I tend to agree with you here. I think this season is a wash at this point with the number of holes that need to be filled, and a winning season/playoff appearance probably means McCarthy keeps his jobTksymm7 said:
I don't disagree with not being active at the deadline rn. The players that we have and would actually bring value in return for a trade can be traded in the offseason or closer to the draft.
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All in the dumpster.
One, they are too stupid to realize that.Tksymm7 said:
I don't disagree with not being active at the deadline rn. The players that we have and would actually bring value in return for a trade can be traded in the offseason or closer to the draft.
Two, Stephen would just get fleeced in the trade (like giving away Amari for a sixth, whom Buffalo just traded a third for).
Mac is gone because the new coach will be what Jerry sells next season. Ben Johnson treated the Lion game like an interview.
Would you trade Micah to Detroit for a First Round pick? First and Second?
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If Ben Johnson had options at all, which he has and he does and he will… why in the world would he coach for Jerrah? Seriously
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Poot said:
If Ben Johnson had options at all, which he has and he does and he will… why in the world would he coach for Jerrah? Seriously
If I believed in myself as a coach with a vert bright future no way would I take the Cowboys job. Just too many culture issues to overcome and ownership that won't spend money to add new needs pieces
I think you have to consider it. Other than taking over for Andy Reid after he leaves what is another job that would look more appealing? Bengals, Patriots and Seahawks might be better spots to land. I think the Bills would be a tie with their cap situation.
I would rather have to work with Dak over Lawrence, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Dalton, Rodgers, Levis, Vegas QB situation, Nix.
I would rather have to work with Dak over Lawrence, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Dalton, Rodgers, Levis, Vegas QB situation, Nix.
because very few of the options will have a QB and WR already in place.Poot said:
If Ben Johnson had options at all, which he has and he does and he will… why in the world would he coach for Jerrah? Seriously
eagles & bengals are the only potential openings with those pieces already on the team.
- 32nd in Rushing Offense
— Outl✭w (@OutlawCowboyNFL) October 17, 2024
- 32nd in Receiver separation
- Bottom 10 Pass Blocking OL
- Atrocious HC play calling
- Bottom 3 Defense
And yet, I’m seeing…
“Dak has to overcome the bad play around him and carry the team for the $ he makes.”
You people are mentally handicapped.🤦🏻♂️ pic.twitter.com/x21sTZYDDj
YUP!!!!!
I've said it I don't know how many times... Dak came in as a rookie and knew how to play NFL QB right away. That is EXTREMELY rare.
There are a few things that you can point to that are the BIG problems for this team and DAK is NOT one of them. Dak is one of reasons we are .500 and not winless right now.
I've said it I don't know how many times... Dak came in as a rookie and knew how to play NFL QB right away. That is EXTREMELY rare.
There are a few things that you can point to that are the BIG problems for this team and DAK is NOT one of them. Dak is one of reasons we are .500 and not winless right now.
jr15aggie said:
YUP!!!!!
I've said it I don't know how many times... Dak came in as a rookie and knew how to play NFL QB right away. That is EXTREMELY rare.
There are a few things that you can point to that are the BIG problems for this team and DAK is NOT one of them. Dak is one of reasons we are .500 and not winless right now.
Agree.
Also, if you listened to Aikman on w the musers this morning, he flat out said the WRs are poor route runners. He called out the WRs, big time.
Dak is not one of the issues with this team, and I don't think anyone would really argue otherwise. As was stated above there are much bigger problems at the moment. However, what we have seen so far this season does reinforce that he is not an elevator of players around him, and instead tells us that he needs a really good run game and offensive line to be successful.jr15aggie said:
YUP!!!!!
I've said it I don't know how many times... Dak came in as a rookie and knew how to play NFL QB right away. That is EXTREMELY rare.
There are a few things that you can point to that are the BIG problems for this team and DAK is NOT one of them. Dak is one of reasons we are .500 and not winless right now.
Tksymm7 said:Dak is not one of the issues with this team, and I don't think anyone would really argue otherwise. As was stated above there are much bigger problems at the moment. However, what we have seen so far this season does reinforce that he is not an elevator of players around him, and instead tells us that he needs a really good run game and offensive line to be successful.jr15aggie said:
YUP!!!!!
I've said it I don't know how many times... Dak came in as a rookie and knew how to play NFL QB right away. That is EXTREMELY rare.
There are a few things that you can point to that are the BIG problems for this team and DAK is NOT one of them. Dak is one of reasons we are .500 and not winless right now.
