Mexican chemist was killed at the pool I think.

And yea, I think Brock accidentally consuming the Ricin on his own is most likely. (Maybe when he recovers he'll say he smoked it because he wanted to be cool like Jesse, throwing Jesse into another guilt cycle.)

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1: The kid stole the cigarette from Jesse and smoked it or something like that. Gus and Walt are not involved.

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This. First, how would/does Gus know about the cig? Has there ever been a clue that Gus knows? Second, when would Walt be able to get the cig? Like others have said, this isn't Lost, I would think there would be better clues than just "what if's".

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This show isn't Lost. The writers aren't trying to trick the viewers; they give you all the info.

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I agree. I've changed my stance on the "who poisoned Brock" issue several times, and this is my new theory.

It all happened just as Jesse said it did. Walt got Saul to poison Brock.

Huell had a 2nd pack of cigs identical to Jesse's (except no ricin). When he frisked Jesse, he slipped the pack into Jesse's pocket as he removed the ricin pack. It doesn't matter if the new pack had the right amount of cigarettes because Jesse will see that his ricin cigarette is gone as soon as he looks inside the pack again anyway.

They already showed that Saul has made regular visits to Andrea & Brock. So Saul knows where they live, they trust him, and Brock is accustomed to taking things from Saul.

Other message boards are suggesting that the plant the gun pointed to on the 3rd spin is poisonous, but will only give flu-like symptoms, especially in children.

The writers never show what Walt did that entire day. But they show that he never answered his phone many times. Why? He had plenty of time to make the poison and get it to Saul so he could go poison Brock.

Why else would Saul be so adamant that Jesse come to get his cash? Why would it matter so much to him? The only reason is so that he could get that cigarette.

If Gus didn't order the poisoning of Brock, then he knows Walt did. Gus presumably figured out the basics of Walt's plan as he was walking to his car.

I don't know if Gus knew about the ricin cigarette, and it doesn't really matter. Honestly, I would assume that he does. And if so, he would have replaced with a fake vial of ricin a long time ago anyway.

[This message has been edited by taint98 (edited 10/3/2011 1:01p).]

Good lord people.

It happened the way Walt explained it. Gus wanted buy in for Jessie to kill Walt. What better way to get it and to have Jessie pull the trigger?

Just becuase you don't know what Walt did, doesn't mean he did what you said he did. Saul didn't want anyone chasing after him for the money, which is why he called Jessie to get there.

Gus realized that he didn't leave anyone to watch the car, that is why he realized it'd be a mistake to go to the car.

Taint just outlined the exact theory I've landed on as well. As crazy and far fetched as it seems, the more I think about it the more sense it makes.

Why would Saul kill the kid?

We know that Walt has less than $500k left. Does Saul hit children? Does he do it for $300k?

What motive does Saul have?

Other than to fit your theory of how it was doen, it make no sense?

this thread becomes so insufferable with theories

I mean seriously, if you are a dramatic supporting actor do you even bother to submit yourself for the emmy's? Aaron Paul might be the best actor on TV right now. Damn he is good!

You people are going to be disappointed when they reveal the kid just took the smoke out of the pack and Jesse didn't realize it when he said he did the pack transfer.

There are leaps of logic that have to be made for either one to be the poisoner. For it to be Walt, he has to have come up with this convoluted plan and then carry it out. Also Saul's bodyguard has to be a lot more competent than he appears to be. He also has to be basically acting for the audience in that he certainly didn't seem to be expecting Jesse when he was waiting at his house.

On the other hand, Gus would have had to have known Jesse was carrying around this cigarette the whole time. Okay, that seems somewhat plausible. But then he has to come up with this crazy plan to poison this kid and hopes it leads back to Walt? It just doesn't seem like Gus's style. And if this was his plan he'd definitely have people still trailing Jesse. Someone so apparently in control of everything would definitely expect that Jesse might not kill Walt and that they might piece it together.

The one thing that does seem plausible to me is that Gus would sense the trap. Either he poisoned the kid and figured out that Jesse suspected him when he met him in the hospital. Or he did not poison the kid and when Jesse told him that the kid was poisoned, he began to sense a plot.

@GreasenUSA - be glad you didn't follow the LOST threads, then

@Jim - yeah, he's been nails all season. I really wish they would figure out how to do a dark tower project, because he'd be perfect for the role of Eddie Dean.

yeah, i followed the Lost threads some then

I guess I'm starting to realize I should just stay away and enjoy what the show presents to me as it comes.

The ricin was in a vial inside the cigarette, it had to have been opened to be ingested.

here's my theory: they already used all the ricin when they were by the pool down in Mexico

my theory... Badger and Skinny Pete poisoned the kid

it's all part of their masterplan to take over the meth trade in the Southwest

Another crazy theory.

I think Jesse is desperate for it to be anyone else's fault. He was directly responsible for Jane falling back into drugs and ODing. He believes he was responsible for getting Combo in a situation to be killed by Thomas, and thus, Thomas's death. He murdered Gale. And when he was ready to pack it in, it was Mike making him a hero and Andrea (and her son) that got Jesse back off the ledge.

