*** Official Breaking Bad Season 4 Thread ***

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sharkenleo
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11:18a, 10/4/11
There's no way of knowing either way. Both possibilites require "leaps of logic" really. If you look at Gus' expression when Jesse tells him the kid was poisoned, he looks pretty taken aback by that.

Either way, it has been discussed and analyzed as much as possible with the information we have, and Vince has said all questions will be answered next episode.
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11:29a, 10/4/11
It seems very clear to me that when Gus told Jesse on the phone that an appropriate response to Walt's calling the DEA would be handed down that the events that followed were just that. Gus knows he has to turn Jesse against Walt and that was his way of doing it.
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11:29a, 10/4/11
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It seems very clear to me that when Gus told Jesse on the phone that an appropriate response to Walt's calling the DEA would be handed down that the events that followed were just that. Gus knows he has to turn Jesse against Walt and that was his way of doing it.
Exactly.
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Aggie_Journalist
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11:59a, 10/4/11
AG
I wonder if Gus can get his hands on the video the cartel took of Jesse doing the cook in Mexico. Then he wouldn't need Jesse or Walt and he could kill them both without problem.
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Inspector Spacetime
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12:51p, 10/4/11
AG
Gus has video footage of the cook in his own lab taken from surveillance cameras. I don't think he wants to proceed without one of the two of them, he would just prefer it to be Walt that's out of the picture. Knows how smart/crafty he can be, relative to Jesse, whose best quality he believes is loyalty.
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1:27p, 10/4/11
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I wonder if Gus can get his hands on the video the cartel took of Jesse doing the cook in Mexico. Then he wouldn't need Jesse or Walt and he could kill them both without problem.


my buddy and I were just discussing this. Combine that with all the film from his lab, and it seems he could find just about any half competent chemist to do the work.
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Charles Bronson
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2:18p, 10/4/11
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If you look at Gus' expression when Jesse tells him the kid was poisoned, he looks pretty taken aback by that.


I thought he showed textbook expressions of guilt. In my opinion he was trying to downplay this when he said Jesse could take some time off and that the current batch was probably already ruined anyways. When Jesse told him the kid was poisoned I dont think Gus could have looked more guilty. Deep breath, swallow, head in the air trying to remain confident...

[This message has been edited by Charles Bronson (edited 10/4/2011 1:18p).]
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4:50p, 10/4/11
AG
It wasn't Gus, and the actors said so.

They start to explain that part of the episode specifically around 3:15 or so in the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW7dfPgJgfc

They don't necessarily say Walt was responsible, but it's pretty clear Gus wasn't.

[This message has been edited by taint98 (edited 10/4/2011 3:51p).]
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5:38p, 10/4/11
AG
The other thing I haven't seen posted here, is that I think the hospital would've called Homeland Security, or at the very least the police, at the mention of ricin. I'd imagine they're required to immediately report any suspected cases. Maybe it will happen in the finale, but it seems like Jesse should already be in a holding cell.
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7:07p, 10/4/11
with a child being poisoned, the cops and CPS would've certainly been called, and jesse would have been detained/questioned upon his return.
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia
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8:08p, 10/4/11
AG
Why would Walt have left his gun lying on the chair when Jesse showed up? if he had poisoned Brock, and knowing Jesse would want blood for whoever did it, why would he take that chance?

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9:09p, 10/4/11
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because Walt didn't do it
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Joe Cole
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9:32p, 10/4/11
has there ever been anything revealed from TPTB on the show as to why they use some much shadowing on characters faces? Most of the scenes are always done where one half of the face in in light and one half is in shadow. Once I noticed, it started jumping out at me in every scene
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sharkenleo
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9:48p, 10/4/11
I'm sure there are times when they're going for the obvious symbolism of the good and bad within each character, and others where it's just due to the lighting and unintentional.

[This message has been edited by sharkenleo (edited 10/4/2011 8:50p).]
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ORAggieFan
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10:19p, 10/4/11
I don't know if that video convinces me. Actors aren't always in tune with the whole story, especially when that may have been recorded. But, it does give me some doubt for the first time.

