I'll take a season that builds to something over a season that shoots its wad early ten out of ten times. Just wish they'd dropped all the episodes at once so my hopes weren't dashed every week thinking it was only going to get worse.
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Also, maybe it was my tv settings but it was hard to tell what exactly was happening when Owen was being beaten down by Reva. Coulda sworn I saw this move used
Some great moments in the finale for sure. Y'all already covered my biggest gripes - no SW music, creation of some weird continuity issues with Luke and Leia with Obi-Wan and Jedi in general, (mc)clunky dialogue and unclear motivation for Reva.
I will say that I did like Obi-Wan's discussion with Reva about her "choosing" not to kill Luke.
Have they had the disclaimer about "upsetting some viewers" before every episode? Edit - thanks for the context.
I will say that I did like Obi-Wan's discussion with Reva about her "choosing" not to kill Luke.
Have they had the disclaimer about "upsetting some viewers" before every episode? Edit - thanks for the context.
The dueling scenes between Vader and Kenobi were pretty good. I loved the part when Vader had his helmet cut open. The dialogue between them after that, with Vader's voice being altered randomly, was done well.
It was done because of the Uvalde shooting. It was only on the last 2 episodes which showed dead or unconscious 10 year olds,the same age as most of the kids killed last month. Not sure how it's hilarious.jeffk said:
Some great moments in the finale for sure. Y'all already covered my biggest gripes - no SW music, creation of some weird continuity issues with Luke and Leia with Obi-Wan and Jedi in general, (mc)clunky dialogue and unclear motivation for Reva.
I will say that I did like Obi-Wan's discussion with Reva about her "choosing" not to kill Luke.
Have they had the disclaimer about "upsetting some viewers" before every episode? Thought that was pretty hilarious considering SW fans in general.
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I thought the exact same thing.
My goodness Reva's character was so poorly written. Her arc was just ridiculous the whole way through.
So the Dune Sea of Tatooine is essentially a lightsaber graveyard at this point.
Lightsabers that have been buried on Tatooine:
Obi-Wan
Luke/Anakin
Leia
Maul
Reva
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Lightsabers that have been buried on Tatooine:
Obi-Wan
Luke/Anakin
Leia
Maul
Reva
Benny Safdie
helloimustbegoing said:It was done because of the Uvalde shooting. It was only on the last 2 episodes which showed dead or unconscious 10 year olds,the same age as most of the kids killed last month. Not sure how it's hilarious.jeffk said:
Some great moments in the finale for sure. Y'all already covered my biggest gripes - no SW music, creation of some weird continuity issues with Luke and Leia with Obi-Wan and Jedi in general, (mc)clunky dialogue and unclear motivation for Reva.
I will say that I did like Obi-Wan's discussion with Reva about her "choosing" not to kill Luke.
Have they had the disclaimer about "upsetting some viewers" before every episode? Thought that was pretty hilarious considering SW fans in general.
Thanks for the context. With that, you're right it's not funny at all. I was thinking it was maybe due to negative fan reactions to the series and cast members.
Saw the whole finale again (with SWT reaction this time).
Goes without saying but Ewan's acting is so damn good. His reaction to seeing Anakin's face under the mask hit me hard.
Goes without saying but Ewan's acting is so damn good. His reaction to seeing Anakin's face under the mask hit me hard.
It's almost like he still wasn't 100% convinced he'd see Anakin under there.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Saw the whole finale again (with SWT reaction this time).
Goes without saying but Ewan's acting is so damn good. His reaction to seeing Anakin's face under the mask hit me hard.
And echoing Luke's line from Endor from ROTJ "Then my father is truly dead / Then my friend is truly dead"
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Obi-Wan broke the right side of Vader's mask and Ahsoka broke the left side of his mask
But only Luke was able to fully unmask Vader and bring back Anakin ☹️ pic.twitter.com/0icaJPBixT
Of course we got a "Hello there" from Kenobi haha.
