*** OBI-WAN KENOBI *** (Disney+ Series)

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YouBet said:

Damn. I'm kind of actually bummed about this. I was hoping to squeak out of this one with a 28 min final episode and then we could all pretend this never happened. You know, just like that questionable decision I made at The Tap back in 1994.

Will also be kind of funny if this final episode is badass and negates everything we've seen up until this point.
Please go on.
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im pretty sure i'll never manage to sit through 2 hours of this crap.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Urban Ag said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Speaking of, I wouldn't be against the idea of a tiny update to changing Anakin's face at the end of ROTJ to what Hayden looks like now, closer to his real age.
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I'm assuming you prefer leaving in the random no name actor we see for all of 10 seconds rather than the guy who played Anakin for 2 movies and a series now.

Matter of fact, if they could get current Hayden in some scarred makeup and a bit of CGI touchup, it'd be awesome to throw him into the scene where Luke unmasks him.

Neither of these will ever happen, but you can't tell me that isn't a better change than just about anything Lucas did to ANH.
I know I shouldn't open this can of worms with you, but crap like this really pisses me off.

Yes, I would prefer we leave in a "random no name actor" (whose name is Sebastian Shaw, and whose film career lasted from the 1930s to the early 1990s), in order to actually acknowledge and celebrate his contribution to one of the most beloved movies of all time, rather than continuing to delete him from that movie 30 years after his death.
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I hate when weekly shows do this. Just give me more episodes.
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Also, Execute Page 66
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The good news is you can watch at your own pace at home
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Ag Since 83 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Urban Ag said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Speaking of, I wouldn't be against the idea of a tiny update to changing Anakin's face at the end of ROTJ to what Hayden looks like now, closer to his real age.
millenials




I'm assuming you prefer leaving in the random no name actor we see for all of 10 seconds rather than the guy who played Anakin for 2 movies and a series now.

Matter of fact, if they could get current Hayden in some scarred makeup and a bit of CGI touchup, it'd be awesome to throw him into the scene where Luke unmasks him.

Neither of these will ever happen, but you can't tell me that isn't a better change than just about anything Lucas did to ANH.
I know I shouldn't open this can of worms with you, but crap like this really pisses me off.

Yes, I would prefer we leave in a "random no name actor" (whose name is Sebastian Shaw, and whose film career lasted from the 1930s to the early 1990s), in order to actually acknowledge and celebrate his contribution to one of the most beloved movies of all time, rather than continuing to delete him from that movie 30 years after his death.


Well, all this and the fact that Anakin was in his 40's or something when he died, and he probably wouldn't have looked like his 20-something year old self. Putting Hayden in makes very little sense in that regard other than George Lucas wanting to go, "Look what I can do!"
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Ag Since 83 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Urban Ag said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Speaking of, I wouldn't be against the idea of a tiny update to changing Anakin's face at the end of ROTJ to what Hayden looks like now, closer to his real age.
millenials




I'm assuming you prefer leaving in the random no name actor we see for all of 10 seconds rather than the guy who played Anakin for 2 movies and a series now.

Matter of fact, if they could get current Hayden in some scarred makeup and a bit of CGI touchup, it'd be awesome to throw him into the scene where Luke unmasks him.

Neither of these will ever happen, but you can't tell me that isn't a better change than just about anything Lucas did to ANH.
I know I shouldn't open this can of worms with you, but crap like this really pisses me off.

Yes, I would prefer we leave in a "random no name actor" (whose name is Sebastian Shaw, and whose film career lasted from the 1930s to the early 1990s), in order to actually acknowledge and celebrate his contribution to one of the most beloved movies of all time, rather than continuing to delete him from that movie 30 years after his death.
There is literally zero reason to change it from the original actor other then George not being able to leave something alone.

The movie is not made better by having Hayden in there. Do people want to digitally remove Alec Guinness next?
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I can only imagine the insane length in the final episode means there are multiple foot chases trying to hunt down Leia. Maybe an epic chase in the Tatooine desert meandering after Luke?

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twilly said:

I can only imagine the insane length in the final episode means there are multiple foot chases trying to hunt down Leia. Maybe an epic chase in the Tatooine desert meandering after Luke?

Slow motion Vespa chase after Leia who keeps going between Stormtroopers' legs and then they knock over fruit stands. Vader is on a black Tie-Vespa, obviously. And Kenobi has to go on a side quest to get back to the plot.
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Does Lucas even have any say on this series? He gone, no?
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I'm so sorry it pisses you off, it's just a movie.
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powerbelly said:

Ag Since 83 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Urban Ag said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Speaking of, I wouldn't be against the idea of a tiny update to changing Anakin's face at the end of ROTJ to what Hayden looks like now, closer to his real age.
millenials




I'm assuming you prefer leaving in the random no name actor we see for all of 10 seconds rather than the guy who played Anakin for 2 movies and a series now.

Matter of fact, if they could get current Hayden in some scarred makeup and a bit of CGI touchup, it'd be awesome to throw him into the scene where Luke unmasks him.

Neither of these will ever happen, but you can't tell me that isn't a better change than just about anything Lucas did to ANH.
I know I shouldn't open this can of worms with you, but crap like this really pisses me off.

