Waffledynamics said:With enough people that feel like I do, he'll lose.willtackleforfood said:Quote:
I'm less and less inclined to vote for Trump the more he and his supporters act like children.
Oh no, whatever will he do?
Here's a hint, they cheated. Yes, they really did but needed cover that weak minded people would buy.BoydCrowder13 said:RGLAG85 said:This simply wasn't true and was just a msm gaslight for smart was coming. Boychowder was the first to parrot this prior to the 2020 election using his family as an example. I told him at the time, i work exclusively with many suburban women and at the time, it was 10 to 1 for those who said they didn't vote for him in 16 but would in 20 compared to those who said they wouldn't vote for him. Psychosis is thy name, but you keep believing it though.No Spin Ag said:AggieVictor10 said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:TXaggiesTX said:Trump has always done this. There has never been a candidate who brings in people both for and against him who dont usually participate in politics like Trump. I believe the for outweighs the against when compared to the usual GOP baseline in important electoral states.FireAg said:
FoxNews now reporting that 53% of first time caucus goers voted Trump, 23% Haley, and 11% DeSantis…
That 99 county, 3-million knocked on doors had a very poor ROI…
The grassroots effort just isn't the way to get it done anymore…
He gets the "for" in the primary, then gets the "against" in the general. Which is why we took losses from 2018-2023, and will lose again in 2024.
Then blame the candidates who fail to win over voters…
DeSantis did plenty to win over voters over the course of several years as the best governor in the country and most consistent victor over the left. It's not my or his fault that people don't care about policy wins or winning general elections.
This type of condescension is a big reason hillary and the dems lost 2016. People get tired of it.
And more than enough people on the right got tired of Trump and maga and voted against their party to make sure they lost in '20. It won't take anything for them to do it again.
It sucked to see Biden was going to win. And it still sucks.
shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:TXaggiesTX said:Trump has always done this. There has never been a candidate who brings in people both for and against him who dont usually participate in politics like Trump. I believe the for outweighs the against when compared to the usual GOP baseline in important electoral states.FireAg said:
FoxNews now reporting that 53% of first time caucus goers voted Trump, 23% Haley, and 11% DeSantis…
That 99 county, 3-million knocked on doors had a very poor ROI…
The grassroots effort just isn't the way to get it done anymore…
He gets the "for" in the primary, then gets the "against" in the general. Which is why we took losses from 2018-2023, and will lose again in 2024.
Then blame the candidates who fail to win over voters…
DeSantis did plenty to win over voters over the course of several years as the best governor in the country and most consistent victor over the left. It's not my or his fault that people don't care about policy wins or winning general elections.
No, he didn't…maybe in your biased opinion he did, but many of yall have been wish-casting this thing from day 1 when the empirical evidence clearly showed DeSantis wasn't hitting home with voters…
The evidence that he needed to make drastic changes has been there from the beginning, but he, and many of y'all, ignored it, and called those of us pointing to what was actually going on "fools" or "Trumpers"…
Y'all had your heads in the sand as to what was actually going on…
You continue to operate under the false belief that Trump supporters could be peeled off. There is nothing DeSantis could do to change a Trump supporter to DeSantis.
I will admit I underestimated the number of people who have been fooled by Trump.
"Peeled off"? Brother…53% of first timers went for Trump…
Not only did DeSantis not peel anyone off, Trump added significantly more to the rind…
It does t refute anything, nor was intended to…
It says exactly what I meant it to say, no one peeled anything off of Trump, and Trump added more that he didn't have…
I have no idea how you could think your response refutes what I said.
What can't you figure out?Agthatbuilds said:
Wtf are you going on about
shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:TXaggiesTX said:Trump has always done this. There has never been a candidate who brings in people both for and against him who dont usually participate in politics like Trump. I believe the for outweighs the against when compared to the usual GOP baseline in important electoral states.FireAg said:
FoxNews now reporting that 53% of first time caucus goers voted Trump, 23% Haley, and 11% DeSantis…
That 99 county, 3-million knocked on doors had a very poor ROI…
The grassroots effort just isn't the way to get it done anymore…
He gets the "for" in the primary, then gets the "against" in the general. Which is why we took losses from 2018-2023, and will lose again in 2024.
