Agreed. There was a moment when Gus' eyes shifted right with his head turned left as if he knew exactly where Walt was. And I was sure he somehow knew, but of course with no clue how

Anyone know if this season be eligible for the golden globes?

It hasn't gotten any love from them, but that damn well better change this year. Both Paul and Cranston have those suckers locked in.

I have a hunch that this show is going to end with Jesse killing Walt after finding out he watched Jane die.

I thought Gus was going to raise his arms at Walt just like how he did when the sniper was shooting around him. That would have been crazy.

Would it be crazy to think Walt actually did poison the kid?

At the beginning when he's spinning the gun and it lands pointing away from him, they lingered on the shot a little more than necessary. I remember trying to figure out the significance of it.

Turns out it was pointing at something. A castor oil plant. (From which ricin is made.)

Foreshadowing, or a clue?

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i wouldnt put it past walt, but how do you know what a castor oil plant looks like?

I don't, someone else brought it up on the 4chan tv board. But it would explain that shot of Walt looking at it with a suspect look on his face.

Honestly, it would shock me if he did it. Any shred of the good man left in Walt is gone at that point. Doesn't totally add up though. How and when did he get the cigarette?

I'm sure the shot could've been put in there just to **** with us. Vince knows the fans are crazy devoted just like Losties were.

Now they're bringing up Saul's bodyguard's frisking scene was him grabbing the cigs.

Yeah, it's a bunch of crazy talk. These theories are getting kinda dopey.

Doubt Saul would try to derail the only client still bringing in money.

True, but if he was so desperate to take off why not just leave with Jesse's money? He seemed like he REALLY wanted to give him his money first.

Ah damn it, I'm being sucked into these damn theories just like I was with the whole 'Mike was aiming at Jesse' thing.

stop reading that board. The rivals main board has similiar theories and they sound just as far fetched. Someone even thinks they saw a bug on walts glasses (presumably placed their when they were out at the desert) and that gus was listening the whole time while looking for walt on the parking garage. It was his nosepiece and gus wasnt wearing any earpiece so dont know how he could be listening. Theres 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I think there's slightly more credibility to the Walt-poisoning theory though. When watching the episode I actually assumed, in the Skylar on the patio scene, that she might have been Gus's "appropriate measure" of retaliation. Is it out of the realm of possibility, more so than Gus poisoning the kid in a roundabout effort to kill Walt? I don't think so.

I think the season ends with Hank finally getting wise (to Walt's participation) and one or more of Gus/Skylar/Tyrus dying. If not, then I say Gus gets taken down by the DEA with serious implications for the final season.

I mean, hell, we've seen the lengths that Walt has gone to in order to keep his family safe. He needs Gus dead, now more than ever (as the last scene showed).

Stunning television. I can't wait until next week!

I guess Gus stopped having Walt and Jesse followed. Dumb.

great episode, cant believe next week is the finale ALREADY!

i kind of died a little when they said "when Breaking Bad returns NEXT SUMMER" ... that being said, admit it, how many of yall are applying for the walk-on role

If you really think through the how and why of either Walt or Gus poisoning Brock, you will soon find that both scenarios makes zero sense. Either the writers are asking us to take a major leap of faith, or it will be revealed that Brock simply had the flu.

Agreed. I love the show and I loved the tension of last night's episode...but both the poisoning and Gus' intuition were just implausible. Hopefully they explain it next week.

Either way, I'm looking forward to it.

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At the beginning when he's spinning the gun and it lands pointing away from him, they lingered on the shot a little more than necessary. I remember trying to figure out the significance of it.

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I think the significance is that Walt was thinking about killing himself.

Whoever poisoned Brock would have had to get the pack of cigarettes from Jesse's pocket, open the pack, remove the ricin, close the pack, and place it back in Jesse's pocket. The only one who could've done that is Tyrus...not the security guard.

It's also likely that Brock got into Jesse's cigarettes the night before. Just because Jesse SAYS he checked the pack doesn't mean he really did. Attention to detail has never really been his specialty.

Gus replaying the conversation in his head as he walked to his car and then stopping means he poisoned Brock. End of story.

There's no way that Walt poisoned the kid.

This show isn't Lost. The writers aren't trying to trick the viewers; they give you all the info. When there was the controversy over the gun angle when killing Gail scene, they came out and said he was dead and that they don't try to decieve anyone. The characters are deceptive to each other, but thats a different story.

If they intended for Walt to be behind the poisoning, they would show him agonizing over the decision. Then he would come to the conclusion that this was his only way out, and then the scene with Jesse holding a gun to his head would be that much more powerful because you could see how much of a monster he is. However, he didn't poison the kid.

All these theories are so off base its ridiculous.

Not necessarily - what if he is realizing Walt is behind it? If Walt kills Brock, it would be easy for Walt to convince Jesse to pin it on Gus, since both Walt and Jesse know Gus has killed children before. If Walt can convince Jesse of this (which he did by the way), Gus suddenly loses Jesse as an ally.

(that said, I CANNOT imagine Walt killing Brock, and the logistics of poisoning him don't add up - hence my "leap of faith" comment earlier)

This was not a good episode (by Breaking Bad standards).

