please kill walt jr.

do not kill mike

After rewatching it, I doubt he's aiming at Jesse. I'm pretty sure he just spotted the guy and was trying to get a shot off. Doesn't make any sense for him to shoot Jesse.

Now as for Skyler telling Ted about the money - big mistake, imo. Obviously he will start asking questions. If Walter finds out what she did, bye bye Ted.

I just watched the ending again too and Pseudo's right. Mike is standing behind the open car door and as Jesse walks by to go to the other side of the car, Mike raises his gun right at him like he's going to shoot him in the back of the head. and then boom, he gets shot. Very interesting.

Like I said, doubtful that that's what was intended. Probably just the result of unfortunate angle/editing. Like the last shot of season 3, where it looked like Jesse might not have shot Gale.

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After rewatching it, I doubt he's aiming at Jesse. I'm pretty sure he just spotted the guy and was trying to get a shot off. Doesn't make any sense for him to shoot Jesse.

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Yes it does. In the previews for next week, Walt asks the black dude who's been using the equipment to cook. So they've already got someone in there to take over. These last couple of episodes have been trying to win people's sympathy with Gus and Mike and it's working, but just watch, they're going to yank that rug out from under us. It's just business.


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You guys probably think that Jessie moved the gun too.

He was getting in the car and turned when he got shot.

Wow...amazing episode. I think Mike was definitely about to off Jesse. Nice catch...didn't even see it the first time.

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He was getting in the car and turned when he got shot.

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Did you just rewatch it? Because I did just 5 minutes ago. He was not getting in the car. He was standing there between the car and open door with his back to the car and raised his gun in the direction Jesse was walking.


[This message has been edited by brucoh (edited 9/18/2011 11:25p).]

Right as Mike spots the guy to the side, then the bullet comes right through the window, with Mike's gun already up in Jesse's direction.

Wow, I might actually be wrong then. That's crazy. Never would have noticed.

If they wanted Jesse dead, they would have let him take the shot of tequila. Therefore, I say Mike was not about to shoot him.

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You guys probably think that Jessie moved the gun too.

He was getting in the car and turned when he got shot.

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I don't know what "Jessie moved the gun too" means, but Mike was leveling his weapon in Jessie's direction before he noticed the last cartel dude. Like brucoh mentioned, the previews next week show that someone other than Walt/Jessie has been cooking.

I'm just guessing here of course, but it appears that they have another cook. Their plan was to off Jessie in Mexico and then come back and finish off Walt. The only reason they didn't poison Jessie with the rest of the cartel was the possibility they'd need his gun to escape the compound. Once they assumed they had secured their getaway, Mike was about to pop Jessie.

This scenario works, because it puts Jessie and Walt back on the same team. I can't imagine they'd run another full season with Jessie and Walt being at odds.

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If they wanted Jesse dead, they would have let him take the shot of tequila. Therefore, I say Mike was not about to shoot him.

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Not if they thought they were going to have to shoot their way out of the place. You think that their plan was to rely solely on Mike's gun and tough words from Gus? Remember that Gus was sick and weak from the poison. It makes sense to keep Jessie alive as an extra pair of hands and eyes until they're in the car.

[This message has been edited by PseudoHorn (edited 9/18/2011 11:31p).]

Just when I was starting to like Mike and Gus.

;_;

Hmm, I'm not sure. Would such an important point be so subtle that most would not notice it? Maybe Gilligan will address it as he did the "Jesse moved the gun" theory.

Edit, out of posts: Haha, you're all so sure that Mike was going to kill him. I'm not saying that's false but I guess I'm just skeptical. Hopefully we'll find out one way or another.

Edit again: Also, the gun is pointed neither at Jesse's head nor his heart. Did he raise the gun toward Jesse's head a split-second later?

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If they wanted Jesse dead, they would have let him take the shot of tequila. Therefore, I say Mike was not about to shoot him.

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Nope. They knew it was very likely that Gus would get sick so they needed Jesse to get help get them out of there and fight any remain stragglers if needed. When Mike thought the coast was clear, he raised his gun to shoot Jesse, but surprise, the coast wasn't clear.

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Hmm, I'm not sure. Would such an important point be so subtle that most would not notice it?

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Absolutely it would. It's the hallmark of quality storytelling. It's one of the reasons why BB is one of the best shows on television.

I rewatched it, and that screenshot is misleading. Jessie is much closer to the camera. He has his arm extended but Jessie is about 4 feet from the car. There is no way he could've shot him at that angle.

You're seeing WAY too much. Accept what they've given you.

Well that was the officialy the turning point in the season for me. Wow, just wow! It seemed like it was gaining steam for a while, just never neared the climax until tonight.


By looking at the comments, I guess im the only one who thought that the present gus brought for don eladio was in fact the "tios" head. I couldve sworn it would be that.



Upon seeing the tequila, i thought of ricin. Since it has been mentioned as the method of poisoning in this thread, does anybody remember how long it is supposed to take effect? During the last season when jesse convinced walt to let him poison the street dealers that killed little tomas, I thought that walt told jesse (or jesse told wendy) that it could not be traced back to them in any way because it would take several hours before it even went into effect.


