What, no butt fumble?agracer said:
I think this describes this movie better than any words....
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Precisely.TCTTS said:
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point.
After a few days of hearing the nerds b*tch and whine about this movie, my opinion of it has changed from "okay, but many problems" to "f*** it, I'm going to LOVE this movie just to piss these nerds off!"
TO GIVE US AN AWESOME FIGHT SCENE.Dr. Teeth said:
Another random question: Why did the Praetorian Guards spring into action once Snoke was sliced in half? I get that Kylo was trusted, but at that point what are they fighting for?
Holy **** ya'll could take the enjoyment out of sex at this pace.
I don't think I would be as nitpicky about this movie if it wasn't such a jarring shift from the last one. I really love some parts of the movie, and it grew on me the 2nd time I watched it. But then I watched the Force Awakens and the two movies again just seem disjointed from each other, and it causes me to try to figure out why.GiveEmHellBill said:Precisely.TCTTS said:
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point.
After a few days of hearing the nerds b*tch and whine about this movie, my opinion of it has changed from "okay, but many problems" to "f*** it, I'm going to LOVE this movie just to piss these nerds off!"
Haha, strangely I've sort of found myself here today in some ways because of some of the insane stuff people are complaining about.GiveEmHellBill said:Precisely.TCTTS said:
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point.
After a few days of hearing the nerds b*tch and whine about this movie, my opinion of it has changed from "okay, but many problems" to "f*** it, I'm going to LOVE this movie just to piss these nerds off!"
Keep in mind that this movie is actually worse than the ratings indicate because everyone REALLY WANTED it to be great.
I'd forgive a whole lot of things if the story was coherent or if any of the characters went through an arc.
I told my wife right as it ended "I'm not sure I liked this." I haven't had that feeling after a Star Wars movie since TPM when I was a 16 year old.
I'd forgive a whole lot of things if the story was coherent or if any of the characters went through an arc.
I told my wife right as it ended "I'm not sure I liked this." I haven't had that feeling after a Star Wars movie since TPM when I was a 16 year old.
I said the exact same thing to the rib. It was a weird jellybean. Chew chew chew....frown.Blatant Disregard said:
Keep in mind that this movie is actually worse than the ratings indicate because everyone REALLY WANTED it to be great.
I'd forgive a whole lot of things if the story was coherent or if any of the characters went through an arc.
I told my wife right as it ended "I'm not sure I liked this." I haven't had that feeling after a Star Wars movie since TPM when I was a 16 year old.
I don't really care about this. Just an unimportant shower thought.TCTTS said:
If POTUS was assassinated, would the secret service not try to kill the assassin?
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point.
Yep. That's why I think all of the "it was awesome" vs "it sucked" stuff is weird. Like, I find it hard to imagine hating everything about or liking everything about it.
One reason:Quote:
But then I watched the Force Awakens and the two movies again just seem disjointed from each other, and it causes me to try to figure out why.
The Force Awakens - written by Lawrence Kasden & JJ Abrams and directed by JJ Abrams
The Last Jedi - written & directed by Rian Johnson
Don't forget Michael Arndt, who wrote the first treatment for TFA, and ultimately ended up with a writing credit in the final product. Abrams and Kasdan took Arndt's basic characters/set up and then rewrote everything last minute. So between two movies so far the sequel trilogy has seen three different, unconnected writing phases.
It'll also be interesting to see how much of Trevorrow's abandoned script for Episode IX is used by Abrams/Terrio, if any.
It'll also be interesting to see how much of Trevorrow's abandoned script for Episode IX is used by Abrams/Terrio, if any.
I think you might be right. Poe says he is doing this for a reason=escape and they head down the tunnel. My badredline248 said:Just now getting back to this. You may be right, but I seem to remember them shooting at Luke, Kylo going down to face him, and Poe and Finn having the exchange:wangus12 said:He says that before Luke gets shot atQuote:
My favorite was after they all watched Luke brush off canon fire Finn's like "we need to help him with one guy."
"He's going to face Kylo Ren alone..."
"We have to go help him!"
Tangent:TCTTS said:
Don't forget Michael Arndt, who wrote the first treatment for TFA, and ultimately ended up with a writing credit in the final product. Abrams and Kasdan took Arndt's basic characters/set up and then rewrote everything last minute. So between two movies so far the sequel trilogy has seen three different, unconnected writing phases.
It'll also be interstijg to see how much of Trevorrow's abandoned script for Episode IX is used by Abrams/Terrio.
I assume Trev saw Rian's script before he started on the IX script. Assuming he was still attached, would he have to likely do a rewrite based on what was edited out of TLJ?