Then blame the candidates who fail to win over voters…
DeSantis did plenty to win over voters over the course of several years as the best governor in the country and most consistent victor over the left. It's not my or his fault that people don't care about policy wins or winning general elections.
No, he didn't…maybe in your biased opinion he did, but many of yall have been wish-casting this thing from day 1 when the empirical evidence clearly showed DeSantis wasn't hitting home with voters…
The evidence that he needed to make drastic changes has been there from the beginning, but he, and many of y'all, ignored it, and called those of us pointing to what was actually going on "fools" or "Trumpers"…
Y'all had your heads in the sand as to what was actually going on…
You continue to operate under the false belief that Trump supporters could be peeled off. There is nothing DeSantis could do to change a Trump supporter to DeSantis.
TexAgs91 said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:TXaggiesTX said:Trump has always done this. There has never been a candidate who brings in people both for and against him who dont usually participate in politics like Trump. I believe the for outweighs the against when compared to the usual GOP baseline in important electoral states.FireAg said:
FoxNews now reporting that 53% of first time caucus goers voted Trump, 23% Haley, and 11% DeSantis…
That 99 county, 3-million knocked on doors had a very poor ROI…
The grassroots effort just isn't the way to get it done anymore…
He gets the "for" in the primary, then gets the "against" in the general. Which is why we took losses from 2018-2023, and will lose again in 2024.
Then blame the candidates who fail to win over voters…
DeSantis did plenty to win over voters over the course of several years as the best governor in the country and most consistent victor over the left. It's not my or his fault that people don't care about policy wins or winning general elections.
No, he didn't…maybe in your biased opinion he did, but many of yall have been wish-casting this thing from day 1 when the empirical evidence clearly showed DeSantis wasn't hitting home with voters…
The evidence that he needed to make drastic changes has been there from the beginning, but he, and many of y'all, ignored it, and called those of us pointing to what was actually going on "fools" or "Trumpers"…
Y'all had your heads in the sand as to what was actually going on…
You continue to operate under the false belief that Trump supporters could be peeled off. There is nothing DeSantis could do to change a Trump supporter to DeSantis.
You're wrong. I've switched from Trump to DeSantis because of Trump's attacks on DeSantis and DeSantis' plans if he's president.
Why do people make such silly blanket statements that can be so easily disproven?
You obviously can't read very well, I've stated multiple times I support DeSantis. I'm just not a pillow screamer or fake republican. I don't need to tear someone down to feel better about who I support.Agthatbuilds said:
You're over here speaking in tounges and saying I can't figure it out. Maybe just say what you mean.
Meanwhile, you've repeatedly said things like "desantis fanboys" but haven't stated, at least from what I've seen, who you're supporting. Only said not Trump.
Guess that means vivek.
Iowa has historically played an outsized role in presidential campaigns.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) January 16, 2024
But the winner of Iowa's Republican caucuses did not go on to secure the nomination in the last three competitive contests in 2008, 2012 and 2016, per Reuters.
Read more: https://t.co/6QAuJkA2yJ
RGLAG85 said:You obviously can't read very well, I've stated multiple times I support DeSantis. I'm just not a pillow screamer or fake republican.Agthatbuilds said:
You're over here speaking in tounges and saying I can't figure it out. Maybe just say what you mean.
Meanwhile, you've repeatedly said things like "desantis fanboys" but haven't stated, at least from what I've seen, who you're supporting. Only said not Trump.
Guess that means vivek.
No Spin Ag said:
non maga voters actually outnumber maga.
Attention @IAGovernor : You betrayed President Trump. Your political career is OVER!
— LeoTerrell (@TheLeoTerrell) January 16, 2024
BigRobSA said:Waffledynamics said:With enough people that feel like I do, he'll lose.willtackleforfood said:Quote:
I'm less and less inclined to vote for Trump the more he and his supporters act like children.
Oh no, whatever will he do?
I'm not a liberal, so Trump nor Biden would have my vote.
TexAgs91 said:No Spin Ag said:
non maga voters actually outnumber maga.
Scary if true that most voters don't want to make America great again.
Dan Scott said:
This crap has to stop. MAGA needs all the Rs.Attention @IAGovernor : You betrayed President Trump. Your political career is OVER!
