*** SW: The Last Jedi - FULL SPOILERS BE IN HERE ***

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2:06a, 12/17/17
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Just saw it. No way do i have time to read this whole thread, but... i guess, I don't know what to think. I know they've built up Rey, but what is the point of all this foreshadowing if she doesn't even at least falter with the dark side.

I mean, she turns straight to the dark apparently during training, so much so, Luke calls her out on it. And them, when the perfect time comes for her to at least flirt with the dark side, nope, she's still all good.

I'm not saying she should turn and be the bad guy. I'm saying, they keep showing her being lured and falling right into the dark, (when it doesn't count) but, then, in the big moments, its like shes superwoman.

I think it would have been awesome if Rey accepted Kylos proposal and the movie had ended with her unsure but on the dark side. Then ep 9 would be her redemption back where she tries to bring Kylo with her, but he wont come and the final battle is between her and him.
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2:29a, 12/17/17
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but are the Knights of Ren the Jedi in training that Klyo ran off with? I know Luke mentioned that Kylo took some of the others with him. Did they form the Knights of Ren?
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2:34a, 12/17/17
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No one knows yet. Some have speculated that they were Snoke's guards, but I'm not buying it. Hoping they play a sizeablw role in IX, or that whole background storyline is a major storytelling fail. Even if they are in IX, I may be left wondering why they came out of the blue after 2 full movies. We don't need every answer, but ignoring them completely would be a mistake. It's possible Kylo/Snoke betrayed them before TFA, but we'll see.
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In reply to AliasMan02 • 2:44a, 12/17/17
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AliasMan02 said:
AGinHI said:
I don't get the logic behind a great movie requiring multiple viewings and time to think about it. It's like you're trying to make yourself like it. Really searching for its redeeming qualities.

When you walked out of (first movie coming to mind) The Dark Knight, or more recently Logan, you were like, "I don't know, I think I have to see it a second time and stew on it a bit, before I can say if it's a great movie or not."


Have you never seen Fight Club, Memento, Sixth Sense, Saving Private Ryan, The Matrix, etc.? Lots of great movies gain a TON with repeat viewing forearmed with knowledge of the big payoff or conclusion.
I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't need to see those movies a second time to already know they were great movies.

It's not about watching them multiple times to catch every missed detail and make what was obviously already great even better.

It seems to me with TLJ some people were uncertain with how they felt from the outset and had to watch it again to make it a good movie because of an unsettling discrepancy between their expectations and reality.
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7:10a, 12/17/17

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But it is also hammered home repeatedly that training is necessary to control the Force or duel with a lightsaber.
and thats a "rule" that never made sense. its a sword. if one is proficient in using a sword or other weapon you swing around, why would a light saber be different?


the Maz appearance felt a lot like the "queue" of a roller coaster where someone comes out and explains the backstory of the ride to you. could have done without that part as well.


don't understand why the "crystal critters" would bother people.
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7:42a, 12/17/17
Need to watch it a second time but after a night of sleep and further thought, the most brought up negative seems to be the casino. I am holding on to hope that it ends up being an important lead-in to something in IX. For example, the true meaning of the visit is not to find the codebreaker but to define how all the wars have been funded and will be funded. This is going to be important.

Also, I need to pay more attention to Rose's story to get the slave's point of view. This will also be important because we are now in a story of how the little guy is going to beat the big guy.

Also, someone mentioned the Kights of Ren being in hiding. This makes great sense. I was wondering I they were going to have two Jedi schools, Rey's and Kylo's. However, Kylo already has a team.
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7:46a, 12/17/17
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This thread went exactly as I predicted.

People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.

Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.

We even got people complaining about politics on here.

The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.

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7:52a, 12/17/17
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I have zero concerns about other's opinions of it. To me, I've got it at 5 or 6. Behind the OT and TFA for sure but definitely ahead of the first 2 prequels. My debate is which one is better, this or Sith. I liked the Sith story even tho it had quite a few cheesy flaws, not unlike this one.

But I still liked it. There was just a lot of potential for it to be far better that I though got blown. I've liked every SW movie except for Phantom, which felatted Canto Bight horse peenis.
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7:56a, 12/17/17
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Can't sway me to the dark side....I love it.

It's 4th but thats pretty damn good. Not as great as ANH and ESB obviously. There are some nitpicks but overall I loved it - original not a retread, acting, music, action sequences were all superb. I think it will fare better longterm with repeat viewings than TFA did for me.

My whole family loved it - son 22 ranks it the same as me, daughter 19 puts it above all the others. Wife would not take the time to think about that but loved it. We've been talking about it nonstop since.

ANH/ESB
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In reply to SF2004 • 7:57a, 12/17/17
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I highly doubt anyone changed their opinion on the movie because of TCTTS.
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In reply to SF2004 • 8:04a, 12/17/17
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SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.

People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.

Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.

We even got people complaining about politics on here.

The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.