The stuff edited out of TLJ does sound all the crucial to the overarching plot of the franchise. But yes, his script would have been reworked and reworked up until and through filming.
I'm hoping Ep IX clears some stuff up, such as:
1. Who the hell is Lor San Tekka is and how he ended up so close to Rey
2. Where the **** are the Knights of Ren, and where have they been for the last two movies
1. Who the hell is Lor San Tekka is and how he ended up so close to Rey
2. Where the **** are the Knights of Ren, and where have they been for the last two movies
I assume the Knights of Ren are the students that followed Kylo when he destroyed Luke's training facility.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm hoping Ep IX clears some stuff up, such as:
1. Who the hell is Lor San Tekka is and how he ended up so close to Rey
2. Where the **** are the Knights of Ren, and where have they been for the last two movies
Hey, did Rian use the same people JJ did when coming up with the hyperspace tracking? Straight out of Into Darkness
Prediction: Luke force-transferred the souls of the Knights of Ren into the caretaker aliens on his island as punishment for their evil deeds.
For those that liked the movie, what plot threads or unanswered questions are you excited about seeing resolved in Episode IX?
bangobango said:
For those that liked the movie, what plot threads or unanswered questions are you excited about seeing resolved in Episode IX?
- How they handle Leia
- How they rebuild the rebellion
- How Rey and Kylo resolve their conflict
- What big bad will they bring in a la Death Star, StarKiller, Dreadnaught, etc
- Does Rey try and create a new Jedi order
- Is the story about Rey's parentage true?
And that's just off the top...mostly looking forward to the stuff they come up that's new and creative because not knowing what they'll do is fun for me personally.
Mostly I'll be interested in
- Rey's parentage
- resolution of the Kylo/Rey conflict
- Leia's demise?
- answers to questions like, who was Snoke?
edit - to tag off the above post, I also am actually excited to see where JJ takes this series as we now have nothing to really chew on like we did going from Empire to Jedi. I'm just hoping JJ wraps it up in such a fashion as to be satisfying.
- Rey's parentage
- resolution of the Kylo/Rey conflict
- Leia's demise?
- answers to questions like, who was Snoke?
edit - to tag off the above post, I also am actually excited to see where JJ takes this series as we now have nothing to really chew on like we did going from Empire to Jedi. I'm just hoping JJ wraps it up in such a fashion as to be satisfying.
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How they rebuild the rebellion
Isn't it amazing that it took Palpatine 10-15 years to create the Empire, and about 20 more for the rebels to overthrow it...
And the First Order did it in like 3 months and (presumably) the new rebels will overthrow it in...a few months? A couple years?
Rex Racer said:I assume the Knights of Ren are the students that followed Kylo when he destroyed Luke's training facility.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm hoping Ep IX clears some stuff up, such as:
1. Who the hell is Lor San Tekka is and how he ended up so close to Rey
2. Where the **** are the Knights of Ren, and where have they been for the last two movies
Right, but where the F are they? Hoping they are central to IX at the expense of screen time for Finn and Roae.
redline248 said:Quote:
How they rebuild the rebellion
Isn't it amazing that it took Palpatine 10-15 years to create the Empire, and about 20 more for the rebels to overthrow it...
And the First Order did it in like 3 months and (presumably) the new rebels will overthrow it in...a few months? A couple years?
OR WILL THEY?
I'm excited about the possibilities that being unfettered by the past will open up for the future. It might suck, but it could be amazing (I'm sure the vocal majority here will think it sucks).bangobango said:
For those that liked the movie, what plot threads or unanswered questions are you excited about seeing resolved in Episode IX?
Rey and her progress with the force is probably the biggest unanswered question. Since she has the sacred texts, does she use them to train herself? Does Luke show up to assist in any way? Does the mental connection to Kylo remain? What is her backstory? Is Kylo better able to control his emotions over time? Does he take on an apprentice? What new equipment will the resistance and the first order produce? Is there a burgeoning relationship between Rey and Poe (that meeting at the end of TLJ did not seem to be there accidentally). Is there a bigger role for Phasma to play or did they really kill her off?
I'm frankly really curious to see how they handle Leia's death. Is it handled in the beginning crawl? Do they recast (which would probably make a large part of the hardcore fans have kittens, but would be a really interesting idea)? Do they cobble together some combination of old footage with CGI to give her a death scene? Lots of possibilities there.
I also think there is the potential for real conflict between Kylo and Hux for control of the first order.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
They ****ed the whole main storyline up irreversibly. I just hope the off topic movies are good.
Rogue 1 was great.
Tfa was pretty good.
This was the worst ever and absolutely destroyed the story and most of the good characters.
