man, that article posted with Gilligan is officially a MUST read

Yep, the article pretty much states they will have to deal with Mike next season..

I don't know what Mike's motive would be to keep after them. He always struck me as an incredibly practical character and if he's not getting paid anymore, I'd think he'd move on.

Mike did know Gus's secret though, didn't he? Wouldn't be shocked if the season opened up with Latin Americans capturing him and torturing him / killing him to find out what he knows as a way of establishing how badass the new players in town are.

I agree. There is going to have to be some kind of outside motivation for Mike to go after Walt and Jesse. He is too practical to kill them just because he isn't getting a paycheck anymore.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHy9VHhYyg

The song playing when they burn down the lab? Yep, that was them. 13 and 15 years old.

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hmmm, I figured it was rodrigo and gabriela. they're good.

From someone on the general board

someone

Posted another link earlier, this here is the actual song from the episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTGSfbP-N8

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The "gus scene" was necessary to prove to the audience that he was really dead


Why? Like someone else said, they could have had him realistically crawling out to the hallway with half his face blown off, gargling blood and gasping for air, before collapsing. I was actually kind of shocked that they left this ridiculously fake and cheesy scene in there. You don't calmy walk out to the hallway and try to straighten out your tie when you get half of your face and body blown off. I would like to know wth Gilligan was thinking, he's better than that.

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I think some of you are missing the beauty in this "cheesy scene".

While I agree with you fellas- the sheer velocity of that door coming off it's hinges- anything in that room disintegrated or wouldn't be moving. It was a perfect use of symbolism and imagery

We have this character Gus- motivated, meticulous, OCD, dangerous, professional, methodical, and utterly badass (see Box Cutter). Like many of you mentioned before- his appearance out of that room gives us one more glimpse- that split second belief that Gus is something more than a man. Responsible for the near perfect execution of a multimillion dollar meth operation. A head member of the Mexican cartel saw his demise from Gus.

I don't think Vince would've let us see Gus go out on his knees, weeping, or begging for his life. He walked out of that room in shock, staring death in the face, adjusting his tie.

Now that, is badass. Loved the scene

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I think the writers were just having a little fun with dead Gus walking. I'll give it to them. They've earned it. Heck when I first saw Gus I yelled "no effing way". They knew everyone would have that reaction, and they got it. Again, they earned a little levity from me.

At some point in the final season it will be Walt v Hank. We know that Walt has his pride and he yearns for his due recognition. We saw that back in season one with his old chemistry partner. We've also seen 4 seasons now of Hank taking little digs at Walt, about being an egghead or being boring, etc. I think Hank is not going to so much find out about Walt as Walt is going to want to shove it Hank's face that he is Heisenberg, that he is the man behind it all. He's going to love flaunting it to Hank.



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Finally just saw it...wow!


My only complaint was the label in the planter. No one is seriously that stupid to need to literally have the plant name SPELLED OUT for them, right?

Would have been perfect if it just zoomed in on the plant and left it at that.

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I think the writers were just having a little fun with dead Gus walking. I'll give it to them. They've earned it. Heck when I first saw Gus I yelled "no effing way". They knew everyone would have that reaction, and they got it. Again, they earned a little levity from me.

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This.

It has been posited here before that one of the best things about the show is the lack of deus ex machinas, with most holes characters dig themselves into being resolved in what turns out to be a totally plausible solution (with maybe the 737 crash being the only one out of left field-- but even then I just didn't realize what they were foreshadowing).

If it's not realistic that Gus could have walked out of the room after an explosion like that but they wanted to have a shock and awe kind of moment to commemorate his send-off, I say more power to them. Gus' character deserves something big and bold like that.

I know that moment is going to be etched in my memory as a favorite for the rest of my life.

My mother has cucumers and tomatoes (two plants that look nothing alike) in her garden, half and half. Yet she always feels compelled to stick that plastic stake in the soil labeling her 6 rows.

She has a PhD so I know she's not stupid, its just planting "protocol" to some folks.

THAT....WAS.....AWESOME!

I didn't see this posted but here is a frame from the opening scene of the season in Gale's apartment.

Bill, I didn't mean to say that people who have the plant label thing next to the plant are dumb or anything, it just seemed like an unnecessary thing to end the while season on... I would preferred a little more subtlety. Anyway it was super nitpicky of me in the first place, I loved everything else about the show.

I thought it was fine. It's very possible that it was a network note, to make it clear it was that plant.

and god knows, we'd be arguing about whether it was actually a lily of the valley plant for the next 9-10 months. I'm fine with them making it clear.

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and god knows, we'd be arguing about whether it was actually a lily of the valley plant for the next 9-10 months.

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considering half the internet was convinced it was a castor oil plant (per 4Chan via Sharkenleo), I'm glad they put a sign there.

Also, just for fun...