Some fun stuff in this finale. I just wish the journey to get to it was a lot better.
Some fun stuff in this finale. I just wish the journey to get to it was a lot better.
Also really loved Anakin taking the responsibility for Vader off of Obi-Wan's shoulders. I think that is what allowed him to be free of that pain and guilt, which is maybe what was keeping him from seeing Qui-Gon.
It's hard to say if that was him trying to relieve him of that pain, or more about him trying to take credit for what he did. Maybe a bit of both.
It's hard to say if that was him trying to relieve him of that pain, or more about him trying to take credit for what he did. Maybe a bit of both.
That's interesting to think about. It's probably a little bit of both. That conversation was really well done, I loved that scene.
Meh... Finale was not near as bad as the rest of the series, but everything still just felt like a convenient plot device.
Nothing in this entire series felt earned. Want to have Obi-wan cut himself off from the force because he felt responsible for Anakin, and then slowly show how he gets back to form? Fine. Great. I'm in. But it was handled so poorly. The writing was horrible, and the storyline was just clunky. He goes from barely being able to lift Leia to throwing tons of boulders at Vader in a matter of a few days? How? Where did the writers earn that?
Want to have an inquisitor always be conflicted, and on a path for vengeance, only later to renounce the dark side and come back to the light, with Obi-Wan's help? Fine. Great. I'm in. But again, handled very poorly, writing sucked, and the character was just bad. If this is the conflicted inquisitor, then we does she start off as the most aggressive, violent, and evil? How does she go from that to forsaking the Dark Side in the matter of a few days?
This entire series was just bad, with several fan service moments that even I get cheesed into liking, despite how surrounded by trash they are.
Guess what? Rogue One had great fan service, too. But they surrounded it by multi-layered characters, character growth, and a fun story.
I'm just disappointed that this is what we got. I have absolutely no intention to ever rewatch any of this.
Nothing in this entire series felt earned. Want to have Obi-wan cut himself off from the force because he felt responsible for Anakin, and then slowly show how he gets back to form? Fine. Great. I'm in. But it was handled so poorly. The writing was horrible, and the storyline was just clunky. He goes from barely being able to lift Leia to throwing tons of boulders at Vader in a matter of a few days? How? Where did the writers earn that?
Want to have an inquisitor always be conflicted, and on a path for vengeance, only later to renounce the dark side and come back to the light, with Obi-Wan's help? Fine. Great. I'm in. But again, handled very poorly, writing sucked, and the character was just bad. If this is the conflicted inquisitor, then we does she start off as the most aggressive, violent, and evil? How does she go from that to forsaking the Dark Side in the matter of a few days?
This entire series was just bad, with several fan service moments that even I get cheesed into liking, despite how surrounded by trash they are.
Guess what? Rogue One had great fan service, too. But they surrounded it by multi-layered characters, character growth, and a fun story.
I'm just disappointed that this is what we got. I have absolutely no intention to ever rewatch any of this.
Thanks for saying this was better. I wasnt going to bother watching but was able to enjoy it despite some still really idiotic issues.
He let go of his fear - of Vader, of failure, of past mistakes. You see it time and again in the movies and other media. Once a Jedi does that, he/she is close to unstoppable because they stop trying to use the Force and let the Force flow through them.DallasTeleAg said:
He goes from barely being able to lift Leia to throwing tons of boulders at Vader in a matter of a few days? How? Where did the writers earn that?
Exhibit 1A: Kanan Jarus vs. the Grand Inquisitor
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This may be true, but then you have to craft the story in a way to make that clear in the story, not just have your audience assume that. It doesn't have to be explicit, but it does need to be more thematic. And it just wasn't in the show. I mean, just have him talk to Qui Gon a few more times (like he did pre-dual) throughout the series and use that to kind of narrate his internal struggle and that punches up this series quit a bit, and thats just a small change.
