bobinator said:

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The timeline is something I struggle to wrap my head around sometimes.

Everything in Star Wars Rebels is after this, but not by much yes?

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Oops I meant rebels not clone wars

aTmLoKi said:

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BCSGrubber said:

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If the thought was Reva could have been one of the kids shown at the beginning, could she have been one of the children who went through the tunnels previously and has a flash back after she sees something?

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With Obi-Wan having identified another youngling's name on the wall, I took it as Reva had done something similar.

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Quinlan Vos was a Jedi Knight, not a youngling. Kind of a rogue in the order like Qui-Gon who liked to do his own thing.

Fell to the Dark side at one point, but came back to the light. Would be cool to see him.

I think it's clear from how many people didn't immediately get it that they didn't exactly nail it. They could have built this up more from Vader's side.

For example, seeing him actually tell the inquisitors, who of course would be afraid in his presence, not to interfere instead of hearing one inquisitor telling another one that, could have built that up a little more.

bobinator said:

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I think it's clear from how many people didn't immediately get it that they didn't exactly nail it. They could have built this up more from Vader's side.

For example, seeing him actually tell the inquisitors, who of course would be afraid in his presence, not to interfere instead of hearing one inquisitor telling another one that, could have built that up a little more.

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When Vader's breath and footsteps are heard, all 3 of the Inquistiors look at the ground and don't even dare look at him. For 3 cocky, dark side users to not even be able to look at the guy seems pretty telling, but I agree it was done really quickly.

I was trying to think about this in terms of Vader's motivations.

So there's really only two or three things out there that could get an emotional response from him. One is obviously Obi Wan.

The second would be Ahsoka. Her showdown with him from Rebels is still a few years in the future though.

Phat32 said:

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Is this a limited series or will they renew it?

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Both EW and KK have said they are open to another season.

Hard to imagine what it could be to equal these stakes and have any resonance with the bigger picture. Maybe they found you guys' script for the Kenobi movie from several years ago and have stolen it.

It's interesting how no media has taken place between TPM and AOTC. (Other than a couple books I believe.)

Probably won't ever happen, but an animated series that covered this time period would be kind of cool, even though there's nothing major going on in the galaxy. But maybe an episodic show like CW that jumps between Anakin/Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Dooku, and the formation of the Separatist movement.

We could even see Sifo Dyas, finally.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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It's interesting how no media has taken place between TPM and AOTC. (Other than a couple books I believe.)

Probably won't ever happen, but an animated series that covered this time period would be kind of cool, even though there's nothing major going on in the galaxy. But maybe an episodic show like CW that jumps between Anakin/Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Dooku, and the formation of the Separatist movement.

We could even see Sifo Dyas, finally.

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Isn't the recently announced Tales of the Jedi doing this? Younger Dooku and young Ahsoka are both in it, as well as Qui-Gon.

so, have we talked about the revelation that Obi-wan has a brother?

I'm hoping Toby-Wan is just left there as that comment. We don't need any more new characters related to old characters.

helloimustbegoing said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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It's interesting how no media has taken place between TPM and AOTC. (Other than a couple books I believe.)

Probably won't ever happen, but an animated series that covered this time period would be kind of cool, even though there's nothing major going on in the galaxy. But maybe an episodic show like CW that jumps between Anakin/Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Dooku, and the formation of the Separatist movement.

We could even see Sifo Dyas, finally.

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Isn't the recently announced Tales of the Jedi doing this? Younger Dooku and young Ahsoka are both in it, as well as Qui-Gon.

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Nothing from this 10 year period, but yes, similar thing.

That's why I didn't go for it. I like the challenge. You probably would have killed busted-ass Kenobi also. I want full strength Kenobi.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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bobinator said:

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I'm hoping Toby-Wan is just left there as that comment. We don't need any more new characters related to old characters.

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You mean Obi-Two.

C'mon, that couldn't be more teed up.

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Obi-Dos

Yep. Precisely.

I actually think it makes more sense that they have met up again.

I knew this was coming. As a Star Wars nerd I'm just a little disappointed

bobinator said:

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I was trying to think about this in terms of Vader's motivations.

So there's really only two or three things out there that could get an emotional response from him. One is obviously Obi Wan.

The second would be Ahsoka. Her showdown with him from Rebels is still a few years in the future though.

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In comparing this Vader to OT Vader, I like to think of him as having 3 sources of hatred that are fueling his whole existence.