I'll certainly never go see another one in theater.
Rogue 1 was great.
Tfa was pretty good.
This was the worst ever and absolutely destroyed the story and most of the good characters.
I'll certainly never go see another one in theater.
You guys that like it, I notice that you're not really posting about unresolved plot elements. Some of you are even listing things that have been resolved, but you are assuming that this isn't the final resolution (Rey's parentage) because the resolution Johnson provided feels so out of place. Some of you are projecting that something will be resolved based on the fact that the actress died, so it's not really story related.
Do none of you think it's a major problem that after the end of the second movie in a three movie trilogy, there is really no ongoing story elements other than the rebels have yet to win?
I mean, I can understand that in a book one or movie one of a trilogy, because at the time of the writing, there might not have been the knowledge that any sequel would be made. But when you go into a project knowing that it will be three movies, don't you think there should be some sort of cliff hangers going into the third movie?
Or is that just the really edgy story telling of Rian Johnson and I just don't get it?
Think of the end of Empire - Lando prepping for Solo rescue mission. Luke going back to train. Luke just finding out Vader is his father and all the fallout and implications from that reveal. The warnings of Yoda that Luke is traveling the same path as his father, that underlying tension that Luke may yet be converted to the dark side. Luke getting fitted with a robotic hand.
Just so many cool things that you were excited to follow-up with in the next movie. I just don't see that with this movie, at all, and I think that is a huge mistake. I would bet money right now that episode IX suffers opening weekend because there will be very little speculation or hype (relative hype) for IX like there was for VIII. They are going to have manufacture a lot more interest than they had to for VIII.
Do none of you think it's a major problem that after the end of the second movie in a three movie trilogy, there is really no ongoing story elements other than the rebels have yet to win?
I mean, I can understand that in a book one or movie one of a trilogy, because at the time of the writing, there might not have been the knowledge that any sequel would be made. But when you go into a project knowing that it will be three movies, don't you think there should be some sort of cliff hangers going into the third movie?
Or is that just the really edgy story telling of Rian Johnson and I just don't get it?
Think of the end of Empire - Lando prepping for Solo rescue mission. Luke going back to train. Luke just finding out Vader is his father and all the fallout and implications from that reveal. The warnings of Yoda that Luke is traveling the same path as his father, that underlying tension that Luke may yet be converted to the dark side. Luke getting fitted with a robotic hand.
Just so many cool things that you were excited to follow-up with in the next movie. I just don't see that with this movie, at all, and I think that is a huge mistake. I would bet money right now that episode IX suffers opening weekend because there will be very little speculation or hype (relative hype) for IX like there was for VIII. They are going to have manufacture a lot more interest than they had to for VIII.
Well said.
I actually don't think it's an ongoing element that the rebels have yet to win. I think what is THE most exciting ongoing element is how they will construct the rebellion essentially from scratch to try and defeat the FO.
I also want to see force ghost Luke(and others maybe?) come back and help Rey possibly or be part of a flash back to see how she's progressed in what I imagine will be a time jump.
In short I'm excited for quite a bit to come and if they don't get to all of it, or only parts of it, I bet I'll like what JJ comes up with.
I also want to see force ghost Luke(and others maybe?) come back and help Rey possibly or be part of a flash back to see how she's progressed in what I imagine will be a time jump.
In short I'm excited for quite a bit to come and if they don't get to all of it, or only parts of it, I bet I'll like what JJ comes up with.
Not to pick on you, and you are certainly entitled to be excited about whatever it is you find fun and interesting, but I think for me and others it's a bit deflating for main plot line for the THIRD movie in a trilogy to be the good guys starting completely from scratch, building up their forces, and then somehow defeating the bad guys.corleoneAg99 said:
I actually don't think it's an ongoing element that the rebels have yet to win. I think what is THE most exciting ongoing element is how they will construct the rebellion essentially from scratch to try and defeat the FO.
I also want to see force ghost Luke(and others maybe?) come back and help Rey possibly or be part of a flash back to see how she's progressed in what I imagine will be a time jump.
In short I'm excited for quite a bit to come and if they don't get to all of it, or only parts of it, I bet I'll like what JJ comes up with.
One, that seems like an awful lot to pack into one movie and still get to any other plot elements, like Rey's training (or a montage of her reading books, I guess). Two, it can't help but make you feel the first two movies were a complete waste of time.
It's like taking Frodo and Sam at the end of the Two Towers and putting them back in the Shire for the start of the Return of the King and telling them they have to walk all the way back to Mordor to destroy the ring.
