This is what I am saying. You want a new movie with no ties to the past, fine. Set it 200 years in the future from TLJ and let's go.Dr. Teeth said:I'm good either way. Or both.StrongbadAg said:
They don't get that (for me personally and I think alot of others) - I want a gritty Batman Begins / Dark Knight / Die Hard style of Star Wars... Not a Guardians of the Galaxy / Age of Ultron: Civil Dysfunction / Prequals type of Star Wars...
I would actually like a Jedi/Bond-type spy movie set on Canto Bight. A Master and Commander style naval battle with Star Destroyers? Hell yes. A Indiana Jones style movie with a group of young force users searching for the lost artifacts of ancient Jedi? Sign me up.
Just don't **** with the original mythology or characters. If you're going to put Luke Skywalker in your movie, don't make him a murderous cowardly ***hole, because he sure as hell wasn't that before. Don't make Admiral ****ing Ackbar cannon fodder and introduce a new admiral we have never seen or heard of before to play the heroic ship commander martyr. No Yondu Mary Poppins y'all Leia.
You want to create your own characters and story, fine. Create a new setting for it. You play with the legends, ****ing do it respectfully. Abrams did, and with all it's flaws, TFA was a pretty good Star Wars movie. Watching it the first time in theaters, I felt like I was 10 years old again. With this one, halfway in I just wanted it to be over.
You want to draw in all us middle aged folks who grew up wanting to be Han Solo and Luke Skywalker? Then you better sure as hell treat those characters with some love and respect and not just as a hook and a foil to make cheap sales and hype up your new action figures.
They killed of Han in TFA and I think everyone went along with it because it was obvious that Abrams respected the fans and the history (maybe too much) and it was in furtherance of the plot (to make Kylo more evil and unlikeable).
What point did Luke's death serve other than to get him out of the way so the new characters can take main stage? It just felt so gawd damn forced. Yeah, Obi Wan faded away into nothing willingly, but the thought there was always that he knew he could not defeat Vader and he would eventually be killed anyways. Yoda faded away after living for hundreds of years and becoming so old and tired he could barely move.
Luke? I still don't understand what happened to Luke. Did he voluntarily go? Was he going to die because he used too much force (not something we've seen before now, so can of hard to assume that this is why). Or did he just say, you know, these rebels, and my twin sister especially, need somebody like me more than ever right now. But, nah, peace out.
So, I'm just sitting here like, why even have Luke in this film? The only reason is to drum up excitement from people who love the OT. Okay, so you put him in this film to get me to spend my money on this film. Fine, but you damn sure better not **** on me after I pay you to show me your movie.
And what pisses everyone off is that it just feels like it was done in such a contemptuous and mean-spirited manner. With an utter disregard of the core star wars fans.
I mean, who the **** is Rian Johnson? Why the **** does he get to decide to rape people's childhood?
There are some good points to this movie. But the reason people will hate this movie is because of how they treated the fans. That's what it boils down to.
All that being said, this movie will be re-evaluated in the context of the trilogy after the third movie is released. There is a chance that Abrams can do some things that will make people not as mad at the decision they made in this one. But if he doesn't, then this will be a hated movie. And it will be more and more hated as time passes and people move past feeling like they should like it because the movie critics liked it.