I actually would take some issue with this. Dallas has had some WRs experience some success with Dak. I think some of these guys can thank Dak for helping them financially:
Gallup - 3rd Round pick - $57m contract (only got about 23)
Ced Wilson - 5th Round pick - $22m contract
Noah Brown - 7th Round Pick - has had a solid career
Cole Beasley - UFA - $29m deal when he left
Terrance Williams - 3rd Round pick - $17m
That's pretty darn good return on those guys especially considering where they were drafted.
Former Cowboys QB Troy Aikman on @dfwticket on Dallas' wide receivers: "I think the routes are terrible. I think they run terrible routes. And I've thought that beyond this year. I think CeeDee (Lamb) has got to improve in his route running. As a quarterback, if you're not…
— Jon Machota (@jonmachota) October 17, 2024
This is my shocked face -_-FightinFarrier18 said:Former Cowboys QB Troy Aikman on @dfwticket on Dallas' wide receivers: "I think the routes are terrible. I think they run terrible routes. And I've thought that beyond this year. I think CeeDee (Lamb) has got to improve in his route running. As a quarterback, if you're not…
— Jon Machota (@jonmachota) October 17, 2024
No matter what!
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and to me, that all comes down to culture....which is all the jones family cartoon cowboys bs and fat mike. we're a joke of a franchise.FightinFarrier18 said:Former Cowboys QB Troy Aikman on @dfwticket on Dallas' wide receivers: "I think the routes are terrible. I think they run terrible routes. And I've thought that beyond this year. I think CeeDee (Lamb) has got to improve in his route running. As a quarterback, if you're not…
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I generally think if the QB and the WR make a different read on the defense, its almost always the WRs mistake.
Dak is not a perfect QB, but hes easily good enough to win it all if the rest of the team is there. Im not sure I believe he can play well enough to outweight weaknessess elsewhere enough throughout the course of the season and playoffs anymore, though.
You dont have to have Mahomes to win a super bowl, and its not like he is playing with bums either.
Dak is not a perfect QB, but hes easily good enough to win it all if the rest of the team is there. Im not sure I believe he can play well enough to outweight weaknessess elsewhere enough throughout the course of the season and playoffs anymore, though.
You dont have to have Mahomes to win a super bowl, and its not like he is playing with bums either.
PatAg said:
I generally think if the QB and the WR make a different read on the defense, its almost always the WRs mistake.
Dak is not a perfect QB, but hes easily good enough to win it all if the rest of the team is there. Im not sure I believe he can play well enough to outweight weaknessess elsewhere enough throughout the course of the season and playoffs anymore, though.
You dont have to have Mahomes to win a super bowl, and its not like he is playing with bums either.
I tend to agree. Say what you will about Dak, he historically, has a pretty low rate of turnovers. He doesn't have elite physical tools so he's had to live on making smart choices and being very accurate compared to the scouting report on him coming out of college.
When he came out, he wasn't considered a great passer of the football. He's worked his butt off and become a very good NFL QB.
Also, Romo made the comment (as have other QBs) that once he really felt he was mastering the position of QB from a mental standpoint, was when his body gave out and didn't allow him to do the job physically. In general, QBs just get so much better at the mental part of the game, so I agree with your first point that Dak should get the benefit of the doubt on situations like that.
What Dak needs more than anything is a solid o line and an effective run game. He's not built to drop back and throw the ball 35+ times. He's got an average arm, and at times isn't all that accurate with the football, and needs easier throws.
On top of that, when your WR room only has one good player in it, but they are all loafing around, its a recipe for some really poor ball on offense.
Someone above said it best; the Cowboys have a really poor culture from ownership on down, and there needs to be a major reset at the top and accountability throughout.
On top of that, when your WR room only has one good player in it, but they are all loafing around, its a recipe for some really poor ball on offense.
Someone above said it best; the Cowboys have a really poor culture from ownership on down, and there needs to be a major reset at the top and accountability throughout.
agree.Tksymm7 said:
What Dak needs more than anything is a solid o line and an effective run game. He's not built to drop back and throw the ball 35+ times. He's got an average arm, and at times isn't all that accurate with the football, and needs easier throws.
On top of that, when your WR room only has one good player in it, but they are all loafing around, its a recipe for some really poor ball on offense.
Someone above said it best; the Cowboys have a really poor culture from ownership on down, and there needs to be a major reset at the top and accountability throughout.
One of the Detroit DBs was on the radio this week and basically said CD is the only weapon Dak has. Once they take him out, they have zero worry about the rest of the guys.