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Not necessarily - what if he is realizing Walt is behind it? If Walt kills Brock, it would be easy for Walt to convince Jesse to pin it on Gus, since both Walt and Jesse know Gus has killed children before. If Walt can convince Jesse of this, Gus suddenly loses Jesse as an ally.

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but as herschel said, they would have shown the machinations of that from walt's point of view. it's not in the show's style to have people's actions come out of nowhere, especially for walt and jesse. gus can do stuff like that, but that adds to his mystique. which is all the more reason I'm almost certain it was him.

he could've asked saul for help, and he was the one who made that call without walt's help.

I agree that the writers don't try to deceive us, but in this case I'm pretty sure there's supposed to be doubt. There's a reason they don't show who did it, and why walt wasn't picking up his phone, etc.

This was the writers intentionally planting seeds of doubt in the viewers.

Herschel - I completely agree with you.

However, Gus poisoning Brock requires major leaps in logic. If it is all explained next week, I'm ok, however as you said this show is not built on mystery. It's very straightforward. I doubt there is any further explanation of this.

It was Gus, no dobut. But, what would leave him to the conclusion that his car was rigged to blow?

It's kinda a stretch for Gus to think that Jesse lured him and that he figured out his car was going to blow up. Unless he saw tire tracks by his car, because I'm sure Walt would have sped in out and next to Gus' car. But they would have showed us all that, had that been the case.

The only "plot twist" I could see is that the poisoning was accidental or that the kid is just sick. The writers certainly use coincidences to move the plot. An example of this is the mid air plane collision in Season 2.

They could easily show that Jesse mis-remembered where he left the cigarettes and the kid got his hand on the ricin somehow. You are right, there is still a large leap of faith to Gus pulling off the poisoning and thinking that will turn Jesse against Walt.

Also, I don't think they need to explain how Gus knew to avoid the car. He already has great "intuition" in avoiding being killed. And I'm guessing as a drug lord involved in two major battles (cartel and Walt) he knows he needs to change his routine regularly to avoid being merc'd.

i think Ted poisoned the kid.

After thinking about it all night, I can definitely believe Walt would poison Brock, but I don't know how he would have pulled it off.

In another "breaking bad" moment, Walt is faced with the need to get Jesse back on his side. Walt never would have killed a kid before, but if the alternative is his entire family is killed? Well, if the options are Walt's family dies or he poisons Brock with Ricin (likely even telling himself Jesse will figure it out and the docs will save the boy, making him not a killer at all) I think he'd do it.

Also, when has Walt ever been the one to just sit at home and wait to be killed? He's always been proactive about fixing his problems. Sitting at home and waiting for Gus send wave after wave of killers at him isn't his M.O.

As has been mentioned though, while Saul's guard might have lifted the Cigs off Jesse, we haven't seen how they would have planted the Cigs back on him.

I think the writers intentionally left just enough holes in this because this is a conspiracy they want us to view as a possibility, if only to make us consider "How bad is Walter White?"

Question: Anyone have any idea how long its been since the pool party in Mexico? The Mexican doc said it would take Mike a week to recover. Any chance he's back and staying out of sight yet? If he's back, he could easily be tailing White (or, really, anyone could be tailing white) and telling Gus to stay away from his car, then Gus would go outside just to make a show for Walt and mess with his head by walking away from the car.

It wasn't Walt.

His hysterical laughing moment when Jesse was pointing the gun at him when he realized what was going on was genuine. It was just like a shorter burst of the hysterical laughing in the prior episodes ending.

The laughter gives it away that Walt didn't do it. Him laughing in no way advances him trying to pin it on Gus. It's genuine realization on just how far Gus is ahead of things.

I feel like if Mike was tailing Walt they'd have showed it.

I'm still interested in hearing theories on how Gus knew not to get back in the car.

I feel like the conversation with Jesse where he said that the kid was poisoned, but "the doctors don't know how" is key. Because you would think if they could figure out the kid was poisoned and not just exhibiting flu-like symptoms, they'd have a theory of what caused it, too. If Gus DID knowingly poison the kid, Jesse giving up the fact that they knew he was poisoned might have been all the clue that Gus needed to feel that he might have been lured there, exacerbated by how obviously emotional Jesse was about the kid being in such a state.

So will the next episode open with Gus going back into the hospital to confront Jesse again? Or was he just leaving on foot out of a staircase or something?

Does Walt remind anyone else of the Joker from TDK? His laughter and placing his hands over Jessie's with the handgun pressed against his head?

Oh yea, that's another thing. If we go with the Walt did it conspiracy theory, I could even see his gun being empty, thus emboldening him to challenge Jesse to shoot him so forcefully. (I've never understood in TV or movies why any character would put a gun to their own head and dare someone to pull the trigger - unless they know its not loaded)

They're going to keep things vague and leave a lot of what's happening off screen to keep us guessing i think.

My theories:

1: The kid stole the cigarette from Jesse and smoked it or something like that. Gus and Walt are not involved.

2: Brock's mom or grandma turns the cops onto Jesse and he gets charged with something. Not letting him into the hospital room is not a good sign.

3: Jesse being out of commission either forces Gus bring Walt back in to keep cooking or bring the chemist from Mexico in to cook for him.