Yes, I would prefer we leave in a "random no name actor" (whose name is Sebastian Shaw, and whose film career lasted from the 1930s to the early 1990s), in order to actually acknowledge and celebrate his contribution to one of the most beloved movies of all time, rather than continuing to delete him from that movie 30 years after his death.
There is literally zero reason to change it from the original actor other then George not being able to leave something alone.

The movie is not made better by having Hayden in there. Do people want to digitally remove Alec Guinness next?


That's quite a jump from a dude in the movie for less than a minute.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I'm so sorry it pisses you off, it's just a movie.
"it's just a movie" coming from you is pretty funny
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Interesting how nobody white knighted to defend the original Emperor actor from ESB.
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twilly said:

I can only imagine the insane length in the final episode means there are multiple foot chases trying to hunt down Leia. Maybe an epic chase in the Tatooine desert meandering after Luke?
It's 40 minutes of Obi-Wan trying to find that box where he keeps the lightsabers.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Interesting how nobody white knighted to defend the original Emperor actor from ESB.
That's because he was played by a woman!
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Especially since the original actress that played the Emperor was replaced by a white guy.
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Actor is a non-gendered term.
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helloimustbegoing said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Interesting how nobody white knighted to defend the original Emperor actor from ESB.
That's because he was played by a woman!


That's actually pretty sexist of you if that's the reason.
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I know that...it's a joke comment about perceived outrage of the patriarchy keeping women down.

Just like yours in the post above mine :-)
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Spilner on this thread




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Brian Earl Spilner said:

helloimustbegoing said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Interesting how nobody white knighted to defend the original Emperor actor from ESB.
That's because he was played by a woman!


That's actually pretty sexist of you if that's the reason.
I was making the same joke as twilly
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twilly said:

Especially since the original actress that played the Emperor was replaced by a white guy.
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I've always maintained that the helmsmen driving the Star Destroyers are women. How else could you get two 1,600 meter ships ramming into one another in open space?
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Nice
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Urban Ag said:

Spilner on this thread







That seems more like the vibe 83 is bringing with his faux outrage at my post.
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YouBet said:

twilly said:

Especially since the original actress that played the Emperor was replaced by a white guy.
Marjorie Eaton

I've always maintained that the helmsmen driving the Star Destroyers are women. How else could you get two 1,600 meter ships ramming into one another in open space?
Just like the TIEs chasing the Falcon on the big asteroid. They were going to smash into the walls of the narrow canyon whether the Falcon cleared them or not!
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Interesting how nobody white knighted to defend the original Emperor actor from ESB.
I've felt the same way about that change since it happened.
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Have to push back. Why?

We have an actor who played the character for 5 entire movies, and one who played it for a single, short scene 40+ years ago.

Are you just a purist who would rather all movies remain untouched after release, continuity be damned?

It would confuse a hell of a lot of people when the guy they've seen for three movies suddenly changes to a different actor with monkey eyes, then changes back to the actor they know for the next movie. (Or if they're going in release order, why the guy with monkey eyes suddenly looks human in the next movie.)
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And re: Anakin

If Lucas had never taken out holo-Sebastian Shaw to begin with, I'd probably agree with you that adding Hayden is unnecessary. But since he did, I'd rather have continuity within the same movie.
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Compromise: Hayden is added to the unmasking scene, but he has to yell "Maclunkey!" at Luke
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Yes, I would prefer they remain unchanged. Yes, I would prefer actors who I grew up watching in films I love to remain in the films I love. Is that unreasonable? Do you not understand people love the originals the way you love Hayden Christensen?

As for confusion, people can use their brains.

Maybe I just agree with George Lucas circa 1988

Quote:

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians," he said. "[And] if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society."
Lucas even took a thinly veiled shot at Turner directly, saying, "There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or an egocentric gangster who would change our cultural heritage to suit his personal taste."
Lucas also had a prescient warning about the growing dangers of digital effects that could completely alter the content of classic movies: "[More] advanced technology will be able to replace actors with 'fresher faces,' or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match."

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/500941/time-george-lucas-warned-congress-about-dangers-altering-classic-movies
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Do you not understand people love the originals the way you love Hayden Christensen?


The protagonist of two entire movies vs thirty seconds of screen time? The fact that you're trying to equate those two is pretty ridiculous.

A better comparison for a prequel fan would be the kid who played Kitster.
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I just realized this last episode would have been a great episode 1. You show up with everyone on the run, pretty simple to assume Obi Wan got mixed up with the Jedi survivors and then throw in a little of how Leia got kidnapped but rescued.

You don't need any backstory on the inquisitors. Just show Reva being knighted and say it's time to finish the chase.

Then you'd have that fight at the academy, showing the way Vader is powerful but singular in focus on the W.

I think I fixed the series lol. If the next episode works similar we could just pretend it's a two parter single movie and Bob's your uncle.
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I think you could easily take out eps 2-3 and have Leia's kidnappers take her straight to Fortress Inquisitorious.

Pretty much all of episodes 2-4 felt a bit like running in place. Repeated story beats and not much forward progress.
 
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