ex-boyfriend as it were.

The testimony of Halbach's co-worker (boss?) intrigued me. Who is this annoying caller that Halbach is rolling her eyes and irritated wth when she sees it on the caller id...?

Some people suspect the brother. I just don't see anything there.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/jurytrialtranscripts/

So Reddit crowd funded the transcripts of his trial. They are all online and searchable. Cost $2700.

Lots of the evidence photos: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/

I think the brother's demeanor in interviews came off odd to some people. In my mind, he simply was numb or worn down. if you're in the position where your sister has been murdered and her body burned in a pit in a auto salvage yard, you're not going to give the creep in the trailer the benefit of the doubt. He may have realized at some point the cops did some shady dealings bit believed the guy was guilty and just cast his lot all in with the prosecution.

I still don't see how the roommate doesn't report her missing for 3 days. Weird.

Yeah, Alec Baldwin came out against the brother. I thought that was really stupid.

Kratz to Steven Avery: Confess to me so I can make millions off the book!

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Kratz to Steven Avery: Confess to me so I can make millions off the book!

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Avery should throw that letter in his next bombfire.

I <3 that

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Investigation Discovery episode on Avery:

http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/steven-avery-innocent-or-guilty/steven-avery-innocent-or-guilty-video/steven-avery-innocent-or-guilty/

Just finished Episode 9. I wanted to punch everyone in the face. The way Brendan was prosecuted was just deplorable. Regardless if SA is guilty or not, Brendan deserves a new trial with lawyers who know what they are doing.

F*** that corrupt sheriff's department, Kratz, and that terrible PD who was in cahoots with the prosecution.

People in Wisconsin are ugly AF.

I just finished and I thought it was really biased to make Avery look innocent. I did feel like Dassey got a raw deal, but I went and read his entire confession and it's clear that he was there and Avery killed Teresa. There are too many details that he provided which he provided that would have been secret at that time. He provides the location of her purse and cell phone (left out of the documentary), the location of the burn piles, and the location of the key in his bedroom. He also describes the cut on Avery's finger. Dassey's lawyer did suck, but I doubt Dassey would have got off with OJs defense team. The best he could hope for was a plea deal, but that would have meant turning on his uncle and I think the family convinced him not to do that. Honestly, after reading the confession I think the film makers should be ashamed of the manipulation they performed.

Police definitely manipulated him, and it's probable his statement isn't 100% accurate, but Dassey knew far too much information that was not public. He knew that her cell phone and purse was in a burn barrel. He knew the key was in the small bookcase. He knew the body was put into the back of the car. He knew Avery took two phone calls from his girl friend in jail. He knew Avery had a cut on his finger and which finger had the cut. He knew the location of the bones. He knew the bones had been chopped up. He knew they were buried. The part about shooting her is definitely questionable, but I have no doubt Avery killed the girl and Dassey helped dispose of the body.

It is not just probable his statement wasn't 100% accurate, it is absolutely definite. He contradicted himself and when he contradicted evidence they already had, they made him change his story.

All the things you said are things the police already knew and led him to, with the exception that they don't know that she was chopped up. There is zero evidence that she was chopped up.

He contradicted himself several times because he was lying. If he wasn't involved though, how did he know Avery received two phone calls from his gf in jail at the same time Dassey originally said he was playing video games? How did Dassey know the body had been in the back of the car? How did Dassey know the key was in the bookcase? How did Dassey know the cell phone was in the burn barrel? The police already all of this information. Thats why they were leading him into this areas. If Dassey gives them the same information it means his story is true.

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this thread is never going to die because each time someone in the texags universe finishes the doc, instead of reading through this thread, they're going to come post their amazing insight and go round and round with guitarsoup over arguments already made 100 times prior.

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What evidence did Dassey provide in the interview that was corroborated by physical evidence and the cops didn't already know?

From my understanding, everything Dassey said was either known by the cops (ie forced confession) or was not corroborated by physical evidence (ie made up)

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Or things that he saw in a movie. Which he basically admitted on the stand.

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this thread is never going to die because each time someone in the texags universe finishes the doc, instead of reading through this thread, they're going to come post their amazing insight and go round and round with guitarsoup over arguments already made 100 times prior.

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And always convinced 100% that Avery did it or didn't do it!

I'm convinced Brendan Dassey should not be in jail. What they did to that kid is disgusting. And the prosecutor/detectives aren't dumb. They know exactly what they did to that low IQ kid, yet they still allowed it to take place. Somehow they live with it in a haze of their own cognitive dissonance.

They couldn't even use his false confession in Steve Avery's trial because he was so unreliable. I thought that was the whole point of manipulating him. Not only did they have to scrap using his confession but they still tossed the kid in jail.

As far as Steve Avery you could make a case that any of the "main" evidence points (bullet, key, bones, blood) were planted. As a non-juror I think it is inconclusive that anything was or wasn't planted. This entire case seems to hinge on finding EDTA in those blood stains. In 2006 they weren't able to find it. If they find it in 2016 then Avery should walk as the entire case collapses. I'm not at all convinced that Avery is innocent. Which is likely why there is no EDTA to be found. But if I were a juror I'm not sure I would be able to push the guilty button.

The Manitowoc County Sheriff Department mostly did this to themselves. If they would have removed themselves early in the process then people wouldn't be able to ask questions about any found evidence.