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Apache
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!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!







Last night's episode cleared some things up. The Others aren't crash survivors, they are wacked out scientists using the island as a lab for psychological experiments. This is what lots of people thought. The fake clothes give it away that they don't want the survivors to know who they really are.

I loved it when Echo comes into Gale's little holding cell. The look that he (Gale) had on his face was priceless. Pucker factor of 10.

Great, great episode.
I_bleed_maroon
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Ok, it's getting more bizarre every episode. A couple things:

The crib that they have made for Claire's baby has little Ocanic Airlines planes.

The crib also plays Catch a Falling Star, which is the EXACT same song that Claire asked the adoptive couple if they would sing to her child.

What was in the canteen that was sour???

Why the need for the Others to wear those disguises?

I am even more intrigued though I didn't think it was possible!
Hagen95
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Pucker factor of 10.


The rib and I noted that factor as well. I even commented that I would be very frightened if Mr. Echo came walking into my cell.
Sbisa04
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What was in the canteen that was sour???


i am assuming it was whatever drug she was under the influence of...ethan did not drink it if you remember, he just smelled it. also, the head dude that talked to ethan said something like 'he isn't going to be happy'...so who is really in charge? is it the scientist from the film or some other whacko we haven't even seen yet? pretty good episode.
Sbisa04
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oh and i agree with the ecko thing. i would be scared as hell and gale's look was hilarious. that scene was very confusing for me. was ecko really just confessing or was there something more to it? i mean, the tail people already knew he killed those 2 guys didn't they? why would he confess something to gale if others already knew?
matthopp
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The other that came to talk with ethan in front of Claire, was that Jacks Dad? I dont have any Jack episodes on my DVR.

Also, whats the story behind the book Lock gave Gale to read, but gale cant get into the book?
Sbisa04
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no that was not jack's dad. it was the head 'other' guy that said this was their island to jack in a previous episode. the book was by dostoevsky (sp?) and was apparently called "The Brothers Karamazov" according to a previous poster.
napalm99
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You're right murch,it wasn't Jack's Dad. That was Zeke. Hard to recognize because he was clean shaven.. but apparently he always has been, because Kate found that beard and theater glue in that locker, which I think Zeke used the night he found Jack, Locke & Sawyer in the jungle and told them to stay on their side of the island.

I am even more confused now than ever. This show is freaking great, though I'm sure it'll be a month before we get a new episode.

I do have one question -- Do y'all think that girl really is Rousseau's daughter Alex? I think that just makes things way too easy if it is.
Sbisa04
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i am definitely confused too. does anyone know when the next new episode will be on?

i think it is rousseau's daughter because in the episode where zeke talks to jack, locke and sawyer, he says "alex bring her here" referring to kate.

why the hell do they want all the children? why haven't they come back for claire's baby again?
I_bleed_maroon
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It's not a new episode until March 22!!!

ARGH!
redline248
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I hate Lost's stupid f-ing schedule.

cone
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the head dude that talked to ethan said something like 'he isn't going to be happy'...so who is really in charge?


Wild guess, but... Locke's dad.

[This message has been edited by SuperDave03 (edited 3/2/2006 10:50a).]
Caveman96
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Here's an interesting theory.
tree91
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I am glad to see Eko getting back into the show.
Joan Wilder
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Libby was in the water on the beach with the Tailies at their crash, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that she's an Other.

I don't like that Locke seems to be easily manipulated now.
Hong Kong Paul
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That was my favorite episode ever, which is surprising because it lacked my favorite characters (Sayid and Sawyer).

I loved the ending. Things are about to get very interesting.
rjhtamu
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I think the liquid in the canteen was definitely a psychotropic drug, they most often are acidic when liquified so that they can absorb through the stomach easier. And acids taste sour.
woop01
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I forgot it wasn't Adabisi walking into the cell for a second there.
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oh and i agree with the ecko thing. i would be scared as hell and gale's look was hilarious. that scene was very confusing for me. was ecko really just confessing or was there something more to it? i mean, the tail people already knew he killed those 2 guys didn't they? why would he confess something to gale if others already knew?