I'm still so confused by/annoyed at this whole plot point. What, again, was Reva trying to do? Exact revenge on Vader by killing the son he doesn't know he has? Kill Luke because Anakin killed her friends? Even though that would make her JUST like Anakin, which was beyond obvious from the jump, and not something she should have finally realized at the last minute?
And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.
And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.
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This may be true, but then you have to craft the story in a way to make that clear in the story, not just have your audience assume that. It doesn't have to be explicit, but it does need to be more thematic. And it just wasn't in the show. I mean, just have him talk to Qui Gon a few more times (like he did pre-dual) throughout the series and use that to kind of narrate his internal struggle and that punches up this series quit a bit, and thats just a small change.
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I'd love a 2nd season with Darth Maul as the villain
As long as Deborah Chow and Joby Harold are no where near it.
I'd give it to Filoni and Favreau
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"if there is a reason for the story to exist" -- turns out there wasn't a reason for season 1.
I mean, I get the temptation to return to these characters and build out the gaps in time, but I just wish they would let them be and create new characters that we can enjoy, or explore some of the existing characters they have that are not boxed in by story already (Ashoka, as an example).
I mean, I get the temptation to return to these characters and build out the gaps in time, but I just wish they would let them be and create new characters that we can enjoy, or explore some of the existing characters they have that are not boxed in by story already (Ashoka, as an example).
The better question is why Vader let her live yet again.
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I'm still so confused by/annoyed at this whole plot point. What, again, was Reva trying to do? Exact revenge on Vader by killing the son he doesn't know he has? Kill Luke because she Anakin killed her friends? Even though that would make her JUST like Anakin, which was beyond obvious from the jump, and not something she should have finally realized at the last minute?
And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.
1) Luke never sees her lightsaber. She turns it off when she goes outside to chase him. They very purposely made choices so that Luke would not see who it was other than someone in a dark cloak.
2) Owen doesn't happily introduce him. He very begrudgingly introduces him. Owen doesn't do anything happily, he's an a-hole every time he's on screen.
3) There's a huge difference between introducing your nephew to Ben in controlled circumstances and have Luke independently bring up the name "Obi-Wan Kenobi" - very specifically NOT BEN KENOBI - in reference to a droid that has come to the farm from an unknown source. Because BEN is an old harmless hermit, but OBI-WAN is a Jedi Knight who knows all of the darkest secrets in the galaxy and whose mistakes brought an Inquisitor to your farm 10 years ago and you were lucky as hell to not lose Luke then. So when the name OBI-WAN comes up, you tell Luke to stay away.
4) Reva spent 10 years plotting her revenge on Anakin/Vader and when she had her shot she failed and it nearly killed her. Then she found out Vader had a family out there, so she decided if she couldn't kill him, she'd kill his son. Sounds like the plot of just about every mafia/mob movie of all time.
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"Let me justify bad storytelling and a convenient plot device by pointing to another point in the universe where it was used."
Doesn't contradict my point, at all. Not to mention, I haven't watched that series, and therefore don't know how they set it up or built to it.
I love power up moments like anyone else, if they are handled well. For those who read, I point to the Stormlight Archive. So many of the epic scenes in those books are power up moments... but damn, they are felt and earned.
Doesn't contradict my point, at all. Not to mention, I haven't watched that series, and therefore don't know how they set it up or built to it.
I love power up moments like anyone else, if they are handled well. For those who read, I point to the Stormlight Archive. So many of the epic scenes in those books are power up moments... but damn, they are felt and earned.
helloimustbegoing said:TCTTS said:
I'm still so confused by/annoyed at this whole plot point. What, again, was Reva trying to do? Exact revenge on Vader by killing the son he doesn't know he has? Kill Luke because she Anakin killed her friends? Even though that would make her JUST like Anakin, which was beyond obvious from the jump, and not something she should have finally realized at the last minute?
And I know Owen told Luke something about Tusken Raiders coming, but it was still super dumb for Luke to be chased by a woman with a lightsaber, who clearly wasn't a Tusken Raider. And then actually have Owen happily introduce Luke to Obi-Wan, only for Owen to angrily tell him to stay away from Obi-Wan years later.