I hear ya; your points are very sound IMO. I think a departure from the linear glide path of the OG trilogy is part of the plan. They have to pay fan service to the great old characters, incorporate the new characters in an endearing way, and find a way to get people to want to see more post episode IX where they can't rely on Luke, Leia, Han.
We all get that and I'm not breaking any news on that front but what I will say is that I'll personally choose to judge how well they did that after the next episode because I trust they have plan to achieve the ultimate objective outlined above once this new trilogy is complete.
If that makes me an in the tank fanboy then so be it. Maybe I'll feel somehow different after my second viewing tomorrow. But i doubt it!
We all get that and I'm not breaking any news on that front but what I will say is that I'll personally choose to judge how well they did that after the next episode because I trust they have plan to achieve the ultimate objective outlined above once this new trilogy is complete.
If that makes me an in the tank fanboy then so be it. Maybe I'll feel somehow different after my second viewing tomorrow. But i doubt it!
vwbug said:
Aaaaaaand... more damage control, this is getting comical:
And lost all respect for Mark Ellis in this:
What on Earth did he say that made you lose respect?
His main message is that everyone has the right to their opinion and should not force theirs on others. Competely reasonable.
You disagree with that?
Not to mention it seems impossible for the resistance to win. Their numbers are now so small now they fit on the falcon, it seems all their ships are destoryed (both transport and fighter), and no one answered their "now or never" call.
I guess they'll use Rey/Luke as a symbol of hope to rally other to their side. Which I suppose was the point of the ending showing the kids acting out Luke facing down Kylo on Crait.
I guess they'll use Rey/Luke as a symbol of hope to rally other to their side. Which I suppose was the point of the ending showing the kids acting out Luke facing down Kylo on Crait.
I agree with you and have even said on this thread that episode VIII will have to be re-evaluated after episode IX. And I am hopeful that IX does such a great job it puts VIII into a context that makes me love it.corleoneAg99 said:
I hear ya; your points are very sound IMO. I think a departure from the linear glide path of the OG trilogy is part of the plan. They have to pay fan service to the great old characters, incorporate the new characters in an endearing way, and find a way to get people to want to see more post episode IX where they can't rely on Luke, Leia, Han.
We all get that and I'm not breaking any news on that front but what I will say is that I'll personally choose to judge how well they did that after the next episode because I trust they have plan to achieve the ultimate objective outlined above once this new trilogy is complete.
If that makes me an in the tank fanboy then so be it. Maybe I'll feel somehow different after my second viewing tomorrow. But i doubt it!
On that note, perhaps you do not know this, but apparently there is no overarching plot structure to this. They have basically given Abrams and Johnson free rein to write whatever they wanted and then have it proofed. They do not have a plot outline. They do not have any agreed upon points that had to be hit. Johnson has said in interviews that he had the script done for VIII before the script for VII was finalized. He said that he made the decision to kill Luke. He made the decision to kill Snoke.
This is what he wanted to bring to the star wars universe. Lucasfilm green-lighted it, but there was no grand collaboration by him, Abrams, or anybody else on what direction this was going to go.
bangobango said:I agree with you and have even said on this thread that episode VIII will have to be re-evaluated after episode IX. And I am hopeful that IX does such a great job it puts VIII into a context that makes me love it.corleoneAg99 said:
I hear ya; your points are very sound IMO. I think a departure from the linear glide path of the OG trilogy is part of the plan. They have to pay fan service to the great old characters, incorporate the new characters in an endearing way, and find a way to get people to want to see more post episode IX where they can't rely on Luke, Leia, Han.
We all get that and I'm not breaking any news on that front but what I will say is that I'll personally choose to judge how well they did that after the next episode because I trust they have plan to achieve the ultimate objective outlined above once this new trilogy is complete.
If that makes me an in the tank fanboy then so be it. Maybe I'll feel somehow different after my second viewing tomorrow. But i doubt it!
On that note, perhaps you do not know this, but apparently there is no overarching plot structure to this. They have basically given Abrams and Johnson free rein to write whatever they wanted and then have it proofed. They do not have a plot outline. They do not have any agreed upon points that had to be hit. Johnson has said in interviews that he had the script done for VIII before the script for VII was finalized. He said that he made the decision to kill Luke. He made the decision to kill Snoke.
This is what he wanted to bring to the star wars universe. Lucasfilm green-lighted it, but there was no grand collaboration by him, Abrams, or anybody else on what direction this was going to go.
Yeah the timing of the TLJ script from RJ I knew about but interesting on the overall nature of how these guys work together.
Makes me wonder more than ever what Colin Trevorrow had to do to get fired from the next one if Kathleen Kennedy was so happy with RJ that they greenlit a new trilogy for him to solely own.
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