TRM said:Sean Spicer, Jonah Goldberg, Nate Silver, etc. are not DeSantis people. Trump was winning, but this effected the margins and the delegate allocation.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:GAC06 said:Tom Kazansky 2012 said:GAC06 said:
You're trying to equivocate what Trump himself claimed (repeatedly) with what anonymous randos on the internet implied.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
You're moving the goal posts. Just yesterday the "trump cult" was predicted to cry cheating if trump lost. Now TDs people are.
Cry uncle. I'm not letting you off the mat on this. Own it and let your trump sized ego go.
If Trump lost he would absolutely have claimed cheating like he always has. You're trying to compare that to some rando anonymous guy on the internet. It's pathetic.
I'm only seeing Desantis people claim media manipulation now. Why is that?
Since you can't figure it out or are just being obtuse. The perception of the outcome is different if Trump has less than 50% support. The party is ready to move on from him rather than reanoint him. DeSantis reaching 25% makes him the clear alternative over Haley. We'd have a race with any consolidation taking place.
The exit polling from the caucuses done by FoxNews said that, of the 4 candidates, DeSantis was the least likely to gain support from caucus goers of other candidates in last night's contest... Don't like it? Fine...take it up with FoxNews... I don't control what their data said...Gap said:This is a discussion board. It was an opinion backed up by my 2nd sentence to support my opinion.FireAg said:Simply no proof to back that up...especially when exit polling said that DeSantis was the most popular choice when voters were asked "who would you never vote for?"...Gap said:
Most all of Vivek's voters will go to DeSantis. If they wanted to vote for Trump, they already would have been doing so.
Can you link your proof breaking out how Vivek's 7% wouldn't vote for DeSantis?
I would love to see that data and not just because you are making that statement and claiming you have proof, but because I would find it very surprising.
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
With all due respect, DeSantis is likley going to finish 3rd in the next two...there is merit to what Haley said...P.H. Dexippus said:
Dumbass
LOL. I will answer for them as they breathe through their nose free face.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
What makes you think that Trump won't claim the election was stolen, again, and come right back in 2028? He can run for President until he is re-elected, or dies. And probably will.J. Walter Weatherman said:
The amount of Republicans who will leave president blank or vote third party will also hopefully be enough to purge Trump and trumpism from the party for good. It's a losing message in the long run.
bobbranco said:LOL. I will answer for them as they breathe through their nose free face.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
Answer:
"I don't care, I took my doll, cried along the way as I stomped my feet back home."
Sounds like Trump was very effective at demonizing conservatism to me. So let's put him at the front of the line, so we can get the Keynesian Big Government type, but with an R next to his name. That's way better than having the Keynesian Big Government guy with the D next to his name.FireAg said:The exit polling from the caucuses done by FoxNews said that, of the 4 candidates, DeSantis was the least likely to gain support from caucus goers of other candidates in last night's contest... Don't like it? Fine...take it up with FoxNews... I don't control what their data said...Gap said:This is a discussion board. It was an opinion backed up by my 2nd sentence to support my opinion.FireAg said:Simply no proof to back that up...especially when exit polling said that DeSantis was the most popular choice when voters were asked "who would you never vote for?"...Gap said:
Most all of Vivek's voters will go to DeSantis. If they wanted to vote for Trump, they already would have been doing so.
Can you link your proof breaking out how Vivek's 7% wouldn't vote for DeSantis?
I would love to see that data and not just because you are making that statement and claiming you have proof, but because I would find it very surprising.
So for the sake of argument, if that is a true representation of Iowans, it means that there's a decent chance that some blanket statement opinion saying Ramaswamy votes would go to a candidate who was the least favorable of the non-DeSantis voting bloc is proably inaccurate...
As expected, the Biden campaign is already pumping out fundraising emails off of Trump's projected Iowa victory.
— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 16, 2024
Expect a massive haul and increasing Dem enthusiasm. Trump motivates Democrats like no other Republican in modern history. This is why they want to run against him. pic.twitter.com/UPbByrq0WE
The goal is to get any Democrat/leftist out, by hook, crook or Trump if necessary.Agthatbuilds said:
Just answer the question. It's simple.
Is the goal to get Trump elected or is it to have Republicans take control of the white house?
And, BTW, I'm not a never trumper. Geez you people are overly sensitive
NEW: Alpha male @RonDeSantis outperforms RCP polling average in Iowa by over 5 points in final Iowa caucus results after entry polling showed him winning plurality of late-breaking voters. https://t.co/PA0ltzBVMI
— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 16, 2024
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
Despite the media narrative that Trump overwhelmingly won Iowa. the delegate count paints a more narrow picture:
— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 16, 2024
Trump 20
RDS 8
Haley 7
Remember, @RonDeSantis is playing the long game. He's accumulating delegates and will likely take this to the convention.