Just nitpticking though, just as the posters arguing over whether mike is aiming for jesse (or not) are. Never noticed it until the hornfan pointed it out, but it does indeed look like mike is going for the head shot.



If you knew who steven bauer was and saw him in the opening credits last week, you knew exactly what his role would be.

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I rewatched it, and that screenshot is misleading. Jessie is much closer to the camera. He has his arm extended but Jessie is about 4 feet from the car. There is no way he could've shot him at that angle.

You're seeing WAY too much. Accept what they've given you.

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I think it should be considered, just as jesse moving the gun out of the way during the finale was (yes, aaron paul noted during an interview that he didnt know the fate of the character and hoped that jesse did not miss or the bullet bounce off of gail's head, etc.)

And then even before the next season started, Vince Gilligan said that he shot Gale, no if ands or buts.

Breaking Bad is genius for the subtlety, but not for tricking the audience.

This ain't freaking The Killing.

I've just watched it once, but I thought Mike said something like, "get us out of here kid". Plus the bad guy was in the direction of where his pistol was drawn.

Once again the storyline with Skylar was weak. Who's going to believe the inheritance crap? As Saul suggested, it was a stupid idea to begin with. The scene with Walt Jr. could have been cut in half and been just ass effective.

Overall, another great episode.

How about Carlo Rota ( Chloe's husband from 24) being the snooty chemist?

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I've just watched it once, but I thought Mike said something like, "get us out of here kid". Plus the bad guy was in the direction of where his pistol was drawn.

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He said "get us out of here kid" after he had been shot. Had no choice at that point. The guy that shot Mike was 90 degrees left to the direction his gun was aimed. If it would've been aimed at the guy who shot him, it wouldn't have been a surprise shot like it was and it probably would've been Jesse that got shot since he was standing in front of Mike in that direction.

Just watched it again in slo mo after several times in live action.

Mike says, "Go" to Jessie after he gets Gus in the car.

The gun turns to Jessie after he is shot, but he defintaly extends the gun out the window.

So, I don't know.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! What a great episode! Once again the only weak parts of the episode are when skylar or walt jr are in scenes. Just get rid of them, now please. Skylar is just there to mess stuff up, not sure what's walt jrs role is.

But aside from the did Mike intend to kill Jesse or not (I don't think he did) I'm surprised no one is talking about how Gus survived the poison. NO WAY he isn't affected exaclty like the others if it had already made it throught their systems to kill them right as Gus was throwing it back up. Gus should have been just as dead as everyone else.

Could it be something similar to "The Princess Bride" when Wesley built up a tolerance to the poison he used to kill Rick Moranis' character?

Also, I don't think Mike was going to kill Jesse. What was the motivation (at that point...there is plenty of motivation eventually)? If they want to kill him, they'll have plenty of opportunities to do so between that point and their arrival in the US. Why not keep him alive as an extra hand/gun until you've secured safety then kill him?

Wasn't Gus putting something in his mouth before the head Cartel guy came out?

Maybe something the would slow the effects if the poison?

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But aside from the did Mike intend to kill Jesse or not (I don't think he did) I'm surprised no one is talking about how Gus survived the poison. NO WAY he isn't affected exaclty like the others if it had already made it throught their systems to kill them right as Gus was throwing it back up. Gus should have been just as dead as everyone else.

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You didn't see Gus take those two pills when he first got out by the pool? Before presenting the "gift"??? Maybe some type of antidote to weaken/block the effects of the poison???

oops. I guess I did miss the part about him taking pills. Everyone else seems to have caught it.

i know it was to offset the effects so he was able to take the shot with everyone else, but i wonder if it offsets the FULL effect of the poison to be non-fatal and just violently ill for a while....

im curious as to where Jesse plans on taking an unconcious Gus & wounded Mike out in the boonies of Mexico to be treated...

After watching it about five times I have come to the conclusion that yall are reading way too into it and I do not believe he was raising it to shoot jessie. I think it was just the awkward way he was getting into the car going in butt first so he didn't have his back turned and he had to raise the gun above the door. It just happened to be that jessie was going around the front of the car. Also, someone stated that they would've given him the drink if they wanted him dead. Someone else refuted that by saying they needed jesse to get out of there alive. Wouldn't Mike still need jesse for a little while longer until they were in the clear?? That is not the most opportune time to shoot someone in the back of the head when you are trying to escape at that point.

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No way Mike was going to shoot Jesse. Jesse's in good with Gus now (I think he proved himself in the Mexican meth lab).

I'd have to say this is a contender for my favorite episode of the series...so many good dialogue scenes AND some crazy gangster stuff to go along with it. The game has changed.

The scene with Walt and Walt Jr. was some powerful sh*t...seeing your Dad in a completely vulnerable position is something most of us fear/dread/can relate to. It seems like that was one of the only times we've really gotten to see what Walt's truly feeling.

Great episode.