I can't see it possibly being Walt though and would be pretty mad if it was him. The show has never had Walt or Jessie do things behind our back, rather giving us the look into what the do pretty much all the time. Such a drastic change to that at this point just doesn't seem right.
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Gig-Em2003
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10:28p, 10/4/11
AG
Its obvious now that Brock either stole the cigarette or is sick for another reason. I cannot comprehend Walt doing it. Jesse's paranoia is what led to the poisoning theory anyway. It could ultimately be that fate and coincidence brought Jesse and Walt back together.
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Joe Cole
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11:31p, 10/4/11
sharkenleo - I get the symbolism angle with the white/black, but it's practically every dialogue scene with the shadows.

take note next episode

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Inspector Spacetime
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12:57a, 10/5/11
AG
Based on that video, I would put my money on Brock having taken the cigarette himself. I don't believe that under any circumstances Walt would poison a child, and I don't think Gus would either. Walt may have said that Gus uses children, but wasn't it just the two low-level thugs (who Walt ran over with the Aztec) selling the stuff who were using him? Once he found out he made them stop, though it could've been just covering his own ass in front of Jesse/Walt.

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Charles Bronson
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10:04a, 10/5/11
No way Walt did it, although its funny that he has broken bad so far to the point where we are even contemplating it.
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sharkenleo
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11:14a, 10/5/11
Even though I'm considering the possibility, it would still floor me if it ends up being Walt.

Sunday cannot get here fast enough.
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MSFC Aggie
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2:32p, 10/5/11
AG
What if Jesse accidentally smoked the ricin cig?
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia
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2:39p, 10/5/11
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What if Jesse accidentally smoked the ricin cig?

he would have already started feeling the effects.

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America's destiny is not of our own choosing. We did not seek nor did we provoke an assault on our freedom and our way of life. We did not expect nor did we invite a confrontation with evil. Yet the true measure of a people's strength is how they rise to master that moment when it does arrive.
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Charles Bronson
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3:03p, 10/5/11
Didnt they say it takes several days for the effects to set in, hence it would look like the victim just randomly came down with something a few days after he was poisoned???

That would be CRAZY. However, we have to remember it was in a vile...no way Jesse wouldnt have noticed.

[This message has been edited by Charles Bronson (edited 10/5/2011 2:04p).]
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia
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3:27p, 10/5/11
AG
well how long did the course of the episode last? from when Brock got sick and jesse noticed the cig was gone, to when they made the move against Gus at the hospital was at least a couple of days correct?

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3:31p, 10/5/11
AG
I think Jesse only missed one day at the lab, so I assume it was only 1 day total from Brock getting sick to the parking garage incident.
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3:31p, 10/5/11
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What if Jesse accidentally smoked the ricin cig?


No way that happened.
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hereto
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4:39p, 10/5/11
I think Skylar smoked the ricin cig. It probably fell out of Jesses pack, the DEA guy found it and picked it up and added it to his pack, which Skylar bummed! What other explanation could there be for showing us Skylar randomly bumming a cig off a guy?


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Doug Christie
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4:42p, 10/5/11
what if the ricin cigarette is now in purgatory?
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ORAggieFan
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4:47p, 10/5/11
You could not smoke that cig. It had to have been removed.

Can't wait until next week. On Sepinwall's podcast he wasn't talking much about the episode because he had seen the finale already, but mentioned to Feinberg there would be only one thing we were talking about after the finale....
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4:50p, 10/5/11
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what if the ricin cigarette is now in purgatory?
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Doug Christie
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4:51p, 10/5/11
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On Sepinwall's podcast he wasn't talking much about the episode because he had seen the finale already, but mentioned to Feinberg there would be only one thing we were talking about after the finale....


that mike really DID mean to shoot Jesse at the cartel compound?!?!
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5:24p, 10/5/11
AG
what if the ricin cigarette shows up dead in a vacant covered in lime?
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Doug Christie
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5:36p, 10/5/11
what if the russian is smoking the ricin cigarette in the pine barrens?
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5:36p, 10/5/11
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just got done with that season of The Wire, nice reference. the comment about the cig being in purgatory made me lol as well.
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MSFC Aggie
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5:37p, 10/5/11
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What if the ricin cig smoked Jesse??
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