Yea it makes the other ones not seem as good lol
Well there's always the "how did they get from the Hoth system to the Anoat system to Bespin without a working hyperdrive?" Question, but I think the working theory is the Falcon actually has a backup system that is only good over short distances.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.
None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.
Can anyone?
Ag Since 83 said:Well there's always the "how did they get from the Hoth system to the Anoat system to Bespin without a working hyperdrive?" Question, but I think the working theory is the Falcon actually has a backup system that is only good over short distances.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.
None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.
Can anyone?
Kramer said:
Nobody clapped.
And why do movies these days need baked in, cutesy, "funny moments?"
To me, the writing was bad. The plot was poorly sequenced. The whole Finn/Rose/casino plot swirl should have been deleted. Why didn't Holdo just tell Poe what the plan was? At some point, especially when telling a story episodically, you have to limit the plot twists. The story already jumps around and that's fine, but part of telling it like that is limiting. But not for these people. And it ruined the story. Hate to compare it to OT, but the twists were limited and impactful: 1) Vader killing Obi 2) Vader tells Luke 3) Vader turns. Through 2 movies, what twists have been really impactful TO THE STORY (not to sentimental middle aged dudes): 1) Snoke dies. That's it. Han and Luke weren't really that impactful to these stories. So them leaving wasn't really that big a deal. He'll, at this point, Leia being killed would be more impactful (and how are they going to kill her off now that Carrie is gone).
The fight on the planet should have been mirrored by the Snoke showdown. That should have been the climatic moment mirrored by Luke having a worthy ending. Instead, you get the Snoke death, then a bunch of other stuff, then Luke. It drags. Then gets weird with Luke back on the island. Then the kids. The end reminded me of LotRs: Return of the King. You have what should have been the big moment, but there's 15 more mins of crap that doesn't really matter.
The entire Luke story is just wrong. Flat. Out. Wrong. The character we see triumphant at the end of RotJ is just a defeated quitter. Ideals vacated. Bitter. And his exchange with Yoda is bizarre because of it. And that ending...wow. Just dies. No real reason. Just gone.
For the first time, I'm really hating the Disney influence. Cpt. Phasma is nothing more than a shiny prop. People try to compare her to Boba Fett, but Fett never was marketed. It was a cult pickup. Phasma has, from day one, been used as a marketing tool. Nothing more. Just look at the Battlefront2 marketing.
I have no desire to see the movie again. And my expectations for 9 are sewer low. My predictions are easy: long, more plot wiggles than a 3 year old in church (to the point of being annoying), with more throwback scenes than relevant moments between key characters.
Rant over.
Probably the Russians, right?VanZandt92 said:
The way it's written. It's fake, as are many others.
Teacher_Ag said:
There does have to be an explanation for why critics are LOVING it and average fans feel pretty underwhelmed, and I honestly think my explanation is part of it. Entertainment usually isn't purely entertainment, for better or worse.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.
None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.
Can anyone?
Probably my favorite part and the strongest departure from repeating the same notes from the original trilogy (biggest gripe about TFA). Imagine Vader controlling the Empire...interested to see where they go with Kylo running things in the next one.AustinAg2K said:This is one part I really liked. Snoke was very much like the Emperor. Keeping him around for the next movie would make this very much like the original trilogy. Having Kylo Ren kill Snoke and become the real ultimate bad guy differentiates this trilogy from the original.AgLaw said:
The ultimate bad guy is dead.
I also feel liked how Kylo used Snoke's arrogance against him, instead of it just being a lightsaber battle. Snoke foresaw everything that happened, he just didn't see Kylo staying on the dark side meant killing his master.
Happy to helpwangus12 said:Ag Since 83 said:Well there's always the "how did they get from the Hoth system to the Anoat system to Bespin without a working hyperdrive?" Question, but I think the working theory is the Falcon actually has a backup system that is only good over short distances.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.
None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.
Can anyone?
Nope. Massive plot hole. ESB is now worse than the prequels. Hope your happy with yourself
I think it's safe to assume they never jumped to light speed during that time. Why go to light speed while searching for a small ship? So that has the same question.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Well, how long was the Falcon attached to the Destroyer?
You don't suppose the knights became Snokes bodyguards?MuckRaker96 said:
sorry more gripes
I hate not knowing anything more about Snoke than I did at this time in 2015.
No Knights of Ren. WHere the hell are these guys?
HeadGames said:Teacher_Ag said:
There does have to be an explanation for why critics are LOVING it and average fans feel pretty underwhelmed, and I honestly think my explanation is part of it. Entertainment usually isn't purely entertainment, for better or worse.
It has such a high rating because it's Carrie Fisher's last movie.
G Martin 87 said:
George Lucas should steal all the copies of TLJ and make these three changes:George would be a hero again.
- Star Lord Leia dies in space instead.
- Admiral Ackbar performs the jump to hyperspace kamikaze attack
- Luke is weakened by the effort of the Force projection, but regains his strength and doesn't disappear
Ag Since 83 said:
I imagine George hates the good parts of this movie and loves the bad parts