All in all, I would say this episode had about as much dumb stuff as usual, just this time it was closer to being outweighed by the good than any other episode so far.

That said, the thing that absolutely killed me was Organa basically texting to Obi-Wan...

"yo where u at? u got leia yet?

legit nervous, can't let vader know he has twins

if I don't hear back about the girl twin (leia), gonna go to tattooine where the boy twin is"

... and then Obi-Wan not only leaving his phone unlocked, but *giving* it to a known scam artist, who of course drops it, leaving it behind... with Vader less than a hundred yards away.

It's sh*t like that, at least once per episodes, that makes Obi-Wan seem SO DUMB and careless.

Vader

Dedicating your whole life to murdering someone as revenge for them murdering your family doesn't really seem like redeeming yourself and turning good.

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As long as Vader is still a badass I don't really care.

Well that certainly wasn't the episode I expected after the last one. And not in a good way.

I guess my main problem with the whole series is motivation, and both Vader's and Reva's motivations just don't make sense to me.

Vader lets Obi-Wan go, presumably because he is too weak. Ok, I'll buy that. But then, why go immediately after him without even giving him the chance to train, build himself back up, etc? Why let him go in the first place? Did he just want to extend the hunt slightly? Or is it the hunt itself that he enjoys? Either way, that whole third episode has been rendered moot.

Reva...I just don't get. I can buy that she was a Youngling and saw Anakin, but I do not buy that heel turn in a matter of a 30 seconds after a conversation with Obi-Wan. What was her end goal? If she really just wanted revenge against Vader, why was she so set on capturing Obi-Wan? And if her rage was actually towards Obi-Wan, how did she flip on a dime like that? None of her story makes much sense to me.

Furthermore, there is zero chance Vader doesn't kill her right there. Leaving her alive makes absolutely no sense and is clearly just for plot reasons. I don't buy that one bit and it makes as much sense as the whole letting Obi-Wan go thing.

Also, what the hell was the Grand Inquisitor doing all this time? You're telling me he was just hiding right behind the door waiting for his chance to make a dramatic entrance?

I will admit seeing the flashbacks was cool, but did they even ATTEMPT to de-age Hayden? Seriously, you can get almost a perfect recreation of young Luke Skywalker in BOBF, but you can't de-age Hayden 20 years? That was a clearly 40 year old playing a 20 year old. It looked ridiculous and it killed almost all of those scenes for me.

I guess Vader stopping the transport was pretty cool. A little convenient that they knew exactly when to take off to set that trap, but I guess Obi-Wan could've sensed him. I'll buy it just because it looked dope and was a cool Vader moment.

Now five episodes of no Star Wars music. All we got was that generic knock-off music that SOUNDED a bit like the Imperial March when Vader was marching towards the transport. Seriously, you HAVE THE ACTUAL MUSIC. Why the **** are you still making what sounds like offbrand Star Wars music?

For all the things that I enjoyed in the episode, there was more things that bugged me, sadly.

Sigh. This character deserved so much better than what they've given us so far.

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Reva...I just don't get. I can buy that she was a Youngling and saw Anakin, but I do not buy that heel turn in a matter of a 30 seconds after a conversation with Obi-Wan. What was her end goal? If she really just wanted revenge against Vader, why was she so set on capturing Obi-Wan? And if her rage was actually towards Obi-Wan, how did she flip on a dime like that? None of her story makes much sense to me.

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She's been using the Dark Side of the Force for 10 years, like a Sith. What do Sith do? Wait for the opportunity to turn on those stronger to them and take them out when they least expect it. Based on the context clues, of this and previous episodes, she's never even around Vader - the other Inquisitors show disbelief when she even talks to him along via hologram; getting invited onto his ship is clearly a huge honor for an Inquisitor for a personal audience with him.

She knows she can't take him 1 to 1 so she needs a scenario where his attention is elsewhere, like when he's got Obi-Wan in his sights. It's basically a carbon copy of the scenario that Kylo Ren uses to off Snoke - Snoke is so distracted by the capture of Rey and being that close to figuring out where Luke is that he doesn't sense Ren's attack coming.

She's set on capturing Obi-Wan because that's the key to getting close to Vader and having your shot at him. I'm sure she is angry at Obi-Wan for not being there, but neither were a billion other Jedi, he's just the one she knows is alive and out there.