1) He hates himself - Probably blames himself for Qui-Gon's death, definitely blames himself for his mom's death and not going to her sooner, hates himself for not taking Padme away from Coruscant, hates what he is and how trapped he is, and that he wasn't "The Jedi he should be" and seized power at times he thinks he could have.

2) He hates the Jedi Order - but all of that hatred is directed at Obi-Wan since he's the one "holding him back", the one who almost killed him, the one he belives turned Padme against him, etc.

3) He hates the Emperor - pretty much literally the Devil. Talking in his ear for 2 decades, but only after the fact does Anakin realize he was just a tool to used in Palpatine's grand plan. He plays his part and goes from having a huge brotherhood of Jedi, a best friend/master, and Padme's love to having nothing but an old psycopath bossing him around.

At the time of the Kenobi series he's so singularly focused on Obi-Wan that he's like a rabid dog. He probably has no idea what he'll do after he kills him.

in the time of the OT, you have a much more confident Vader, especially after ANH

Vader has:
1) Killed Obi-wan, albeit with the vanishing act.
2) Discovered he has a son who is powerful in the Force
3) Seen Palpatine start to make mistakes - the most important of those being his faith in the Death Star. Once Obi-Wan is dead, Vader starts to see a potential real path to finally defeating Palpatine and taking the title of Sith Master.

In some ways there's a pretty good parallel between Obi-Wan and Anakin at the time of the series.

Anakin is obsessed with finding Obi-Wan
Obi-Wan is obsessed with keeping Luke safe.

Nothing really matters to either of them besides.

Yeah, he's definitely found some new motivations after the events of ANH.

I think that's a good recap though.

See, I think the canon problem was introduced by the way they ended the Revenge of the Sith. The way they ended that messed up their encounter in ANH.

There is absolutely no way that the Darth Vader we see at the end of ROTS could go 20 years without finding Obi Wan Kenobi, and even if he did, his reaction upon seeing him would be a lot different than what we see in ANH.

I don't necessarily think it's something that needs to be "fixed," but I also don't think them meeting up again makes it any worse and it could make it better, we'll just have to see how this show lands.

bobinator said:

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I'm hoping Toby-Wan is just left there as that comment. We don't need any more new characters related to old characters.

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Maybe Toby-Wan is Rey's Grandfather on her mothers side

A thought.

Occurred to me that there is no way at this point that Kenobi can return to Tatooine until the end of the series. He's being pursued by both Vader and the Inquisitors. Anything linking him to Tatooine would surely cause Vader to suspect it has something to do with his only remaining family being on Tatooine.

Or, maybe that is the intention. What if Vader and the Inquisitors do track him back to Tatooine and Vader does find out his son is being raised by Owen? But he chooses to allow Kenobi to live and Luke to stay and conceals this from the Emperor. I think this would support the canon nicely. At this point, Vader believes Padme died (and the twins with her) based on what Palps told him. Yet he sees Luke with Kenobi on the Death Star and by the second act of ESB he informs Palps his son is alive. Seems pretty clear that Vader knew he had a son prior to the events of the OT.

But based on his conversation with Luke in ROTJ, he doesn't know about Leia, right?

I was seriously taken aback by serial killer Vader walking around the village snapping innocent kids' necks, but then I remember this is the same Vader that slaughtered a bunch of kids at the temple and almost choked his wife to death.

Vader from ESB and ROTJ has had doubts begin to sink in, but that's years later in his character arc.

Question - will we see the Emperor in this series?

So I've had some thoughts along those lines, but it can't quite work that way. Why would he let Obi Wan live and Owen raise his son and hide this from the emperor only to then tell him later?

But this is why I'm certain this has to end in such a way that Vader thinks Kenobi is dead. There has to be a reason that he doesn't keep chasing him.

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cbr said:

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Im half joking, but only half. They clearly do have a political agenda. And they are clearly putting out garbage. And they are clearly making all the old heroes suck. How else do you explain that?

mandalorian was good; that, the end of clone wars, and rogue 1 (brilliant) are the only decent content in decades. But even in mandalorian their luke character was a complete *******/illogical idiot at the end, except he could chop up cheezy cartoon robots.

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Yeah, sure. They are deliberately trying to sabotage their cash cow that they spent $4b to acquire. This may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

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I don't have time or inclination to post all the ****ups, failures, logical flaws, **** storytelling and all that went into this, or all the choices made that make a mockery of the Sw universe, but the bottom line is when people with basically unlimited budgets tell you who they are, and put this kind of **** out, you are a fool if you don't believe them