My ridiculous theory on this--Mr. Ecko knew this guy was an 'other.'

Others were only interested in taking 'good' people (and they had lists of who the 'good' people are). They only have enough vaccine for the 'good' people.

Ecko was on the list of 'good' people, until he killed two of the others. He wanted to make sure the others knew he was sorry.

Then there's the **** Ecko's doing with the trees. Lots going on with Ecko since he stared down the monster.
SouthTexasAg2006
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Don't know if anybody mentioned it, but Desmond worked for the science company as well. I'm assuming he is an "other" as well. Why would he just run off though?
NoACDamnit
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but Desmond worked for the science company as well.


When did they say this?
redass_ag
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Here is another Lost article from EW...

Fetal Attraction


On ''Lost,'' Claire starts to remember what happened when she was pregnant and kidnapped by the Others; plus, Henry Gale messes with Locke's head by Scott Brown




Let me begin by saying it's especially nice to write this column on nights when there's so very, very much to write about: the long-awaited story of what happened to Claire during her two-week abduction, a significant advancement of the Dharma mythology (including the discovery of a brand new hatch, the Caduceus), an illuminating look at Rousseau, and a heart-to-heart with Mister Eko. Not to mention some of the best dialogue in a while. For example, when Locke allowed Eko to question their captive, suspected Other Henry Gale:

Locke: Don't tell him what the alarm is for.

Eko: What is the alarm for?

This is inarguably the best-written episode in some time: excellent use of the plot groundwork laid last season (Claire's disappearance, Rousseau's involvement, the mystery illness, and Desmond's lotto-numbered injects), as well as excellent teases for future developments. So let's begin, to the tune of the Perry Como classic, ''Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket....''

My friend Liz called to remind me that this little ditty - the one played by the airplane mobile over Future Aaron's crib - was, in fact, the same song Claire, in last year's flashback, hoped that her child's adoptive parents would know. So how'd the Others know it, when they were preparing a nursery for the baby they planned to harvest from Claire?
Well, there's the psychic explanation - increasingly popular round these parts, especially with my colleague, the esteemed theorist Jeff Jensen.

The other explanation, of course, is that Claire's creepy Australian psychic (the one whose advice she sought on her unexpected pregnancy) was nothing of the sort - just a Dharma Other in civvies, sending his cohorts on the island fresh meat. He could've given them the full dossier on Claire. Of course, he's also the one who told Claire she must, must, must raise the baby herself - otherwise it'd turn out all
(shudder) wrong. This advice, and Claire's shifting maternal instincts, might all be part of the big Dharma mind game.

Which brings us to the blue-eyed, raven-haired young lady we're assuming to be Rousseau's daughter, Alex. Clearly, the Others have their own insubordination problems. Evil baby injectors they may be, but as Alex and (to a lesser extent) Ethan have shown us, they're not a Hive Mind.
(Ethan never should've taken Claire outside - that was a stupid risk, from the Others' perspective. He'd clearly developed an affinity for her, which she, in her drugged state, returned sunnily.)

They're also not a collection of spooky old fishermen and scruffy castaways. Nope, those Scooby-Doo beards conceal well-shorn, well-equipped lab-coat types, with the best technology 1975 dollars can buy. As Zeke (the gruff-voiced Other last seen in fake whiskers) indicated in his argument with Ethan, these Dharma holdouts serve a mysterious Him. And who might Him be, do you wonder? Speculation is
rife: Walt? Industrialist and Dharma founder Alvar Hanso? Fyodor Dostoyevsky?