Well that's pretty much not at all what happened. So your prediction was off and your interpretation of this thread was astoundingly bad. The only thing you got right was that people complained about politics but that's a gimme because that happens everywhere.
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In reply to Belton Ag • 8:07a, 12/17/17
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Exactly what I was thinking
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8:09a, 12/17/17
I was like Chris Farley when that cruiser made the jump near the end


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8:11a, 12/17/17
As far as the watching it a second time debate goes...

The first time I watched Rogue One I thought it was quite meh. I had to watch it a second and even a third before I truly appreciated it and believe that it is the best script of any of the movies.

We are now looped all the way back to right before ANH. We are down to a handful of good guys and a gigantic power of bad guys.

I wonder how they will justify the title, The Last Jedi? What makes most sense is that Kylo will go crazy, activate the Knights of Ren and start destroying and killing everything in their path. Luke will be forced to train Rey to be a Jedi which makes him, not the last Jedi. :/
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In reply to caleblyn • 8:14a, 12/17/17
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Pretty sure Rey has that title now...
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In reply to amercer • 8:20a, 12/17/17
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amercer said:
Pretty sure Rey has that title now...

well hanging out on a depressing vacation island getaway for a few days and getting 3 in your face "lessons" doesn't exactly make one a Jedi. But sure why not....


Is it possible the last jedi simply means the last formally trained jedi, like that went to an academy, had a mentor, etc. Hell they just burned all the books too.

I mean someone could be very strong with the force and even know how to use it effectively and not necessarily be a "Jedi".

Maybe it simply means the end of that formal title?

If nobody ever calls Rey by the title "Jedi Master WhateverHerLastNameIs" then maybe she isn't a jedi.







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8:25a, 12/17/17
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Throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder was the wrong tone. There was so much made of how much Hamil had communicated just with his pained expression at the end of TFA. That got thrown out right off the bat and I'm not sure the tone recovered.

I'll be seeing it again soon to test how the "second viewing magic" works on me.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:26a, 12/17/17
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BMX Bandit said:

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But it is also hammered home repeatedly that training is necessary to control the Force or duel with a lightsaber.
and thats a "rule" that never made sense. its a sword. if one is proficient in using a sword or other weapon you swing around, why would a light saber be different?
No physical sword is sharp enough to accidentally sever your own head or slice off large chunks of your own body. A lightsaber isn't a "sword". It's a 3D chainsaw on super high speed. Flipping around a bo staff takes some skill, but if you miss a handoff and conk yourself in the noggin you'll have a bad headache. Misjudge the angle with a lightsaber and you'll get more than just a bad bruise.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 8:27a, 12/17/17
Seems like they are at least implying that Rey is or will become another jedi.

Her extreme proficiency, power, skill with the force with little experience and no training bugs the hell out of me.
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In reply to americathegreat1492 • 8:54a, 12/17/17
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americathegreat1492 said:
Her extreme proficiency, power, skill with the force with little experience and no training bugs the hell out of me.

Pretty sure they are moving in the direction that certain force powers in some people don't really need training. Thus Rey & broom boy.

Personally I'm fine with that in terms of story telling in a 2 hour movie / 6 hour trilogy. Assuming Rian goes into the future with new Jedi in the next trilogy, we really don't need to see the story halt so that certain characters can get months of training. They can get guidance and direction, but otherwise just get on with it.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 9:06a, 12/17/17
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jr15aggie said:
americathegreat1492 said:
Her extreme proficiency, power, skill with the force with little experience and no training bugs the hell out of me.

Pretty sure they are moving in the direction that certain force powers in some people don't really need training. Thus Rey & broom boy.

Personally I'm fine with that in terms of story telling in a 2 hour movie / 6 hour trilogy. Assuming Rian goes into the future with new Jedi in the next trilogy, we really don't need to see the story halt so that certain characters can get months of training. They can get guidance and direction, but otherwise just get on with it.
The story halted at the end of TFA. Instead of picking up immediately with Luke casually throwing away his old lightsaber, the script could have easily resumed Rey's story after some time for training had passed.
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9:07a, 12/17/17
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Well 800 posts I'm sure it's all been covered.

Toss my vote in the "wow what a piece of ****" that was.

Rian Johnson is dead to me. He completely destroyed my interest in any of the remanining characters and their arc.
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9:08a, 12/17/17
The books were saved, not burned. They are on the Falcon. Question is who put them there, Rey or Luke? I say Rey because unit were Luke, Luke would have lied to Yoda about burning the tree and books. I don't see that happening.
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9:29a, 12/17/17
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There were numerous and obvious flaws in this movie but the most egregious was what they did to Luke. The entire theme of Luke in the OT was that he saw past people's short comings and saw the good in them...but then he thinks about murdering Ben? Ok.

It's as if none of these people who made the movie ever saw the OT or took the time to study the characters in them. Ugh
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 9:34a, 12/17/17
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M.C. Swag said:
There were numerous and obvious flaws in this movie but the most egregious was what they did to Luke. The entire theme of Luke in the OT was that he saw past people's short comings and saw the good in them...but then he thinks about murdering Ben? Ok.