I do think the best thing they could do is try to get a RB w some explosiveness. There are some folks online that do the All 22 study that say the Dallas OL has been better at run blocking than the numbers would indicate. They just don't have anyone at RB w juice to make something happen.
They need to start by dropping Zeke like a bag of rocks and give Dowdle all of the snaps until further notice.
Agree.
The only role Zeke could help the roster is in short yardage, but frankly, I think Luepke is better so he's just a wasted roster spot right now.
The only role Zeke could help the roster is in short yardage, but frankly, I think Luepke is better so he's just a wasted roster spot right now.
Agree on all points.Tksymm7 said:
What Dak needs more than anything is a solid o line and an effective run game. He's not built to drop back and throw the ball 35+ times. He's got an average arm, and at times isn't all that accurate with the football, and needs easier throws.
On top of that, when your WR room only has one good player in it, but they are all loafing around, its a recipe for some really poor ball on offense.
Someone above said it best; the Cowboys have a really poor culture from ownership on down, and there needs to be a major reset at the top and accountability throughout.
That rep officially moves Tolbert to the bust category. And their only weapon is a moody guy that takes plays off.
So does every QB worth a damn.Tksymm7 said:
What Dak needs more than anything is a solid o line and an effective run game.
No matter what!
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Dak's not the reason they are getting smoked, but he's the reason they can't improve the roster. Dak is a $40MM quarterback that they are paying $60MM. He doesn't elevate other players, he's the opposite, he needs help to produce.
This is very well said, but if they wanted to keep Dak, they had to pay him what they did. They were forced to either keep Dak, or blow things up and get a rookie QB or journeyman QB, but in neither case is the rest of their roster good enough to support it.Agristotle said:
Dak's not the reason they are getting smoked, but he's the reason they can't improve the roster. Dak is a $40MM quarterback that they are paying $60MM. He doesn't elevate other players, he's the opposite, he needs help to produce.
I'll push back here. The best of the best QBs can work with mediocre to average o line play. Josh Allen's line has been average for years; Mahomes line has been average at best for a bit now; Rogers had lines that were beat to hell and he still performed at MVP levels. Now, those are the elite of the elite, and I'll concede that no one can produce behind a BAD offensive lines, but it can be done behind mid offensive line play.
Bull.Spaceship said:This is very well said, but if they wanted to keep Dak, they had to pay him what they did. They were forced to either keep Dak, or blow things up and get a rookie QB or journeyman QB, but in neither case is the rest of their roster good enough to support it.Agristotle said:
Dak's not the reason they are getting smoked, but he's the reason they can't improve the roster. Dak is a $40MM quarterback that they are paying $60MM. He doesn't elevate other players, he's the opposite, he needs help to produce.
That's letting the front office off the hook. They have over $20m in cap space right now. Had they done the Dak and CD deal sooner like everyone knew they had to, they could have had plenty of cap space to add to this roster.
The 'Dallas can't do this because of the salary cap' is such a wrong headed take.
Mid- OL would be an improvement. They are in the bottom 10 of pass blocking.Tksymm7 said:
I'll push back here. The best of the best QBs can work with mediocre to average o line play. Josh Allen's line has been average for years; Mahomes line has been average at best for a bit now; Rogers had lines that were beat to hell and he still performed at MVP levels. Now, those are the elite of the elite, and I'll concede that no one can produce behind a BAD offensive lines, but it can be done behind mid offensive line play.
Oh I agree, we are bad on the o line.
We're saying the same thing in different ways. The front office drug their feet on Dak to the point where they either had to pay him $60M or $0, and combining that with general poor management of the rest of their roster, they've created the current situation on the field. I'm not letting the front office off the hook - its the opposite.Macarthur said:Bull.Spaceship said:This is very well said, but if they wanted to keep Dak, they had to pay him what they did. They were forced to either keep Dak, or blow things up and get a rookie QB or journeyman QB, but in neither case is the rest of their roster good enough to support it.Agristotle said:
Dak's not the reason they are getting smoked, but he's the reason they can't improve the roster. Dak is a $40MM quarterback that they are paying $60MM. He doesn't elevate other players, he's the opposite, he needs help to produce.
That's letting the front office off the hook. They have over $20m in cap space right now. Had they done the Dak and CD deal sooner like everyone knew they had to, they could have had plenty of cap space to add to this roster.
The 'Dallas can't do this because of the salary cap' is such a wrong headed take.
Ok, I'd just like to point out that even with the mismanagement of those contract negotiations, they STILL have room to make moves, if they really wanted to.
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