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posted 5:41p, 10/03/11

We do this every week, go around in circles about what was done when what was done is obvious, just like here Gus did it. He was the only one with access to the cig (you honestly think the fat goon could do that?), motivation, Walt's reaction was obviously him figuring it out.

It really isn't even worth discussing. The discussion should be around what triggered Gus knowing not to get in the car. Possibly something Jessie said about the poisoning, maybe just the feeling he got from the view and seclusion...

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posted 9:52a, 10/04/11

I agree with ORAggieFan, just because you guys fill up 2 pages overanalyzing the minutia doesn't mean it's worth discussing. Gus wanted Jesse to find out Brock was poisoned so Jesse would suspect Walt. End of story.

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See guys. It IS worth discussing crackpot theories on the thread. Embrace the insanity.

This series will end with Jesse killing Walt.

****ing 4chan

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i would think it would be the other way around personally

that's the ultimate for walt... killing his "son"

walt kills jesse

hank busts walt

walt dies alone in prison

Bryan Cranston was on WTF Podcast last week and talked about how one of the things that he loves and sets BB apart is how they don't care if you like Walt. Most anti-hero characters are a-holes, but they are a-holes we like, like Don Draper and Tony Soprano, they are smooth operators banging hot chicks and smoking cigs. BB is set apart in how they place the moral dilemna within the main character and make hardly any effort to make Walk likeable.

What's interesting to me is how many people continue to like him. And not just in a "root for the likeable bad guy" way like Don or Tony, but justifying the actions of the unlikeable bad guy. He's certainly interestingly despicable, which is what makes the show entertaining, but he's gone too far too many times to justify anything at this point. How people can justify what he did to Brock with "he didn't want to kill him", is just beyond me. There's no way he could have known 100% that he wouldn't die, and anything less is not OK for an innocent kid. I'll be exponentially more satisfied if Walt gets what he deserves than I would have been(was?) if (when?) Tony got his.

but i do like walt

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What's interesting to me is how many people continue to like him. And not just in a "root for the likeable bad guy" way like Don or Tony, but justifying the actions of the unlikeable bad guy. He's certainly interestingly despicable, which is what makes the show entertaining, but he's gone too far too many times to justify anything at this point. How people can justify what he did to Brock with "he didn't want to kill him", is just beyond me. There's no way he could have known 100% that he wouldn't die, and anything less is not OK for an innocent kid. I'll be exponentially more satisfied if Walt gets what he deserves than I would have been(was?) if (when?) Tony got his.

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I think it's because this show resonates with a part of humanity that we don't like to recognize.

How far would you go to "protect your family"? Where is the line?

For Walt, the fates tried to tell Walt that the answer was to sacrifice himself. Twice. It wasn't until the third time he spun the gun that it finally landed on the plant and not on him. That was intentional.

Throughout the series, he's continually chosen himself and his family over others. He watched Jane die rather than save her, so he took a passive role in her death. He arranged for Gale to be shot, so took an active roll in his death. Finally, he poisoned Brock. He was directly responsible for that.

In short, there is nothing that Walk won't do to survive. I think a lot of people wonder how they'd respond in the same situation.

So Walt resonates for better or for worse. That's why this show is genius; because he was a good man pushed to the brink and now he'll do anything and everything to survive.

but again, thru means that put him and his family in danger. he had opportunities to accept help from others and he didn't take them.

let's be clear...he LIKES being the bad guy. he likes having power. and he doesn't seem to really care if that puts his family in danger. I mean, he'd say he doesn't like that, but not enough to give up the power. so he's long past the point of being able to claim he's just trying to protect his family, as far as I'm concerned.

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think it's because this show resonates with a part of humanity that we don't like to recognize.

How far would you go to "protect your family"? Where is the line?

In short, there is nothing that Walk won't do to survive. I think a lot of people wonder how they'd respond in the same situation.

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I think that's what surprises me- that many people would go that far to survive. We're at a point now where he'll actively put any innocent person(kid, neighbor) in front of death so that he doesn't have to die. And the general response seems to be that people identify that, or root for him in that situation, which isn't the page I'm on.


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There was some discussion with how Gus avoided the car bomb in the hospital. When I watched the episode for the first time, I thought that he saw some glare off Walt's glasses that spooked. If you rewatch the episode the last shot is them zooming in on the glasses on top of Walt's head. Now that we know Gus did not poison Brock he would have been paranoid by Jesse bring up up poison inside the hospital.

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Disagree strongly. Of course he cares. Did you watch crawl space?

I don't root for Don Draper, I don't like him at all. Though there are anti-heroes that I did root for who were very bad people, like Vic Mackey.

But you folks defending Walt because everything he has done is for his family are wrong. That's how this started, but that's not where it is now. It's now just Walt and his ego. he tells himself he is doing it to protect his family. He's had chances in the past to get out and that would have been great for him and his family, but he chose not to. He continues to make decisions that put his family in even MORE danger.

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But you folks defending Walt because everything he has done is for his family are wrong.

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