It's as if none of these people who made the movie ever saw the OT or took the time to study the characters in them. Ugh



I for one am excited to see force ghost Luke turning tricks as a prostitute in Episode 9.

Speaking of which, this movie was like getting half a BJ with teeth. There were some really awesome parts, some really cringey parts, and ultimately you leave feeling dissatisfied.
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9:59a, 12/17/17
I haven't noticed anyone complaining about 3D. Does this mean that it was extremely well done or that the people who hate 3D finally figured out that they should stop going to 3D showings?

I saw it in 3D and thought they used it really well. It was there throughout providing visual depth and perspective, but they never really smacked you in the face.
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10:00a, 12/17/17
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I just avoid 3D in general. Haven't seen any in 3D since like Tron2. Never feels worth it and almost always an encumberance to my viewing enjoyment.
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In reply to caleblyn • 10:02a, 12/17/17
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caleblyn said:
The books were saved, not burned. They are on the Falcon. Question is who put them there, Rey or Luke? I say Rey because unit were Luke, Luke would have lied to Yoda about burning the tree and books. I don't see that happening.


Yoda probably knew the books weren't in there. That why is was laughing his ass off at burning the tree.
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In reply to Ulrich • 10:02a, 12/17/17
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I wasn't even sure it was released in 3D until your post.

3D isn't dying fast enough for my tastes, but at least it seems to be heading that way.
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In reply to Ulrich • 10:03a, 12/17/17
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Ulrich said:
I haven't noticed anyone complaining about 3D. Does this mean that it was extremely well done or that the people who hate 3D finally figured out that they should stop going to 3D showings?

I saw it in 3D and thought they used it really well. It was there throughout providing visual depth and perspective, but they never really smacked you in the face.


I am kind of ambivalent towards 3D. It really depends on the movie.

This ranks up there with Dr. Strange as the best use of 3D in a movie with me.

Snokes ship and his fleet being destroyed was awesome.
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In reply to SF2004 • 10:08a, 12/17/17
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SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.

People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.

Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.

We even got people complaining about politics on here.

The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.



Did you even read my post? Or any of the thread before it? I literally said it was better than TFA, that it wasnt a bad movie, but that I was ultimately indifferent. Not to mention, there were TONS of negative reactions before mine. I pointed out PLENTY of things I loved about the movie, but then tried to level-headedly explained all the things about it that bothered me as well. But, you know, by all means continue living in your own reality and posting complete and utter nonsense.
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10:14a, 12/17/17
Regarding the "second viewing to see how good it is", some movies are a lot to take in especially if you're a fan of the franchise. On the first viewing of one of those movies, I usually find myself either enjoying the ride and not worrying about plot, motivation, editing, etc, or getting caught up in breaking down the construction of the movie.

I can enjoy movies that are objectively poorly made, while masterfully crafted films sometimes simply aren't entertaining or fun to watch even when I appreciate the skill involved. Enjoyment and construction are both required, so sometimes a second watch helps me either focus on the details or let them go.

When I watched TFA the first time, I had a blast gong back to a galaxy far away. The second time it was more obvious that it was mostly a reskinned ANH and had some flaws as a film. Doesn't change how much I enjoy it one bit, but I can admit that it's not perfect. With TLJ, I found myself focused a lot on character development, script, and editing. Still enjoyed it a lot, but on the next viewing I'll probably try to "turn off" and enjoy the ride.

I love storytelling, movies, and Star Wars, so for me there's enough juice for more than one squeeze.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:15a, 12/17/17
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Well I thought it was worse than TFA and as bad as TPM lol
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10:15a, 12/17/17
I fully expect episode IX to be about the trial to court-martial Poe
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:16a, 12/17/17
TCTTS said:
SF2004 said:
This thread went exactly as I predicted.

People come out loving the movie and then TCTTS shows up on page four to **** all over it because he is "just so above this stuff anymore". Then people fall all over themselves to agree.

Now people are starting to "reflect" (read: if I don't hate this movie the "real Star Wars fans" won't think I am cool) and it is worse than episode one. Kinda of like people on this thread even admitting they loved TFA until the internet told them not to. Apparently nerd rage doesn't let you think for yourself. Basically I didn't get the story I wanted so it's garbage.

We even got people complaining about politics on here.

The circle was completed much quicker then a expected.



Did you even read my post? Or any of the thread before it? I literally said it was better than TFA, that it wasnt a bad movie, but that I was ultimately indifferent. Not to mention, there were TONS of negative reactions before mine. I pointed out PLENTY of things I loved about the movie, but then tried to level-headedly explained all the things about it that bothered me as well. But, you know, by all means continue living in your own reality and posting complete and utter nonsense.

It's easy to assume your prediction came true if you don't bother checking the score. SF2004 is in the lead for the worst hot take.
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