Talk about dodging a bullet there...now we just have to survive the next 15-20 minutes

Jesus

Well this is a special kind of train wreck

Trash club

We are hilariously bad.

Thunder18 said:

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You guys excited about Europa

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We ain't finishing 3rd in the group my friend. We're finishing last.

Well… that was… something.

60 million for Onana

Glazers: "Look how many views we are getting! We are upping our price to 12 billion!"

And not to be hyperbolic after a loss but honestly...what do you think is more likely by 2030?

1) United win the league
2) United get relegated

I honestly think 2 is more likely at this point. I don't think either are highly likely but if I had to pick one, I would say number 2. We know that the club has slowly eroded in performance over the last 10 years. We know that while there are occasional moments of small success, there has never been anything approaching a real title challenge or true success at the highest level. Every year, the team gets further and further away from greatness. The highs become less high and the lows become even lower.

There's no reason to think it will not be the same for the next 10 years. The Glazers are never selling this club. It's not happening. And eventually, at this rate, I'd actually say that by 2030 I would expect to be mid-table at best when things are good and battling relegation when things are bad. There are already at least 7 clubs who are clearly better at being a football club (on and off the pitch) than United. No doubt in my mind that 2-3 more clubs could creep above them in the next 7 years.

I know things can always get worse... neither feels probable, but I think #1 is MUCH more likely. Not like I give us a good chance of winning the league. But United's worst EVER finish is what... 7th?

We are definitely not on a positive trajectory and maybe this will end up being our worst year ever, but that is a LONG way to fall in a relatively short time.

Worst finish was 7th the year after the last title and the year with Moyes.

Since 2013, we have finished:

7th: 1 time
6th: 3 times
5th: 1 time
4th: 1 time
3rd: 2 times
2nd: 2 times

(Note we finished as low as 6th as recently as 2022 so it's not like we're far removed from one of our worst finishes ever)

We've finished outside the top 4 as many times as we've finished inside the top 4. This year will make it more times outside than inside. Our average position has been 4.4. In the 10 years from 2004 to 2013 (which mostly aligns with when the Glazers took control of the club), our average position was 1.7.

At that rate of decay, it's not inconceivable...and I would say it's highly likely...that the average position for the next 10 years (so 2033) would be about 7th or so. At a minimum.

But I would argue that once you slip out of the top 4 on a regular basis, the drop down the table accelerates because you don't have CL money and even though the Glazers may think their club's commercial power is infinite, it's not. We're already seeing that it's not. The club is BROKE. Add in the fact there are a lot more clubs with money, stadiums, and organizations that can compete with United...a lot more than there were 20 years ago, and I definitely think a mid table club at best who is occasionally closer to relegation than it would like is more likely in 2030 than a championship.

I'm not saying we should be crawling on our hands and knees begging David de Gea to please come back, but..

We should be crawling on our hands and knees begging David de Gea to please come back.

Think we might have found our number 9 some positive from todays game.

Thank God for that. It's the only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope right now.

On the positive side, I can probably cancel my Peacock subscription soon.

LarryDavid said:

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Think we might have found our number 9 some positive from todays game.

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It's ironic that for so long, the consensus was that a 9 was the only thing holding the team back from progressing. Now we have one, and everyone else decided to turn into a turd.

Evans and Maguire start at CB. Lindelof at LB.

We have 3 recognized LBs on our roster and we're still stuck with starting Lindelof at LB in the beginning of October. Injuries of course don't explain everything but it is kind of absurd how many injuries this team has.

And we get the defensive partnership of Maguire and Evans. Fun.

That was brutal. We are so bad.

Glazeholes losing again

That was three horrible plays in one. You expect it from Maguire and from a Lindelof playing way out of position but Casemiro's decline has been significant.

Onana didn't do a whole lot to save it either. We are just broken right now.

Yeah and it's not looking likely they'll be fixed anytime soon. They don't seem capable of getting themselves out of this. If some players return in January (Lisandro, Shaw, etc.) then maybe that will do it. But if these players haven't done it by now, then they are likely not going to. It's only going to get harder.

Get the damn ball on frame!

McTominay comes on and potentially saves the point late

McTominay with a late brace to absolutely STEAL this game

So who had Mctominay with the extra time brace? Wow.

I absolutely love that for Scott. And for me. But also for him. What an insane ending.

Needed that win!

Wow. What a win. 90+ minutes of pure disappointment with massive bail out from McTominay continuing the form he showed with Scotland as of late…

Also worth noting that it was Maguire who won the header off that 50 yard free kick and placed it perfectly for Scott. Gotta give the man credit when it is due.

Qatar giving up (likely) per Fabrizio.

On the bright side, I don't have to try and rationalize Qatari ownership. I did hear a rumor that Ratcliffe approached the Glazers with a minority offer. If true, I'm sure they'll jump on that and everyone gets what they want except the fans.