Kramer said:

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Nobody clapped.

And why do movies these days need baked in, cutesy, "funny moments?"

To me, the writing was bad. The plot was poorly sequenced. The whole Finn/Rose/casino plot swirl should have been deleted. Why didn't Holdo just tell Poe what the plan was? At some point, especially when telling a story episodically, you have to limit the plot twists. The story already jumps around and that's fine, but part of telling it like that is limiting. But not for these people. And it ruined the story. Hate to compare it to OT, but the twists were limited and impactful: 1) Vader killing Obi 2) Vader tells Luke 3) Vader turns. Through 2 movies, what twists have been really impactful TO THE STORY (not to sentimental middle aged dudes): 1) Snoke dies. That's it. Han and Luke weren't really that impactful to these stories. So them leaving wasn't really that big a deal. He'll, at this point, Leia being killed would be more impactful (and how are they going to kill her off now that Carrie is gone).

The fight on the planet should have been mirrored by the Snoke showdown. That should have been the climatic moment mirrored by Luke having a worthy ending. Instead, you get the Snoke death, then a bunch of other stuff, then Luke. It drags. Then gets weird with Luke back on the island. Then the kids. The end reminded me of LotRs: Return of the King. You have what should have been the big moment, but there's 15 more mins of crap that doesn't really matter.

The entire Luke story is just wrong. Flat. Out. Wrong. The character we see triumphant at the end of RotJ is just a defeated quitter. Ideals vacated. Bitter. And his exchange with Yoda is bizarre because of it. And that ending...wow. Just dies. No real reason. Just gone.

For the first time, I'm really hating the Disney influence. Cpt. Phasma is nothing more than a shiny prop. People try to compare her to Boba Fett, but Fett never was marketed. It was a cult pickup. Phasma has, from day one, been used as a marketing tool. Nothing more. Just look at the Battlefront2 marketing.

I have no desire to see the movie again. And my expectations for 9 are sewer low. My predictions are easy: long, more plot wiggles than a 3 year old in church (to the point of being annoying), with more throwback scenes than relevant moments between key characters.

Rant over.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.

None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.

Can anyone?

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• Chewie ripping the door off (thought it was Rey using the Force)
• Every bit of Mark Hamill's performance - he deserves every honor, award, praise and dollar he can get for this role.
• Luke's fakeout. Now if you've read a lot of the EU, they kinda ripped it off a little bit. But man, it fooled the hell outta me and I loved it.
• Poe - I liked his arc a lot. And he laid the mack down on Rey at the end, no doubt.

• Holdo's kill shot - beautiful effect. The lack of noise had the audience gasping.
• Yoda - that first glowing ear coming on screen, me and 90% of the audience went "ohhhhh!" And tomorrow when my daughter asks if Yoda was in the movie for the 50th day in a row, I can say yes.
• Mark and Carrie on screen together. Was really afraid they had missed out on the chance to do this. Very happy they did. And his reunion with R2, maybe even better.
• Hux - cracked me up. Loved his side-smirk at Ren when he's leaving Snoke's chambers.
• Carrie Fisher and Laura Dern's chemistry. Brief, but I think CF really benefited from having a performer in her gender and age range around.
• Billie Lourd's expanded role. Very special to give her a bigger part.
• The blaster bolt bouncing off Phasma's armor. Cool minor detail.
• The ReyRen connection. Good use of voices and sound effects

• Leia's undead Force flying. Really didn't understand that choice. Someone who nominally has the Force suddenly has a power beyond what we've seen from any character ever. Seemed really out of place.
• The whole Canto Bight part. It takes them 2 seconds to get there, 5 seconds to decide its socially corrupt and 3 seconds free the space bulls and start a stampede. The stampede might be the second worst thing I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie. Overall, I liked Rose's character but she and Finn were just taking up space.
• Admiral Ackbar goes out like a *****.
• All military strategy and logic thrown out the window. The other Star Destroyers sit their doing nothing like they don't have weapons; Holdo stays behind to steer the ship, then we see her just staring out the window; and if the Resistance ships were faster than the FO ships, wouldnt they eventually get far enough way from them where they weren't getting shot the whole time?
• The skimmers on Crait didn't do anything - no weapons, nothing.
• Just struggling with a lot of it - too much slapstick humor, things developing too quickly, no real aftermath of the Ren coup on Snoke. Not showing Rey wake up and escape the throne room. Unnecessary CGI junk like BB8 riding the AT-ST.
• The whole - all our alies on the outer rim ... noboody's coming. WTF?

• Star Lord Leia dies in space instead.
• Admiral Ackbar performs the jump to hyperspace kamikaze attack
• Luke is weakened by the effort of the Force projection, but regains his strength and doesn't disappear

• The Resistance bombers were the Star Wars equivalent of B-17s in every way possible.
• The mirror scene with Rey made me think "oh, so she's the Jedi Kwisatz Haderach."

Ag Since 83 said:

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I imagine George hates the good parts of this movie and loves the bad parts

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