Kind of makes you wonder, once again, why Iowa is always the first state to vote.dmart90 said:Dan Scott said:There are around 687,000 registered Republicans in Iowa. Less than 15% of them showed up to vote today. pic.twitter.com/AHLwgoqjkM
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) January 16, 2024
And this, boys and girls, is the problem with the primary system.
They were so ecstatic that they both refused to carry his speech? Ummm....TRM said:
CNN and MSNBC were ecstatic Trump won.
YokelRidesAgain said:What makes you think that Trump won't claim the election was stolen, again, and come right back in 2028? He can run for President until he is re-elected, or dies. And probably will.J. Walter Weatherman said:
The amount of Republicans who will leave president blank or vote third party will also hopefully be enough to purge Trump and trumpism from the party for good. It's a losing message in the long run.
Trump may not be able to beat Basement Joe Biden (for the record, I don't believe that: I think the election is roughly even odds), but I'm quite confident that he could beat Kamala Harris.
I'm afraid you've allowed yourself to be gaslighted. I won't be voting for Trump in the general, if he's the nominees, I'll be voting against the democrats candidate to try and stem the tide of Marxism. My foundation never cracks when it comes to that.Agthatbuilds said:
I'm right there with you and have been since biden won.
Only recently have I started to question voting for trump, and that is mostly because his supporters are insufferable and I don't believe trump is running for any reasons other than grift and it's his best chance of avoiding prison
FireAg said:They were so ecstatic that they both refused to carry his speech? Ummm....TRM said:
CNN and MSNBC were ecstatic Trump won.
Unfortunately, I think the split is 20/80...TexAgs91 said:So is the GOP capable of governing? Or are they too preoccupied with bickering amongst each other?Ag with kids said:Oh...the congress sucked too. But Trump needed to lead. And he didn't.TexAgs91 said:Ag with kids said:Well, the head of the party is generally the one to do the leading. Trump was the head of the GOP. Trump failed to lead.TexAgs91 said:Ag with kids said:Then why did Congress?TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:Frok said:
Trump will just do executive orders that will be undone by the next guy.
The GOP controlled Congress in 2017 were to blame. Like Republicans always do, they snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory and did nothing with their time.
Didn't help that Trump has zero leadership skill.
Didn't help that the entire GOP congress didn't either. Maybe Republicans can't govern.
It's not on them, it's on the PotUS to lead his party in Congress. Trump doesn't have it. Nor do many in Congress, either, but it's not on them.
Yes it is. It's the first GOP congress we had in 40 years. You don't just squander that opportunity. When they got control they had no idea what to do with it.
That's when the defacto party leader, the PotUS, should step in and lead. Trump doesn't have leadership skills.
No, the problem was they let themselves be duped by Hillary's fake Russia propaganda. You don't just squander their once in 40 year control of Congress.
InB4 yes you do
FIFY, we're talking about how republicans squandered their control of congress. Not just 1 guy, but the GOP in general.
Good question. Is there something fundamentally wrong with the GOP that they are unable to lead?
They continuously find excuses to not do the right thing.
- democrats will say mean things about me
- I wasn't told to pass conservative bills
- democrats want to investigate the president for BS accusations
- mean tweets!
Thank goodness they had a speaker of the house and a senate majority leader to to pick up the slack and not blow the one opportunity they had to pass everything they've wanted to pass for the last 40 years.
Instead, after all this time, the GOP as a whole had no idea what to do.
How did Trumps screw ups in 2020 workout!!. He acted like a dear in the headlight as the Rats tried again to impeach him. He was indecisive regarding COVID, Though that one is somewhat understandable.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
Yeah...Haley voters are VERY unlikely to be pulled in by the Vote Trump or Else mantra.BoydCrowder13 said:Old Sarge said:
So, here we are. Trump wins Iowa. Likely the rest.
So, again, the question will be asked. Will those that "say" they are Republicans, "say" they are conservatives....vote for the Republican nominee instead of voting Biden (or DemocRat if they pull shenanigans), or just sit out, which is a vote for the DemocRats?
Haley is backed by DemocRats which says enough about her. Desantis looks to be second to Trump in the long run for the nomination. The Trump supporters I know would vote for DeSantis if he were to win (longshot, minimum).
But will the DeSantis backers vote Trump when the chips fall? Haley supporters are GOPe, so I know better than ask that.