Now Andrea's son is dying because of Jesse, and he's trying to blame anything and anyone other than himself.

I think Walt used that desperation to frame Gus, but Walt never had a part in poisoning Brock. Similarly, I don't think Gus poisoned Brock. Rather, Jesse is trying to blame anyone other than himself, and Walt is taking advantage of him...again.

That actually makes more sense.

But, he had to have been poisoned, right?

I think you are closest, MW.

Walt has shown time and time again that he can talk his way out of any spot he's put in, and though he didn't poison Brock, he was able to think of a case where Gus could have (whether he truly believes he did or not) to spare himself. Either way, he knew Jesse was just acting out of emotion and needed someone to blame other than himself or Walt.

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I thought he was one of the ones that didn't drink the shot... Jesse, Mike, & the kid with the beard that Mike strangled that was shooting at Gus at the chicken farm.

Upon further review... he's dead.

The first time I watched it I just thought he was watching everyone fall out.


Just sitting there watching everyone.


This was a quick cut scene when Jesse was reacting to Mike taking down the kid with the beard. Now I can notice he's holding his stomach


But here he is to the right of Mike taking the shot.

I just didn't catching it the first time through.

MW: so...Brock ingested it himself? It was in a vial.

I do agree with your post just not sure how he took it.

man, i can't come up with a really plausible theory.

Here's why I don't think Walk is responsible... why would he have Saul go to the trouble of lifting the cigs from Jesse? Way too complicated and easy to be discovered/caught. He could have made some himself, right? It doesn't add up. Besides, Saul has never come off to me as the sharpest person in this saga. I'll give you that he has contacts/knows people who can help... isn't that where his usefulness comes into play? Besides, his body guard (the A Team) seems too clumsy to pull it off.

We do this every week, go around in circles about what was done when what was done is obvious, just like here Gus did it. He was the only one with access to the cig (you honestly think the fat goon could do that?), motivation, Walt's reaction was obviously him figuring it out.

It really isn't even worth discussing. The discussion should be around what triggered Gus knowing not to get in the car. Possibly something Jessie said about the poisoning, maybe just the feeling he got from the view and seclusion...

Capstone - to make it look like Gus' doing.

could the burn of the cigarette have melted through whatever vile they were using? my initial theory was that the kid snuck into Jesse's pack of cigarettes, poisoned himself, and that Jesse just couldnt handle the guilt and snapped and was trying to deflect blame onto Walt. Jesse seems to really love that kid. Then naturally, when Gus found out the boy was poisoned and the Dr's had no clue what it was, he is assuming Walt did it to turn Jesse completely against him and use him in a plan to off Gus. Gus probably did the math when leaving the hospital. That may be completely off but its just crazy that he knew not to to get into the car and was looking out at surrounding buildings suspiciously. HOW ON EARTH WOULD HE HAVE KNOWN TO DO THAT???

Maybe when Gus told Jesse that it was ok that the batch was already ruined and that he could come back when he was ready (next week or whatever), Jesse was convinced that Gus wasnt in on the poisoning and that he had been set up by Walt like he initially thought, so he gave him the heads up not to get into his car via text? we know that Gus was awfully close to flipping Jesse completely against Walt.


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frankly I have NO IDEA where they are going to take the show from here, but I do know that it will likely get very messy and I will probably love it

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this, can't agree more, but also can't wait for next week to get here

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frankly I have NO IDEA where they are going to take the show from here

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Neither does Vince Gilligan.

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AS BREAKING BAD NEARS ITS FINAL SEASON, DOES GILLIGAN KNOW HOW IT WILL ALL END? HAS HE ALREADY WRITTEN THE FINAL SCENE IN HIS HEAD? | The answers are no, and no. “I wish I did — but then again I don’t wish I did, because … there’s a lot of invention left to be done on Breaking Bad,” he told us. “We’ve got 16 more hours to fill, and honestly I don’t exactly know where it’s all going to wind up — and I think that’s a good thing. When we get back in the writers room in mid-November, we’re going to do it the way we’ve always done it, which is build it brick-by-brick…. The best I can say is I’ve got hopes and dreams for the characters, but I don’t have any solid plot moments for them yet. We’re going to find it when we find it.”

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http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-season-4-finale-preview/

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interesting...i swear i read/heard somewhere that vince already knows how it will end.

I felt like they lingered on Walt's glasses when he was on the room to show that maybe Gus saw a reflection off them

Walt seemed way too close to need binocs

Not sure Walt/gus had anything to do with poison, but the way Jesee said "they don't know how" tipped Gus into realizing Jesse was accusing him. As he walked back to car he started trying to figure out why and it set off his spidey sense

I think Kristin Shepard poisoned Brock.

Gus's spidey sense was a bit much

otherwise, another great, tense episode

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It really isn't even worth discussing.

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the preceding two pages of discussion are evidence to the contrary

I agree with ORAggieFan, just because you guys fill up 2 pages overanalyzing the minutia doesn't mean it's worth discussing. Gus wanted Jesse to find out Brock was poisoned so Jesse would suspect Walt. End of story.

Brian Cranston coming up on Dan Patrick Show soon for those interested.