1) Luke never sees her lightsaber. She turns it off when she goes outside to chase him. They very purposely made choices so that Luke would not see who it was other than someone in a dark cloak.
She clearly WASN'T a Tusker Raider, though. And she was still using the force to move rocks and sh*t.
2) Owen doesn't happily introduce him. He very begrudgingly introduces him. Owen doesn't do anything happily, he's an a-hole every time he's on screen.
Owen has a *literal* smile on his face and metaphorical twinkle in his eye when he asks Obi-Wan if he wants to meet Luke. I wasn't referring to every interaction before that moment. Point is, Owen actively introduces Obi-Wan to Luke, then, years later, is like, "Stay away from that crazy old man."
3) There's a huge difference between introducing your nephew to Ben in controlled circumstances and have Luke independently bring up the name "Obi-Wan Kenobi" - very specifically NOT BEN KENOBI - in reference to a droid that has come to the farm from an unknown source. Because BEN is an old harmless hermit, but OBI-WAN is a Jedi Knight who knows all of the darkest secrets in the galaxy and whose mistakes brought an Inquisitor to your farm 10 years ago and you were lucky as hell to not lose Luke then. So when the name OBI-WAN comes up, you tell Luke to stay away.
Are you really trying to tell me Luke thinks those are different people? Or trying to excuse the nonsense/story logic that Ben uses the exact same last name for both "characters"?
4) Reva spent 10 years plotting her revenge on Anakin/Vader and when she had her shot she failed and it nearly killed her. Then she found out Vader had a family out there, so she decided if she couldn't kill him, she'd kill his son. Sounds like the plot of just about every mafia/mob movie of all time.
Except that those mafia/mob bosses KNOW they have a son, and will feel terrible, tragic loss when their sons are dead. Even *if* the logic tracked, her motivations were muddy as hell and not at all explained clearly. She was a flat out horrible character, from start to finish.
Ha, really, the lengths you go to to apologize for this show are incredible. It's OK acknowledge that it missed the mark while ALSO being unapologetic in your enjoyment of it.
I haven't read the whole thread so apologies in advance. I've actually avoided it because I like the show, and well… not everyone here does.
All I could think about when Obi Wan walked away from Vader was Alderaan. That decision destroyed a whole planet that included his "friends" who he's trusted so much with watching Leia. Dude just left a Sith Lord chillin. Again.
All they had to do was have him sense Luke in trouble first, then he's justified in leaving. But nope. He goes back to Alderaan and everyone is all smiles. And all I can think is Obi Wan signed all their death sentences.
All I could think about when Obi Wan walked away from Vader was Alderaan. That decision destroyed a whole planet that included his "friends" who he's trusted so much with watching Leia. Dude just left a Sith Lord chillin. Again.
All they had to do was have him sense Luke in trouble first, then he's justified in leaving. But nope. He goes back to Alderaan and everyone is all smiles. And all I can think is Obi Wan signed all their death sentences.
That's a great note. Obi-Wan sensing that Luke was in trouble should have been the thing to take him away from the fight. Otherwise, it felt kind of forced and cocky all over again.
So really no one of any consequence died the entire series? Which I guess isn't a huge surprise as OW, Vader, and L&L all have to live on, but the best we could do for actual stakes were a loader droid and empire spy lady and some extras? None of the bad guys even stayed dead.
Feels like the divide is, I don't think there is any reason to accept a subpar product just because "star wars is for kids".
You can expect things to be written well, produced well, directed well...there is no reason to not expect a quality product because it's star wars. I can still enjoy it to some degree BECAUSE it's star wars, but I am still left expecting more from the show we got.
You can expect things to be written well, produced well, directed well...there is no reason to not expect a quality product because it's star wars. I can still enjoy it to some degree BECAUSE it's star wars, but I am still left expecting more from the show we got.
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