Haley got near 20% tonight. If 20% of the GOP does not vote Trump, the election is over.
there are many republicans in 2024 that refuse to vote for Trump.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
There are many republicans in 2020 that refused to vote for trump in hopes that their defiance would get new leadership on the ballot and get other republicans to vote for new blood in 24.
How's that working out for y'all? Has the Biden presidency been fun?
They keep trying to pass the blame for their bad decision onto others.Rapier108 said:That accusation does not work on me, nor does guilt tripping, nor do all of the insults the other Trump supporters here throw out on a constant basis.bobbranco said:
If blank then chalk the win up to Biden.
But keep it up; will make it easy as can be for me to leave it blank.
If Trump needs my vote to win Texas, then it means the Democrat will be winning 40+ states so it won't matter if I vote or not.
LOL!Ag with kids said:Yeah...Haley voters are VERY unlikely to be pulled in by the Vote Trump or Else mantra.BoydCrowder13 said:Old Sarge said:
So, here we are. Trump wins Iowa. Likely the rest.
So, again, the question will be asked. Will those that "say" they are Republicans, "say" they are conservatives....vote for the Republican nominee instead of voting Biden (or DemocRat if they pull shenanigans), or just sit out, which is a vote for the DemocRats?
Haley is backed by DemocRats which says enough about her. Desantis looks to be second to Trump in the long run for the nomination. The Trump supporters I know would vote for DeSantis if he were to win (longshot, minimum).
But will the DeSantis backers vote Trump when the chips fall? Haley supporters are GOPe, so I know better than ask that.
Haley got near 20% tonight. If 20% of the GOP does not vote Trump, the election is over.
Again, they had a leader: Paul Ryan in the House and Mitch McConnel in the Senate. Both sucked at their jobs. Looks like it's more bickering amongst the party. Isn't that right BigRobSA?BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:So is the GOP capable of governing? Or are they too preoccupied with bickering amongst each other?Ag with kids said:Oh...the congress sucked too. But Trump needed to lead. And he didn't.TexAgs91 said:Ag with kids said:Well, the head of the party is generally the one to do the leading. Trump was the head of the GOP. Trump failed to lead.TexAgs91 said:Ag with kids said:Then why did Congress?TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:BigRobSA said:TexAgs91 said:Frok said:
Trump will just do executive orders that will be undone by the next guy.
The GOP controlled Congress in 2017 were to blame. Like Republicans always do, they snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory and did nothing with their time.
Didn't help that Trump has zero leadership skill.
Didn't help that the entire GOP congress didn't either. Maybe Republicans can't govern.
It's not on them, it's on the PotUS to lead his party in Congress. Trump doesn't have it. Nor do many in Congress, either, but it's not on them.
Yes it is. It's the first GOP congress we had in 40 years. You don't just squander that opportunity. When they got control they had no idea what to do with it.
That's when the defacto party leader, the PotUS, should step in and lead. Trump doesn't have leadership skills.
No, the problem was they let themselves be duped by Hillary's fake Russia propaganda. You don't just squander their once in 40 year control of Congress.
InB4 yes you do
FIFY, we're talking about how republicans squandered their control of congress. Not just 1 guy, but the GOP in general.
Good question. Is there something fundamentally wrong with the GOP that they are unable to lead?
They continuously find excuses to not do the right thing.
- democrats will say mean things about me
- I wasn't told to pass conservative bills
- democrats want to investigate the president for BS accusations
- mean tweets!
Thank goodness they had a speaker of the house and a senate majority leader to to pick up the slack and not blow the one opportunity they had to pass everything they've wanted to pass for the last 40 years.
Instead, after all this time, the GOP as a whole had no idea what to do.
Yes. With a leader leading. That means not with Trump. He has no leadership skills.
I don't think the state matters. Primary voter turnout generally sucks. But I'm not sure how we fix it...northeastag said:Kind of makes you wonder, once again, why Iowa is always the first state to vote.dmart90 said:Dan Scott said:There are around 687,000 registered Republicans in Iowa. Less than 15% of them showed up to vote today. pic.twitter.com/AHLwgoqjkM
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) January 16, 2024
And this, boys and girls, is the problem with the primary system.
Why are we letting a very small disinterested group of voters weed out national candidates?
We'll see what his donors have to say about that.LMCane said:Despite the media narrative that Trump overwhelmingly won Iowa. the delegate count paints a more narrow picture:
— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 16, 2024
Trump 20
RDS 8
Haley 7
Remember, @RonDeSantis is playing the long game. He's accumulating delegates and will likely take this to the convention.