— LeoTerrell (@TheLeoTerrell) January 16, 2024
I agree with this. Fundamentally, what the GOP primary is about is that more than 50% of the voters want to nominate Trump. Given that, he's going to win. This ain't rocket surgery.Agthatbuilds said:
I don't think any strategy would've worked, even if the one desantis did do was a bad one that was poorly executed.
RGLAG85 said:This simply wasn't true and was just a msm gaslight for smart was coming. Boychowder was the first to parrot this prior to the 2020 election using his family as an example. I told him at the time, i work exclusively with many suburban women and at the time, it was 10 to 1 for those who said they didn't vote for him in 16 but would in 20 compared to those who said they wouldn't vote for him. Psychosis is thy name, but you keep believing it though.No Spin Ag said:AggieVictor10 said:shack009 said:FireAg said:shack009 said:TXaggiesTX said:Trump has always done this. There has never been a candidate who brings in people both for and against him who dont usually participate in politics like Trump. I believe the for outweighs the against when compared to the usual GOP baseline in important electoral states.FireAg said:
FoxNews now reporting that 53% of first time caucus goers voted Trump, 23% Haley, and 11% DeSantis…
That 99 county, 3-million knocked on doors had a very poor ROI…
The grassroots effort just isn't the way to get it done anymore…
He gets the "for" in the primary, then gets the "against" in the general. Which is why we took losses from 2018-2023, and will lose again in 2024.
Then blame the candidates who fail to win over voters…
DeSantis did plenty to win over voters over the course of several years as the best governor in the country and most consistent victor over the left. It's not my or his fault that people don't care about policy wins or winning general elections.
This type of condescension is a big reason hillary and the dems lost 2016. People get tired of it.
And more than enough people on the right got tired of Trump and maga and voted against their party to make sure they lost in '20. It won't take anything for them to do it again.
100% accurate and something I pointed out to folks who swore that an Iowa win for DeSantis would propel him to the nomination...Agthatbuilds said:Iowa has historically played an outsized role in presidential campaigns.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) January 16, 2024
But the winner of Iowa's Republican caucuses did not go on to secure the nomination in the last three competitive contests in 2008, 2012 and 2016, per Reuters.
Read more: https://t.co/6QAuJkA2yJ
FireAg said:
I think the number of first time caucusers breaking heavily for Trump is an indication that Iowa voters simply didn't buy what DeSantis was selling...
Unless we are going to make the asinine argument that all Iowans are a bunch of inbred, uneducated, mouth-breathing hicks who can't think for themselves and thus "of course" Iowa was going to break for Trump...
But then, that begs the question for the DeSantis campaign...if Iowa was lost before he entered the race to begin with, why did he spend so much time and resources on Iowa to begin with? Seems he could have focused elsewhere if Iowa was "impossible" to win...
DeSantis thought he could take Iowa...his message failed to do so...that's it in a nutshell...
Obvoisouly no way to know, but from DeSantis's efforts in Iowa, his huge focus on visiting every county and knocking on 3M doors, it's clear he was trying to drum up first timers to show up and cast their votes for him...that's one of the biggest argument in favor of a grassroots effort in Iowa...motivate the newbies to come out and support you...Agthatbuilds said:
Good questions.
I also wonder how many of the 1st time caucusers were repeat Trump voters who never caucused before. Ie- not necessarily new voters, but, motivated Trump supporters who had already voted once or twice for him in the general
Dan Scott said:
This crap has to stop. MAGA needs all the Rs.Attention @IAGovernor : You betrayed President Trump. Your political career is OVER!
— LeoTerrell (@TheLeoTerrell) January 16, 2024
DeSantis needs to be in politics, and his leadership needs to be on the national stage one way or another.Agthatbuilds said:
I lean more towards it being over on a national stage, mostly because Trump supporters will forever hold a grudge and undercut him from ever having enough support to win a primary.
It's obvious his real life results do not matter because he allegedly wears lifts in his shoes.
He can probably get a high paying job at fox or on tucker's channel and ride off into the sunset
They won't.Dan Scott said:
This crap has to stop. MAGA needs all the Rs.Attention @IAGovernor : You betrayed President Trump. Your political career is OVER!
— LeoTerrell (@TheLeoTerrell) January 16, 2024
Agthatbuilds said:
Haley won't drop out until south Carolina. All her eggs are in new Hampshire and, should she lose there, she might drop out. But, she's going to keep getting money.