I'm surprised people think she "turned good" after talking to Obi-Wan. She saw a genuine opportunity to get her revenge and took it, Vader's just too strong. The enemy of my enemy is temporarily my friend.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Reva...I just don't get. I can buy that she was a Youngling and saw Anakin, but I do not buy that heel turn in a matter of a 30 seconds after a conversation with Obi-Wan. What was her end goal? If she really just wanted revenge against Vader, why was she so set on capturing Obi-Wan? And if her rage was actually towards Obi-Wan, how did she flip on a dime like that? None of her story makes much sense to me.

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She's been using the Dark Side of the Force for 10 years, like a Sith. What do Sith do? Wait for the opportunity to turn on those stronger to them and take them out when they least expect it. Based on the context clues, of this and previous episodes, she's never even around Vader - the other Inquisitors show disbelief when she even talks to him along via hologram; getting invited onto his ship is clearly a huge honor for an Inquisitor for a personal audience with him.

So she waited for him to no longer be distracted by the escaping transport...

She knows she can't take him 1 to 1 so she needs a scenario where his attention is elsewhere, like when he's got Obi-Wan in his sights. It's basically a carbon copy of the scenario that Kylo Ren uses to off Snoke - Snoke is so distracted by the capture of Rey and being that close to figuring out where Luke is that he doesn't sense Ren's attack coming.

So she attempts exactly that.

She's set on capturing Obi-Wan because that's the key to getting close to Vader and having your shot at him. I'm sure she is angry at Obi-Wan for not being there, but neither were a billion other Jedi, he's just the one she knows is alive and out there.

I'm surprised people think she "turned good" after talking to Obi-Wan. She saw a genuine opportunity to get her revenge and took it, Vader's just too strong. The enemy of my enemy is temporarily my friend.

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I'm sorry but that writing was just bad and lazy to me. But I'm genuinely glad you enjoyed the episode, I wish I had.

Fun episode. Always love seeing Vader doing badass Vader things.

Mentioned it in my post. Enjoyed the scenes, but Hayden looked his age and found that super distracting. It's like the budget ran out before that scene or something.

Reva isn't redeemed....yet. Since she's still alive, she has a role to play. Looks like she will be the one to save Luke from some still to be revealed threat. She will sacrifice her life in the process.

We know there's a bacta tank on Jabiim so by some bad writing technique she'll find her way in there.

She'll be the one to save the galaxy and protect the future Jedi.

I'm going to go gag for a bit now.

Vader leaving her alive I think is what really bugged me the most. C'mon, that's not the Vader we know!

Also I feel like they're really putting off the Qui-Gon scene. It better deliver if they're making us wait 6 episodes! At this point is better be full Liam Neeson.

Even if that's the case, this is now the second time the plot has had Vader leaving someone alive. To me it's a huge stretch, and if you need to do this multiple times to get your story to work, it's probably not a good story.

I genuinely enjoy watching you jump through hoops to try and justify the plot of this show. It's actually more entertaining than the show itself.

That would be great. Another season of 3 or 4 slow and awkward chase scenes filmed with a non-steady camera. I eagerly await more obstacles they can't walk around!!!

You know, I had not actually paid much attention to the unsteady camera each week, but it really stuck out to me for this episode. It's actually pretty terrible and cheapens the look of the entire show, imo.

In all seriousness, I wish I could share my pure joy for this show with you guys, but I can't. No hard feelings. Of course considering how much I think about Star Wars in a given day, "jumping through hoops" is more like "my natural line of thought."

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The more I see of this the more I think it would have been better as an animated show.

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No question.

I am re-watching rebels right now and it is so much better.

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Here's the thing about a show like Rebels...

Dave Filoni knows Star Wars in and out and had a plan. He also knew going in that he had multiple seasons to tell his story. Obi-Wan didn't have either of those things in place, for whatever reason.

However, Rebels has some really high points, but also some absolute dogs for episodes. The big difference is that sort of thing gets forgiven b/c it's a cartoon and mostly targeted at kids. Also, a longer season just has filler that we deal with.

Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't have the wiggle room for mistakes, and so we criticize it more harshly when it does.