dromo07 said:
I really wanted this movie to start off as a flash back. Where Ben gets to the academy and begins to learn how to use the force and you can see him start to do some dark things. Maybe kill an animal with the force
still better than TLJPatAg said:
For people who are very critical of this film, your own ideas are god awful.
This is the only real, valid concerns about the movie I have seen. I think, for better or worse, they should have just left JJ Abrams in charge of all 3. Tell a consistent story.Kramer said:
It was stated earlier in this thread "the OT was about fun."
Uh. No, it was not. It was a space Western. And Lucas himself said the OT was about the redemption of Vader. I challenge you to point me to the "fun" parts of ESB.
I think the more recent posts highlight a major problem with 7, 8, and 9. There's no story. There's no grand plan. It's just a bunch of rambling about a group of characters. And it feels that way. There's no sense that any of this is leading anywhere.
That might have been cool, but that's not what has happened. "Let the past die..."SeattleAgJr said:
hell a better storyline (with some clich to it) would be for his force powers to manifest - such as hearing people in his mind, etc. and he starts to go crazy. only snoke was able to help him quiet his mind and get control of his powers, and snoke then uses that leverage to lead him astray.
Are they? As bad as the ones we've seen in the last two movies? Seriously, give me the budget and make writing these movies my full-time job and I'll at least come up with something that the majority of fans like.PatAg said:
For people who are very critical of this film, your own ideas are god awful.
Every word Han saysKramer said:
I challenge you to point me to the "fun" parts of ESB.
That sounds like he's setting up for the whole "your parents were a nobody" thing to be a lie. I mean, Kylo helped Rey get to that conclusion. It doesn't mean it was truthful...FL_Ag1998 said:SeattleAgJr said:the point is that there was no established A..B..C arc set in place . They are making up the **** as they go along.Belton Ag said:
Yeah, I don't believe that. If he had decided to have Rey join up with Kylo Ren and betray and kill Leia I'm positive they would have put a stop to it. We already know that Kennedy does influence the films based on the stories about Rogue One and Solo.
and this is absolutely apparent from many of the story beats of TLJ.
Yep, read a story in Collider this morning that had a quote from Johnson confirming that he was allowed complete freedom in deciding Rey's parentage BUT he also stated that the next films aren't obligated to stick to that. That leaves me a little concerned...making stuff up as you go is how you end up with Suicide Squad and a Black Adam movie with no Shazam.
And then we'd be complaining about pandering to the fanboys/masses. Like how there were actually a large group of people that complained about the Vader scene at the end of Rogue One.... You know, one of the greatest StarWars scenes EVER... people complained that it was pandering because that's what everyone wanted to see...Teacher_Ag said:Are they? As bad as the ones we've seen in the last two movies? Seriously, give me the budget and make writing these movies my full-time job and I'll at least come up with something that the majority of fans like.PatAg said:
For people who are very critical of this film, your own ideas are god awful.
That's my big problem. There is such a huge difference between VII and VIII.PatAg said:This is the only real, valid concerns about the movie I have seen. I think, for better or worse, they should have just left JJ Abrams in charge of all 3. Tell a consistent story.Kramer said:
It was stated earlier in this thread "the OT was about fun."
Uh. No, it was not. It was a space Western. And Lucas himself said the OT was about the redemption of Vader. I challenge you to point me to the "fun" parts of ESB.
I think the more recent posts highlight a major problem with 7, 8, and 9. There's no story. There's no grand plan. It's just a bunch of rambling about a group of characters. And it feels that way. There's no sense that any of this is leading anywhere.
canadiaggie said:That sounds like he's setting up for the whole "your parents were a nobody" thing to be a lie. I mean, Kylo helped Rey get to that conclusion. It doesn't mean it was truthful...FL_Ag1998 said:SeattleAgJr said:the point is that there was no established A..B..C arc set in place . They are making up the **** as they go along.Belton Ag said:
Yeah, I don't believe that. If he had decided to have Rey join up with Kylo Ren and betray and kill Leia I'm positive they would have put a stop to it. We already know that Kennedy does influence the films based on the stories about Rogue One and Solo.
and this is absolutely apparent from many of the story beats of TLJ.
Yep, read a story in Collider this morning that had a quote from Johnson confirming that he was allowed complete freedom in deciding Rey's parentage BUT he also stated that the next films aren't obligated to stick to that. That leaves me a little concerned...making stuff up as you go is how you end up with Suicide Squad and a Black Adam movie with no Shazam.