Yes, we have another literary mystery. Head Hatch librarian Locke has pulled yet another book off the shelf, and it's The Brothers Karamazov, a tale of patricide and fraternal rivalry. (Gale requested Stephen King:
Intertextual theorists, start your engines.) There is, perhaps, no better way to introduce the final stage of the Jack-Locke showdown - except, golly, does anyone really buy that Locke would be so easily manipulated by Gale? All the battered Gale has to do is tease Locke crudely about his second-banana status to Dr. Jack, and our favorite uni-kidneyed boar hunter throws a tantrum. Let's briefly review what made Locke such a fantastic character in season 1: He marched to the beat of his own drummer. He didn't want to be king of the island; he wanted to be its friend. He thought he had a rapport with the ineffable.
To bring him down to a king-of-the-Hatch battle with Jack seems an awful waste. A schoolyard tussle seems beneath Locke. What happened to his mysticism? He's in a father-son struggle with God, not a brother-against-brother one with Jack. In the writers' haste to pit science against religion (and thus, Jack against Locke), they may have written their best character into a corner.

But that's neither here nor there. Let's celebrate what we've got, which is a glorious return to the elements that made Lost great from minute
one: sharp, spare dialogue, (mostly) excellent character work, and genuine dread. (Between Ethan's creepy smile, Dharma keychain, rotating retro shirts, and big squirty amnio needle, I was certainly
goose-pimpled.) Things have been too damned comfortable on the island lately, and crazy Charlie just isn't enough to stir the pot all by himself. We're now returning to the archetypal fears that animated the show in the first season, and the continued visibility of Libby (who I'm absolutely convinced is an Other) promises even more intrigue. She and Henry Gale are both clearly on an infiltration and subversion mission, putting worms in the mental apples of our castaways.

Oh, and there's also the matter of the ''infection.'' Desmond took most but not all of the supposed vaccine. But is the vaccine the cure - or the disease itself? Do the Others want the baby ''sick,'' so it's like them? Do they share some communal malady? And the biggest question: What if they switched the kids...and Claire's raising Baby Bob? We'll know when it starts croaking its craving for Quiznos in a 40-year-old baritone. Stay tuned.
Hootie
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Ecko was on the list of 'good' people, until he killed two of the others. He wanted to make sure the others knew he was sorry.


Actually, they tried to take Eko with the first group which was to take out all of the strong people or threats. The second group they took was the "good" group with the kids.
atealot
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I'm not so sure the canteen had a psychologic drug in it. I think it was most likely a labor induction agent he was giving her so she could go ahead and have the baby "naturally". It didn't work so the C-section was planned.
My .02.
Candiru
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How about the canteen had steroids in it to make sure the baby's lungs were mature enough for the impending, and likely, early, delivery?
rjhtamu
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steroids are a possiblity

[This message has been edited by rjhtamu (edited 3/3/2006 10:53p).]
AgShaun00
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I just watched it. Wow. So much stuff, I probably missed it all.
I_bleed_maroon
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Another Dharma logo was on the canteen BTW.
ham98
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March 22? What's with all the delays?
countrytoo
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I'm still confused about Eko cutting off his little braided beard thing. What does that mean?
Hincemm
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somebody help me with the dialogue between zeke and ethan.

did zeke say something to the effect of 'she wasn't on the list (referring to claire)...i thought that it could be a possibility of why claire was let go (and rousseau's daughter letting her escape was just a facade)...can anyone break out that conversation?
HMFIC
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Wikipedia as an interesting read on LOST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV%29

Goes a long ways in enhancing the story line.

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Kellen Heard-Fightin' Texas Aggie

....was recognized in the September 2004 issue of "Out Magazine" when the University of Texas at Austin was named the best place in the nation for gay men to find a husband.



"ttu is like Denny's....no one ever plans on going... that's just where they end up.
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Joan Wilder
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Hince, I got the impression Zeke was angry at Ethan because he'd kidnapped both Claire and Charlie, hanged Charlie, and beat the crap out of Jack when all he was supposed to do was nab Claire. I could be wrong though.
Hong Kong Paul
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I wonder if that "Bad Twin" book will be any good?
AgShaun00
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i think the two things that eko cut off his beard is for the two people he killed.
 
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