But then again maybe I'm just holding out hope that Abrams will respect the mythology of the SW universe more than Rian Johnson.
but that has always been the case in the lore.Teacher_Ag said:Quote:
I take Kylo revealing that and the final scene with the little Jedi pleb child to mean that anyone can be born with force sensitivity, like a freak genetic mutation or something. Doesn't have to come from a lineage.
Well, yeah, when you make a movie that almost EVERYONE sees, some people are going to dislike it for whatever reason. But, R1 is generally regarded by SW fans as pretty damn cool. I don't personally know any fans that hated it. Most of my friends are really let down by 7 and 8. There's no perfect SW movie, but it could be a hell of a lot better than what we've gotten.aggiephoenix02 said:And then we'd be complaining about pandering to the fanboys/masses. Like how there were actually a large group of people that complained about the Vader scene at the end of Rogue One.... You know, one of the greatest StarWars scenes EVER... people complained that it was pandering because that's what everyone wanted to see...Teacher_Ag said:Are they? As bad as the ones we've seen in the last two movies? Seriously, give me the budget and make writing these movies my full-time job and I'll at least come up with something that the majority of fans like.PatAg said:
For people who are very critical of this film, your own ideas are god awful.
Good, I'm glad we agree!Teacher_Ag said:Well, yeah, when you make a movie that almost EVERYONE sees, some people are going to dislike it for whatever reason. But, R1 is generally regarded by SW fans as pretty damn cool. I don't personally know any fans that hated it. Most of my friends are really let down by 7 and 8. There's no perfect SW movie, but it could be a hell of a lot better than what we've gotten.aggiephoenix02 said:And then we'd be complaining about pandering to the fanboys/masses. Like how there were actually a large group of people that complained about the Vader scene at the end of Rogue One.... You know, one of the greatest StarWars scenes EVER... people complained that it was pandering because that's what everyone wanted to see...Teacher_Ag said:Are they? As bad as the ones we've seen in the last two movies? Seriously, give me the budget and make writing these movies my full-time job and I'll at least come up with something that the majority of fans like.PatAg said:
For people who are very critical of this film, your own ideas are god awful.
Yes. It was a story about Anakin Skywalker. It made sense to focus on his family.dromo07 said:
I thought the prequel laid down the story that anyone can be force sensitive and its not a necessarily part of lineage but the "episodes" were specifically about lineage.
I said from my first post I thought it was weak. So did lots of others.SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.
People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.
Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.
We even got people complaining about politics on here.
The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.
SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.
People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.
Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.
We even got people complaining about politics on here.
The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.
agracer said:I said from my first post I thought it was weak. So did lots of others.SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.
People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.
Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.
We even got people complaining about politics on here.
The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.
And that thing to get them moving was a hand held remote control...yeah...more stupity.Cave Johnson, CEO said:
I don't think the bombs were "gravity" based, it looked like they were all lined up in a track which could have just worked like a mechanical conveyor belt that moved them downwards. All you needed was something to get them moving and that's it, I don't think it's such a reach to assume that's what was done.
That's something I'm totally fine with - Anakin was a nobody from the desert too (albeit Force Jesus). It was more of a personal fanboy wish that she would have some kind of connection to a character in the universe that I'm okay with not being fulfilled. But still a little bummed lolTeacher_Ag said:canadiaggie said:That sounds like he's setting up for the whole "your parents were a nobody" thing to be a lie. I mean, Kylo helped Rey get to that conclusion. It doesn't mean it was truthful...FL_Ag1998 said:SeattleAgJr said:the point is that there was no established A..B..C arc set in place . They are making up the **** as they go along.Belton Ag said:
Yeah, I don't believe that. If he had decided to have Rey join up with Kylo Ren and betray and kill Leia I'm positive they would have put a stop to it. We already know that Kennedy does influence the films based on the stories about Rogue One and Solo.
and this is absolutely apparent from many of the story beats of TLJ.
Yep, read a story in Collider this morning that had a quote from Johnson confirming that he was allowed complete freedom in deciding Rey's parentage BUT he also stated that the next films aren't obligated to stick to that. That leaves me a little concerned...making stuff up as you go is how you end up with Suicide Squad and a Black Adam movie with no Shazam.
But then again maybe I'm just holding out hope that Abrams will respect the mythology of the SW universe more than Rian Johnson.
I take Kylo revealing that and the final scene with the little Jedi pleb child to mean that anyone can be born with force sensitivity, like a freak genetic mutation or something. Doesn't have to come from a lineage.
